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Another GOP engineered fiscal crisis.
Posted - 2/20/2013 2:15:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
What better way to solve critical budget battles than to take vacation as the deadline looms? GOP sequestration, GOP brinkmanship ... Again.
Y'all think the rest of the worlds financial markets don't take notice, and react, negatively, to this irresponsible political strategy?
And Americans wonder why their empire is collapsing.
(yes America is, and has been, an empire since Manifest Destiny, and invading the Phillipines a century ago. And all that entails)
Hope your kids are learning Cantonese and Mandarin. Mine are...
Posted - 2/20/2013 4:58:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
The truth about sequestration
Removing $85 billion from the federal budget would return the US ONLY TO 2011 SPENDING LEVELS. It would NOT wreak major damage on the US economy.
If $85 billion were sequestered each year AND APPLIED TO THE FEDERAL DEBT it would take 196 years to pay it down.
Sequestration was Obama's idea in the first place and he threatened to veto any bill that would overturn it. Now he's campaiging against it and trying to blame it on Republicans.
Posted - 2/20/2013 7:58:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
GOP has to take the blame for sequestration...
When "Cryin' John" Boehner isn't on the golf course, he's trying to sell the idea that President Obama is to blame for sequestration.
But it turns out there's a smoking gun that plants it squarely on the laps of Republicans.
Kinda like the "47%" video, there's a Powerpoint that points squarely to the GOP for concocting sequestration.
Because of the Republican Party's little hissy fit, two aircraft carriers are idled, along with a guided missile cruiser. Government workers, from CYBERCOM techs trying to block Chinese hacking to Border Patrol Agents are facing a 40% pay cut. Sequestration threatens to throw the county into another recession -- the TEA Party Recession -- all to prove that Ayn Rand was a great fantasy writer.
Posted - 2/20/2013 8:13:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
Blaming the GOP?!
Clearly sequester was Obama's idea, even of there is NO evidence that it was.
There is no evidence that global cooling is a reality, or even a possibility, and yet hero cruiser knows that it IS!
When has he been wrong?
Except for the Romney landslide. And the 2012 GOP primaries.
And when he said he wasn't noozvet.
Posted - 2/20/2013 8:52:25 PM | show profile | flag this post
"But it turns out there's a smoking gun that
plants it squarely on the laps of Republicans"
No, there emphatically is NOT. There are several video tapes of Obama declaring that if anyone tried to dilute or delete the sequestration that he...Obama...would veto it. And no less a high-profile Democrat than Montana's Max Baucus admits it was Obama's idea. National Public Radio also says it was Obama's idea. It was proposed by Obama as an element of the resolution of the debt limit tussle.
Now, of course, the American public...whipped up to anger by the left wing media...is mad as hell about sequestration and Obama is backpedalling as fast as he can...trying to blame it on Republicans.
Obama is the Teflon president...on steroids.
Posted - 2/20/2013 9:29:36 PM | show profile | flag this post
I think you're both right.
Which still makes the president look good. Boy that sucks.
Let's say Obama WAS responsible for the Sequester. Good for him. Because it showed that he rose above the petty ass bullshit the GOP was throwing at him (like shutting the government down and DEFAULT) or making a deal that would keep us going. Us, being, you know, America. Thought that was part of his job description.
Libs aren't running from this. (From Lib Michael Tomasky): "the sequester was the Obama administration’s idea. Very well, consider that nugget hereby unwithheld. Let’s grant that this is true. But it’s true only because the Republicans were holding a gun to the administration’s head—and besides, the Republicans immediately voted for it."
"A trip back through the full context of this saga tells the story. The idea of having these deep budget cuts called “sequestration” goes back to the summer of 2011 and the debt-ceiling negotiations. You’ll recall readily enough that it was first time in history that an opposition party had attempted to attach any conditions to increasing the debt limit. You’ll also recall that the Republicans made this intention quite clear from the beginning of 2011"
"So fine, the White House proposed it. It did so only after months of Republicans publicly demanding huge spending cuts and refusing to consider any revenues and acting as if they were prepared to send the nation into default over spending. In other words, this was the administration’s idea in much the way that it’s a parent’s “idea” to pay ransom to a person who has taken his child hostage. There was a gun to the White House’s head, which was the possibility of the country going into default."
(VERY IMPORTANT) "And then, when it was all put into legislation, it was the Republicans who passed the Budget Control Act of 2011 in the House, with 218 of them voting yes. So even if administration officials proposed it, it would have remained just a proposal if those 218 Republicans hadn’t supported it (no House Democrats backed it)"
Posted - 2/20/2013 9:45:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
Part II (Sorry)
SO--Obama proposed it as a way to avoid financial chaos--even if it was against his own party. To me, THAT's what our leaders are supposed to do. Country above party.
Did the GOP object?? Hell no. Remember what Boehner said?? I got 98% what I wanted??
So exactly how do you proudly proclaim you got 98% what you wanted, and a year and a half later claim you got screwed?? And all those (like Paul Ryan on Sunday TV this week) try to claim it's HIS fault when you claimed credit for it a year and a half ago??
So, to sum up, the Sequester WAS the Obama idea to avoid a financial catastrophe. Boehner--and all the other leading Repubs signed on--some taking credit for it--and now the proverbial chickens have come home...Yea...No deal this time?? The Repubs are going to take the fall. But since their approval rating is at 15.6% I don't think they give a damn at this point.
Posted - 2/20/2013 11:00:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
Seriously? After the prez shoots down to Florida for round with Tiger someone actually had the nerve to say boehner needs to get off the golf course? I swear you cannot make this stuff up. You guys are hilarious. You should take your act on the road.
Posted - 2/20/2013 11:25:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
It was a small point, a very very small point. Kind of goes to another ridiculous complaint about presidential vacations.
Boehner spends more time on the links than practically anyone else in power in DC, and he has boasted about it. And I couldn't care less. The WH has posted pics of him and the president golfing together, and you know what?? Watching that?? Wish these guys would do it more often. Looks to me like these guys could get a whole lot more done if they had it their way. Without 'his base' and 'his base' getting in the way.
Posted - 2/21/2013 9:48:31 AM | show profile | flag this post
for all the heat Obama takes for playing golf, Boehner spends FOUR TIMES AS MUCH on the links.
Further, the Constitution requires that all spending bills -- such as ANY bill to replace sequestration -- originate in the House. That's Boehner's responsibility.
Posted - 2/21/2013 10:05:31 AM | show profile | flag this post
"for all the heat Obama takes for playing golf, Boehner spends FOUR TIMES AS MUCH on the links."
if obama wasn't such the hypocrite- his vacation time wouldn't be a issue.
with the left- it is always do as i say not as i do.
Posted - 2/21/2013 10:40:37 AM | show profile | flag this post
Suddenly the left wingers here "remember"
that sequestration WAS Obama's idea.
Do you suppose reminding them of video tape of Obama defending sequestration and several Democrats...along with NPR...admitting it was Obama's idea had anything to do with their sudden memory refreshment? Naw, it couldn't have...could it?
And it still makes Obama look good??? Talk about lipstick on a pig.
Posted - 2/21/2013 10:40:41 AM | show profile | flag this post
What is so funny
Is how I can predict almost to the word what each of you will write here. Why not save time and just write "GOP bad, democrats good, Obama great" and then just copy that every time? It could be a great time saver for you.
On a serious note, can anyone name a single time that playing golf interfered with either the President or the Speaker of the House doing their job? Don't bother, you can't.
Posted - 2/21/2013 12:56:13 PM | show profile | flag this post
I agree... so predictable. in fact, I can almost always tell
who started a new thread just by the headline.
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Posted - 2/21/2013 2:13:41 PM | show profile | flag this post
Why are you calling Sarah Palin a pig?
Posted - 2/21/2013 2:38:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
Keep prattling on, cruzo..
about "that video" and "them NPR reporters" without linking to either.
And keep ignoring the link I provided showing that Boehner was the architect of sequestration long before Obama was brought into it as part of his negotiations with Boehner.
But the fact is, the GOP wanted this and they still want it. Obama is fighting for a centrist solution -- but the GOP simply wants to win a fight -- no matter what it does to the U.S. or our economy.
Posted - 2/21/2013 3:15:40 PM | show profile | flag this post
Of course it is predictable.
What good has the GOP done in the past 20 years?
Launch impeachment against a successful bipartisan president on personal smears, innuendo, and torqued spin?
Decide a democratic election by partisan courts?
Ignore specific warnings of terrorist attacks against America?
Invade a nation, and spend trillions of dollar, and soldiers lives, on the basis of manufactured intel?
Destroy America's international reputation and goodwill?
Rip up the law of warrants?
Lead America into its worst economic state since the Great Depression?
Increase debts and deficits to record levels all the while declining real income and the standard of living of middle class and working Americans?
gut public education, attack teachers, attack science ?
I'd love to hear how the GOP has made America better.
Seriously. Name something.
(OK, if you're a billionaire or millionaire, it's a golden age...)
Posted - 2/21/2013 3:29:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
"But the fact is..."
The facts are just as I described them and you know it...your obligatory partisan bullsh*t notwithstanding.
Since I don't have either the time or the inclination to sit on this forum 24/7 like you do, you can ALWAYS have the last word.
But that won't EVER make you right.
Posted - 2/21/2013 9:51:02 PM | show profile | flag this post
cruiser writes: "Since I don't have either the time or the inclination to sit on this forum 24/7 like you do" ROTFL
Posted - 2/21/2013 11:53:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
It would be nice
if you left wingers would put on your honesty caps and find something pertinent to add to these topics...and I wouldn't even mind if it's from your far left wing point of view so long as it's civil.
Don't you get tired of being crotchety, mean-spirited old human derelicts?
Posted - 2/22/2013 9:44:15 AM | show profile | flag this post
Just remember this quote about the sequester:
" I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy." -- House Speaker John Boehner.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/174925-boehner-i-got-98-percent-of-what-i-wanted-in-debt-deal#ixzz2LdRW9pwx
Oh, and remember how sequester has been a huge part of the GOP budget plan from the far right wing for years.
Here's Rep Paul Ryan pushing for it over seven years:
Posted - 2/22/2013 10:49:01 AM | show profile | flag this post
"remember how sequester has been
a huge part of the GOP budget"
A prototypically specious comment from our far left propagandist.
1.Superficially plausible, but actually wrong: "a specious argument".
2.Misleading in appearance, esp. misleadingly attractive: "a specious appearance of novelty".
"Sequester" is a recent buzzword that refers to a concept advanced by Obama that Democrats now think will bolster their political agenda. It has NOT been any part of the GOP budget.
Real, quantifiable spending cuts have been the GOP's goal along with smaller government and fiscal responsibility...which the Obama administration lacks.
Posted - 2/22/2013 11:20:23 AM | show profile | flag this post
Look up the meaning of "clueless," cruzo. You'll see your picture.
If you'd looked at the link I gave you, you'd have seen Rep. Paul Ryan using the word "sequester" or one of it's forms to explain this very situation in interviews and House floor speeches dating all the way back to 2004.
Here's a napkin.
You have some egg on your face.
Posted - 2/22/2013 1:14:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
Another "painter" with a brush so broad
he could do the entire Pentagon with five strokes.
While sequester may be...or have been...in the vocabulary of one or a tiny handful of Republicans, it has emphatically NOT been in the GOP plan, which is as I described in my previous post.
Sorry, you latest attempt to denigrate Republicans is a dismal failure.
Posted - 2/22/2013 2:25:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
And yet you, cruzo...
can't offer anything to respond to the Boehner PowerPoint presentation outlining the sequester strategy BEFORE Obama was negotiated into it.
You can't offer anything to counter Boehner's bragging about getting "98%" of what he wanted after getting the sequester deal.
You can't offer anything to counter the fact that Paul Ryan -- the engineer of GOP budget policies has been using and promoting the idea of sequester since 2004.
I've given you quotes, video and a link to the smoking gun.
All you've got are empty accusations and TEA Party talking points.
Might be time for you to give this one up and find another conspiracy theory to post about, cruzo.