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Posted - 7/25/2013 11:54:52 AM | show profile | flag this post
media disregard, Nancy Pelosi is trying to inject herself back into the public consciousness. She is launching a Democrat "conversation" on "race and justice" in the wake of the George Zimmerman acquittal.
This is nothing more than wholly unwarranted pandering to a particular segment of the Democrat constituency. It is based on a false and unproven prenise and will serve no purpose whatever except to continue to divide the American public along racial lines.
But it will put Pelosi once again in the media's eye.
Posted - 7/25/2013 12:22:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
considering democrat supporters are committing racial violence- in the name of st. trayvon- pelosi stepping up to calm the left's racist base is needed.
hopes pelosi will continue her botox injections. wouldn't want her to hurt the media's eye.
Posted - 7/25/2013 12:42:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
You actually did that
without your brain seizing up like an old Yugo without any oil?
"...nothing more than wholly unwarranted pandering to a particular segment..." "...based on a false and unproven prenise and will serve no purpose whatever..."
Man, if that doesn't describe everything Issa has been up to for months, not to mention 40 votes to repeal ObamaCare...
Posted - 7/25/2013 12:42:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
of course, we should never compare this to..
"the wholly unwarranted pandering to a particular segment of the republican constituency" as currently practiced by steve king, louie gohmert, Michele Bachmann, mike lee, Jason chaffetz, and god only knows how many of the tea party right..
that would be.. unfair, right?...
Posted - 7/25/2013 1:14:53 PM | show profile | flag this post
I love it then they talk about "conversations" and "national dialogues."
When and where are we meeting to talk?
Should I bring a casserole?
Maybe a dessert, I make killer brownies.
Maybe I should wait for an invitation.
What will be the OUTCOME OF SUCH A DISCUSSION?
There won't be any -- outcome or discussion.
ALL politicians (red/blue/green/alien/anarchist/et al) use the "national dialogue" and "conversation" approach to, well, do nothing.
It's a distraction that "looks" like something important is going on. It's not. Except other important issues are being ignored, while the media and the public discusses what could/should be discussed at the "discussion."
Remember the math worksheets we had to do in third grade? Busy work. That's all.
All politicians use the tactic.
Posted - 7/25/2013 1:52:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** What will be the OUTCOME OF SUCH A DISCUSSION? ***
The outcome could be a better national understanding of:
-- how the judicial system works.
-- how trials work.
-- the commonalities among all people.
Useless, pandering stuff like that.
Posted - 7/25/2013 3:41:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
Cruzo and con...
are made uncomfortable by such conversations.
But the only people who SHOULD be uncomfortable by such a national conversation would be racists.
So, are you two finally admitting something to us?
Posted - 7/25/2013 4:43:39 PM | show profile | flag this post
people with blinders on...
Again, if you don't agree 100% with those who had the preconceived notion that race played a role in this case, you're called a racist.
And you people are in the news business. Guess it's news as you see it.
Posted - 7/25/2013 4:46:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
It's still a worthy conversation
(Note: NOT the hypocritical hateful crap cruise started this with, or con and his classy 'botox injections' remark; but the idea of a 'conversation')
beenthere? Don't be so cynical. (Though I loved your "Should I bring a casserole?") In theory, "conversations" and "national dialogues." are never a 'bad' thing per se. They have managed to bring about small things like the American Revolution, the Civil War, Womens Vote, Civil Rights and anti-war protests etc etc.
AND, you're in good company. The president said pretty much the same thing. "You know, there has been talk about should we convene a conversation on race. I haven’t seen that be particularly productive when politicians try to organize conversations. They end up being stilted and politicized, and folks are locked into the positions they already have."
Now, granted, the locked in positions he was talking about were to be expected anyway. The RightWingers on Fox friggin flipped out:
Accusing the president of being a “Racist in Chief” who is “trying to tear our country apart.” Wow. KenyanCommieMarxist just wasn't doin it for ya?
I would submit Grateful that while we agree that a national conversation is worthwhile (The outcome could be a better national understanding), having it in the form of Congressional Hearings is not the way to go about it. We've had it up to here with Issa and his hearings, and the monumental wastes of time and money under Boehner and Cantor trying to repeal this, and trying to block that...
I can list a dozen things TV covers every year on a national scale, maybe a round-table like this could be one of them. Takes it out of the "wasting taxpeyers money" arena. Just a thought.
Posted - 7/25/2013 7:00:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Conversations" don't solve anything
and the reason for that is congress doesn't WANT to solve anything. They just want it to remain status quo because they've carefully structured their political approach for the status quo. So they conduct these "conversations" to make it appear as though they're doing something.
And a public forum like television won't solve anything because the "aggrieved" groups will do nothing but posture for their constituencies and won't agree to anything that involves effort or attitude changes.
What needs to happen is stiffer regulations and more aggressive enforcement. And spokesmen for the "aggrieved" groups need to speak back to their constituencies and challenge them to get on board with the necessary behavioral and attitudinal changes.
The world doesn't "owe" them anything but opportunity...the opportunity to maintain a stable family situation, the opportunity to educate themselves, the opporunity to apply themselves and the opportunity to succeed. But the onus is on each individual...there are no guarantees.
Posted - 7/25/2013 7:12:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
Without action, these "dialogues" accomplish nothing, except making it seem like politicians actually care. Politicians care about lobbyist money, nothing more.
Two questions were posed on another website I visit that really stopped me in my tracks with their simplistic brilliance:
1. When was the last time ANY bill was passed that did not contain a rider that benefitted a specific industry/corporation financially?
2. When was the last time any bill was passed that ONLY benefitted the PUBLIC?
Posted - 7/25/2013 7:37:16 PM | show profile | flag this post
people with blinders on...
start threads like this one.
Posted - 7/25/2013 7:45:25 PM | show profile | flag this post
stiffer regulations and enforcement..
maybe i'm beginning to see where cruiztwit might be getting his paychecks for writing this stuff..
the Nazis..it would fit..
Posted - 7/25/2013 7:49:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
beenthere , spot on mate.....
"I would submit Grateful that while we agree that a national conversation is worthwhile"
when the left talks about having a national conversation on race they mean having a conversation in which everyone agrees with them. if you don't agree with the left's view on race, you will be called racist, nazi, and compared to the kkk. ( see the naacp, msnbc for examples.)
so how can we conversant when the left is intolerant of other view points?
"Accusing the president of being a “Racist in Chief” who is “trying to tear our country apart.” Wow."
why wow? we haven't been this divided since the civil war.
whatever happen to lowering the seas and healing the earth?
Posted - 7/25/2013 7:52:32 PM | show profile | flag this post
case in point.......
thanks orthicon and etaoin shrdlu......
Posted - 7/25/2013 8:33:31 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yeah but con
Halliburton? it's 2013!
Whose the president?!
Posted - 7/25/2013 10:16:53 PM | show profile | flag this post
I would submit Grateful that while we agree that a national conversation is worthwhile (The outcome could be a better national understanding), having it in the form of Congressional Hearings is not the way to go about it. ***
Agreed, mp. I am thinking more along the lines of the grass-roots roundtables that were held during the early part of the last presidential election campaign. The Republican Party didn't seem to be interested in the ideas that came out of them, but the Democratic Party incorporated some of them into its campaign.
The national conversation on race and ethnicity has begun. It is sure to continue, too, as the majority becomes the minority.
The national conversation on race/ethnicity and justice has yet to begin. To start that conversation intelligently would require first educating the general population that a "not guilty" verdict does not mean "innocent" and that "beyond a reasonable doubt" does not mean an absence of doubt. It's easy for you and me and the other news people here to understand the legal strategies of criminal cases because we've covered lots of them; but other people are very childlike and childish due to lack of exposure except for the fiction they've seen in movies and on TV shows. If only it were all like "My Cousin Vinny."
Posted - 7/25/2013 10:33:51 PM | show profile | flag this post
(derisively) "stiffer regulations and enforcement.."
Yeah, exactly. The wild west was not tamed until the era of the fast-drawing, shoot-first-and-ask-questions-later sheriff. Maybe they planted a few unjustly but it sure reined in the gunslingers...and all of society was better off for it.
Liberal permissiveness has got to go the way of the gunslinger.
Posted - 7/26/2013 12:42:45 AM | show profile | flag this post
well..we know why you write what you do..
maybe you'll get paid a bonus this week..
Posted - 7/26/2013 10:23:30 AM | show profile | flag this post
no understanding of history.
It wasn't "shoot first and ask questions later" lawmen who tamed the wild west -- they were part of the problem.
It was the establishment of tougher regulations -- the rule of law -- that tamed the lawless.
It required lawmen, operating under the rules and regulations set by the governments they served, to follow the law.
Posted - 7/26/2013 10:50:31 AM | show profile | flag this post
Another telling insight
into cruisers "brain full of spiders".
Creeping civilization (the railroads, US Army, settlers, government etc) tamed the West...not the "shoot-first-and-ask-questions-later sheriff".
"Maybe they planted a few unjustly but it sure..." That sounded like every death penalty advocate I ever argued with. ('Well, okay, we may have executed a few innocent people, but it sure scares the hell out of people...')
Posted - 7/26/2013 1:49:48 PM | show profile | flag this post
"go the way of the gunslinger."
You mean move to Florida, register republican and shoot "them" if they show up with Skittles and ice tea cruiser?
Posted - 7/26/2013 2:25:11 PM | show profile | flag this post
he gets paid extra to use the words paradigm and egregious.
Posted - 7/26/2013 7:40:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
After a long period of irrelevance
cruiser has fallen silent once again.
Where art thou?