Posted - 7/20/2012 12:42:25 PM | show profile | flag this post
in horrific Colorado shooting.
Why is it the first thing that apparently went through the mind of ABC News' Brian Ross was a conecton between the Aurora, CO, theater shooter and the tea party?
This is unjustified political scapegoating of the highest order and Ross should be severely disciplined...perhaps even fired...for his absence of impartiality.
And ABC should publicly apologize for this attempt at a "scoop" by demeaning the reputation of conservatives whose only intent is the betterment of society.
Posted - 7/20/2012 2:20:38 PM | show profile | flag this post
Here ya go:
Posted - 7/20/2012 2:23:54 PM | show profile | flag this post
You could have found it yourself. But no -- you had to waste other people's time.
|bitter gun owner clinging to my religion||
Posted - 7/20/2012 2:37:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
Just like the liberal media. They did the same with the tucson shooting.
Another reason why America has lost faith in the media.
Posted - 7/20/2012 3:24:26 PM | show profile | flag this post
This is a deeper problem, to me, then the media making a mistake and then apologizing.
This is not some rookie reporter learning the ropes in Podunk. This is BRIAN ROSS, a top-notch, highly honored, veteran, network correspondent. Until today, it would seem incomprehensible to me for Brian Ross to make a rookie mistake.
Sure, we all make mistakes. But in this case it was a pointless comment to begin with. Cruiser wondered why Ross even thought about a political connection. So do I. Would you say "the shooter, believed to be a democrat, or republican..." when a) there was no reason to believe that politics played any role in the story and b) you didn't know the truth? What journalist here would do that? It's almost akin to saying "the shooter, a black man..." when race played no part in the story. It's just wrong.
I have a lot of respect for Brian Ross. He's a great investigator. When asked, he's one of the people I point to as a solid journalist. Today, I just keep asking myself, "What the hell was he thinking?"
Posted - 7/20/2012 4:14:38 PM | show profile | flag this post
It's not strange at all....
This is the left wing media printing propaganda to fit THEIR agenda.
It's nothing new.
Posted - 7/20/2012 4:14:38 PM | show profile | flag this post
stop.. i think you know as well as i do..
that, this year, in this climate, there is absolutely NOTHING that is NOT political in one way or another..
most of it has no real business BEING politicized..but it will be, because we've lost all ability to discern what should and shouldn't be..
zimmerman-martin being a prime exemplar of the species..what was a simple crime story, of whatever stripe, is now a national political story..
and it aint' the only one..
you'd think grownups would know better..but i'm not sure how many grownups are involved here..
Posted - 7/20/2012 4:52:51 PM | show profile | flag this post
It was another sensless tragedy
We should focus on that.
I thought bot the president and Romneys statements were appropriate and dignified.
Asd for brian Ross, I too was dissapointed. Of course, both and and the network have both apologized for the horrible jumping to conclusions.
But...please...spare me the outrage. "Just like the liberal media' and "This is the left wing media printing propaganda to fit THEIR agenda."
Yea. Right. Fox News have never ever distorted anything. And as ridiculous as the TeaParty angle was, the wingnut blogosphere has been burning up all day that the shooter was a member of the Occupy Movement. So this crap cuts both ways.
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. (Most definitely not with swill like "unjustified political scapegoating")
Posted - 7/20/2012 4:59:11 PM | show profile | flag this post
I too wonder why a seasoned reporter like Brian Ross would bring up the tea party connection when it hadn't been confirmed. Putting it out on the air immediately turns the story in a different direction. At least he noted, almost within the same sentence, that the shooter may not be the same guy as the one on the tea party site he was referencing. Still, he shouldn't have made the connection on the air in the first place.
I for one see a political bias by news people in general. Of course many disagree with me. However, when things like this happen, it reaffirms my belief.
Posted - 7/20/2012 5:02:01 PM | show profile | flag this post
"But no -- you had to waste other people's time"
Here's another left wing fool who seems to feel entitled to post "one last holier-than-thou, pseudo self-righteous dig"...thus keeping the level of invective on this board at a max.
But...unlike her left wing compatriots, who seem to do it reflexively...I think grateful dud does it deliberately.
Posted - 7/20/2012 5:12:00 PM | show profile | flag this post
It really saddens - and angers - me.
I had the same response to the Martin/Zimmerman story, though you could make the case for reporting a racial element there, simply because that is how some of the public responded to it. We have to acknowledge the public response. It would be great if reporters balanced it with those who don't see it as a racial crime.
Once the president spoke of it, that was it. It was going to be a national story. Just once I'd like to see any POTUS respond by saying "that is a tragic case. It is also a local case. It will be up to the people in that jurisdiction to decide the outcome." Bush the 2nd may have done that once, but i can't recall the story.
It's just so important for all of us to remember that if you don't know whether race or political affiliation is involved, then don't mention it. At this point, I'd rather be last and be accurate.
But back to Brian, that just floors me. I doubt that you would ever do anything like that. I really do like Brian, as you can tell. If he was pushed into reporting it by an Exec. Producer, I hope he put his prior objections in a memo. But that's all speculative as well. These instances of sloppy journalism just add to our ever-sinking credibility.
Posted - 7/20/2012 5:16:36 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Fox News have never ever distorted anything"
Rather than stick to the topic, left wingers frequently....and I mean REALLY frequently...try to find something they consider morally equivalent with which to alibi the president, the media, etc., when justifiable criticism is leveled at something or someone that identifies with their point of view.
The time to discuss so-called "distortion" on the part of Fox News is when you think it has occurred, NOT when you're using it to try to justify the conduct of a left-leaning media outlet.
Posted - 7/20/2012 5:19:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
Zimmerman was following Martin SPECIFICALLY because he was black. He called 911 BECAUSE Martin was black.
That makes it a racial crime.
I live in FL and have been following the story since DAY 1. Only AFTER the story went MSM, did reporters try to downplay the racial element, specifically the predictable networks, crying out about reverse racism.
I understand exactly what you are saying, but the Zimmerman/Martin case is a piss poor example to support your opinion.
Posted - 7/20/2012 5:41:14 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Once the president spoke of it, that was it. It was going to be a national story."
Like it wasn't before? No one is condemning either Obama nor Romney for their comments today. What? You can't express sympathy for the family when it's only one victim, but if it's a few dozen, that's acceptable?
(Note to cruize: We have already pointed out that the Network AND Ross have said they were in error. Twice. And if you paid any attention at all you would notice I was responding to the comments "Just like the liberal media' and "This is the left wing media printing propaganda to fit THEIR agenda." which I thought I was "distortion" at its worst)
Posted - 7/20/2012 7:30:05 PM | show profile | flag this post
Where in the 911 tapes that were played repeatedly for weeks, does Zimmerman say that he is following Martin because he is black? Where? Where is it? (Except in the doctored MSNBC version that was brought to light.)
"You can't express sympathy for the family when it's only one victim, but if it's a few dozen, that's acceptable?"
mp, after all these years, why are you asking me questions which you know are stupid?? You know darn well my friend that those two incidents are VERY different. And I know that you understand the nuance. There's a big difference between the POTUS speaking about a public massacre and the POTUS getting involved (speaking about) a killing involving two people which occurred more than a week earlier and had inflamed racial tensions. Not to mention that Pres. Obama fueled the flames further with his "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," remark. Please, don't tell me to take his words at face value. "Well stopbs, if the president had a son he WOULD look like Trayvon." A remark like that evokes sympathy for ONE side. That is not the President's place. Haven't heard the President speaking about any individual white or hispanic kids killed lately, have you? Nor should he be. My point being that the POTUS should stay out of local crimes altogether especially when there are two sides to the story.
Plus, Pres. Obama's remarks were especially ill-placed now that the forensic evidence (reported so far) shows Zimmerman's scalp lacerations and broken nose and Martin's bruised knuckles - (NOT MEANING THAT HE DESERVED TO DIE) - meaning that he (Martin) no longer appears to be the innocent kid which he appeared to be when we only knew three or four FACTS. Amazing what a difference actual facts make. "Oh, he was trying to kill you, you say? You have head lacerations and a broken nose? Well now, lets take a second look. Oh, we already labeled you a racist. Sorry about that"
To be honest, I don't know, I can't know and I don't pretend to know who is right or wrong here. I just think that it's time for the media to stop reporting "what might be true."
Yes, there are crimes which happen locally but touch the nation and which rise to the level of presidential response. You know what they are and I know what they are. The Colorado theatre shooting deserves a national response. There is no other side to the story! No one is saying "Oh that poor gunman. Who can blame him?" Zimmerman/Martin - no way. There are too many questions. It's not AT ALL clear cut. The only element of that story which would lead me to run it on national news is the Stand Your Ground Law, which deserves a larger debate.
Posted - 7/20/2012 9:14:14 PM | show profile | flag this post
We are WAAY Off Topic!!
My work here is done.
Posted - 7/20/2012 9:38:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
***I think grateful dud does it deliberately. ***
Ooooh! Big grandpa MENSA man picking a fight with a woman! Ooooh, cruiser's sooooo smart and manly!
Posted - 7/20/2012 10:46:52 PM | show profile | flag this post
actually, he's really neither..
but he thinks he is..and no one can tell him different..
Posted - 7/21/2012 12:26:12 AM | show profile | flag this post
"cruiser's sooooo smart and manly"
She just never quits. Always tries to have the last word..(and a real smart ass at that). But I won't let her.
Posted - 7/21/2012 12:59:30 AM | show profile | flag this post
Cruzo get the last word - ALWAYS....
....doesn't make it the right (no pun) word, but is it is the last word.
Just watch and see, in every thread...from now til we're all dead. Cruzo gets the last word. It's his lifeblood. You cannot deny him. He will insist and stomp his foot, hissing and quacking all the day long - and still he WILL have the last word.
Go forth and be free to flee ~
and now from Cruzo himself: "
Posted - 7/21/2012 2:22:06 AM | show profile | flag this post
"he WILL have the last word"
As long as you are trying to get in one last insult, one last zinger, etc., you're damn right I will. When you people get civil I'll think about a different tack.
Posted - 7/21/2012 2:24:01 AM | show profile | flag this post
And I Won't Let You Have the Last Word
I cruiser take this tragedy and turn it into a personal rant.
I cruiser, have no regard for life, only my selfish, self centered politics.
Ideology over all, even blood and death. I have no real experience with people, so why should I care?
That's the cruiser way.
You lefties just don't get it.
Posted - 7/21/2012 4:49:52 AM | show profile | flag this post
and now from Cruzo himself:
"you're damn right I will. "
Uh, actually, I'm left, but thanks anyway.
Appreciate you you taking the fall.
I know you will. See above.
Know anything about fiddles Cruzo?
Posted - 7/21/2012 12:12:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
Just can't bring yourself
to start to change the tenor of this board, can you?
|it's just tv folks||
Posted - 7/21/2012 12:59:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
As much fun as this thread is,
bashing a Peabody, DuPont, Murrow, Emmy Award winning journalist (I'm not defending his/ABC's rush to air with unverified information), it is not dealing with the big issue of this horrific event.
This is not the last mass murder, by an unstable nut with an arsenal of weapons, that will ever happen. There will be more. We have a long list of similar tragedies. I'm not sure there is even a list of legislation to prevent such crimes. Oh, and let's not forget the assault weapon ban was allowed to expire! And gosh darn if that didn't make one of the murder's guns that would have been illegal under the ban now legal! According to officials, all his guns and all his thousands of rounds of ammunition were legal!
There will be no common sense limits set. There will be no attempt to prevent crazy unstable people from buying as many guns and bullets as they want. No, legislation won't stop every idiot from murdering someone, but how many people may have survived if the assault weapons ban were still in effect? How many people would still be alive if there was a limit to the number of bullets in a clip? Prayer is a good way to bring people together and help the healing process. But, good people need to actually DO something prevent future tragedies.