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| cruiser |
Posted - 6/11/2012 3:05:47 PM | show profile | flag this post
for stonewalling a House subpoena seeking documents pertaining to the Justice Departmwnt's failed Operation Fast and Furious...the one in which hundreds of firearms were permitted by federal agents to be transported and/or resold to Mexican drug cartels. One of those guns was used in the murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry in December of 2010. Holder has been refusing to cooperate with the congressional investigation.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57450110-503544/house-committee-schedules-contempt-vote-against-holder/?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea
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| SPC |
Posted - 6/11/2012 5:47:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
But cruiser. Cruiser!!! This is racism!!!!!! Repugs are just doing this because Holder is black!!!!!! Is what the left will be screaming.
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| orthicon |
Posted - 6/11/2012 7:03:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
frankly, i don't blame holder here..
he's trying to protect himself, AND the jusrtice department, from being crucified by issa's committee..
he knows the committee report is already written.. it will say what issa wants it to say, and nothing else..'
those of us who have covered him over the years know what darrell issa is..a megalomaniac who simply bulldozes people into doing what he wants them to do..one of the most vindictive people i've ever seen, and i've seen a bunch of them over the years..
he's already decided the result, and no one will be allowed to question it in any way..
we here in southern california have ssen this ever since he entered elective politics..comes as no surprise to us..
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| cruiser |
Posted - 6/11/2012 7:07:30 PM | show profile | flag this post
The point is
Holder is stonewalling the committee and refusing to honor the subpoena. All of your diatribe is non-pertinent.
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 6/11/2012 9:28:56 PM | show profile | flag this post
This has been going on
for 15 months now. (from the piece you cited) "The Justice Department has maintained it has cooperated fully with the congressional investigation, turning over tens of thousands of documents and having Holder testify to Congress on the topic at least eight times.
However, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., says the Justice Department has refused to turn over tens of thousands of pages of documents."
Back and forth back and forth. Of course it's politics. I don't remember a Bush AG tetifying eight times about anything. We'll have to wait to see on June 20th if this goes anywhere further. I doubt it.
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| SPC |
Posted - 6/11/2012 9:54:43 PM | show profile | flag this post
Holder is stonewalling and covering up. Holder has lied.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 6/11/2012 10:14:13 PM | show profile | flag this post
People whose veracity I have no reason to doubt
have stated unequivocally that emails of which they're aware prove conclusively that Holder and Lanny Breuer both knew some of the intimate details of guns "walking" to Mexico.
Holder is covering his ass. He should be fired but would Obama do that? Not likely...and if Repbulicans push for it they'll no doubt be labeled as racists.
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 6/12/2012 8:32:20 AM | show profile | flag this post
Issa's own actions...
has shown he's pretty much nuts at times.
He got ALL the DOJ papers, but it didn't have a "smoking gun" -- which was a key part of Issa's wishful thinking.
Issa is demanding a piece of paper that just doesn't exist.
A contempt of Congress citation means nothing in the big picture. It's just "inside baseball," a symbolic gesture the majority party in Congress can use in a pissing match between the Legislative and Executive branches.
Karl Rove, Harriet Miers and Josh Bolten were all held in contempt in the last administration. No big impacts on their careers.
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| thesecondcoming |
Posted - 6/12/2012 1:52:01 PM | show profile | flag this post
I disagree with the "scalding water" scenario
Nothing will happen to Holder.
I fully agree that Holder is stonewalling and it's a huge scandal. But nothing will happen to Holder because the posts from the left on this board will be the stories written.
The media will report that Issa is nuts, he already has the report written, it's a witch hunt, it's politics of personal destruction....etc.........
Democrats rarely get removed from their position due to scandal. They only step away when lying goes against the actual proven pictures. There are no pictures to prove Holder did anything wrong.
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| orthicon |
Posted - 6/12/2012 2:54:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
second..let me repeat this...
those of us who have covered him from the political git-go KNOW he's nuts..
he is perhaps the most ruthless politician.. and person.. i can ever remember covering.. and in 42 years, i covered a LOT of them..
facts mean nothing to him if they don't agree with his preconceived notion of what the truth ought to be..as i said, the committee report is already written..it was before he even started this business..
are there questions to be answered? hell, yes, there are..but we will never know what those questions are, or what those answers are if they don't fit in with issa's idea of what the truth is..
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| cruiser |
Posted - 6/12/2012 4:38:07 PM | show profile | flag this post
"don't fit in with issa's idea of what the truth is"
Oh! You mean the way the left regarded George W Bush? With preconceived notions of his intelligence, personal discipline, etc.?
Note that I'm not bringing up Bush to alibi Issa but as a demonstrative of the hypocrisy of the left.
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| orthicon |
Posted - 6/12/2012 5:11:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
pardon me, sir..but...
no one was speaking to you..
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 6/12/2012 9:45:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
orthicon's being kind.
Issa isn't just known as "nuts". Unbalanced and bat-shit crazy are common descriptions.
The guy who brought you the Hearings on Contraception--without WOMEN?--that was him.
The guy who called Obama one of the most corrupt presidents in modern times on Rush Limbaughs show.
The guy who said when he got the Oversight Committee job said " I want seven hearings a week times 40 weeks, . Yea. That's productive.
He also has an Office of Congressional Ethics complaint filed against hinm over "alleged that Issa used his position of authority on the Oversight Committee to improperly intervene in dealings with Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch and DEI Holdings, all of which Issa is associated with in some way." But that won't go anywhere.
But this one is truly ironic...after all the talk here (and elsewhere) that the Wisconsin Recall was a waste of time, money, and effort, not to mention "the voters voted for him, they shuold wait until his term is up..." Guess who was behind the successful Governor Recall?? Yep. Issa "is best known here in California for having spent more than $1.6 million of his own money for the petition-signature-gathering effort for Californias 2003 gubernatorial recall election (the election that put Arnold Schwarzenegger in charge of the show).
Like I said, we have to wait and see if he's stupid enough to find Holder in contempt...but even if he does, so what. Except that maybe, just maybe, we'll see Congress' Approval Rating go from 16 to 15.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 6/12/2012 11:12:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
Your view from Pittsburgh is cloudy and obscured
I live in California. Gray Davis HAD to go. Arnie turned out to be...ahh, let's say not the savior Repubicans hoped...but even he was better than Davis.
But I digress. Holder IS and HAS BEEN in contempt. He's had more than a year to comply with the committee's request and it should not have to come down to a subpoena. He's simply covering his own ass and those of other high-level, high-profile administration figures...possibly even the president.
Remember that Clinton's AG, Janet Reno, was also found to be in contempt of congress.
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 6/13/2012 8:05:29 AM | show profile | flag this post
My view's just fine.
I only brought up Issa and Davis because of the irony. A HUGE argument against the Walker recall was that it was a waste, and unfair to the voters--they voted the guy in only two years ago. This was suverting Democracy donchaknow!! Unless a Repub does it though apparently...
Back to Issa though...of course this is politics pure and simple. The Party in charge of the Investigating Committees always have a field day with the WH. It's always been that way. My favorite was the Repub Comm subpoenaing the WH CofS to read the WH Christmas Card list.
And--"But is was a different matter in 2008, when Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee were trying to find out if the administration of President George W. Bush fired seven U.S. Attorneys for political reasons. (An inspector general later determined that they had.)
In the course of the investigation, Congress subpoenaed former White House Counsel Harriet Miers and then-chief of staff Joshua Bolten. They refused to comply, asserting executive privilege, and the House voted to hold them in contempt. Although there was strong evidence the U.S. Attorneys' dismissals were bogus, Republicans cried foul, accused Democrats of playing politics and stormed out of the House in a boycott of the vote.
Issa was the first one off the floor after then-Minority Leader John Boehner"
So TELL ME how this isn't just politics as usual.
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| thesecondcoming |
Posted - 6/13/2012 12:57:40 PM | show profile | flag this post
Thank you orthicon....
for confirming the "proof" that Issa is nuts. Are there any other members of the house that you can prove are nuts?
Republican's need to be wary about the trap the dems and Obama are setting up to deflect attention away from the Obama record, to other issues.
Based on Holder's testimony, he is ready for a political fight. Perfect timing. An election is on the horizon. With orthicon's "proof" of Issa's nuttiness, can you add two plus two to see the Obama re-election strategy?
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 6/13/2012 1:01:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yes, Janet Reno was held in contempt of Congress...
and completed 8 years on the job.
But then, too, Harrie Miers and Karl Rove were both held in contempt of Congress -- as I pointed out above.
It is merely a symbolic gesture.
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