Anti-Union Vote Costs Southern Jobs

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etaoin shrdlu Posted - 2/20/2014 10:27:05 AM | show profile | flag this post

Rep. Bob Corker (R-TN) and others who pushed to keep the UAW out of a VW plant in Tennessee may have succeeded in keeping German manufacturers from opening any more plants in the south.

There was a lot of outside pressure on last week's union vote, and it failed by around 100 votes.

But it's caused Volkswagen to reconsider any expansion of auto making in Dixie.

German companies, specifically VW, BMW, and Dailmer-Benz build 700,000 cars a year (roughly a quarter as many as the Big Three combined) in the U.S.,1

con Posted - 2/20/2014 11:23:41 AM | show profile | flag this post

key word "may". if it beneficial for vw to open plants in the south, they will. if not, they won't.

big labor is dying. when give a choice, americans are just saying no to big labor.

this was a epic defeat for big labor. no amount of spin and fear mongering will change that.

cruiser Posted - 2/20/2014 12:16:02 PM | show profile | flag this post

etwinkie posts things

that absolutely defy logic...and then tries to "validate" his BS with left wing talking points from HuffPo.

Astute business people DO NOT decline measures that decrease their costs and/or increase their profits.

Just look at Detroit and eastern Michigan to see what results from the UAW. Neither German car makers nor Southern cities/states want that replicated there.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 2/20/2014 1:44:05 PM | show profile | flag this post

And cruzo never reads links...

which, if our casual readers have, will demonstrate how clueless his latest rant sounds.

Remember, VW was quite supportive of the UAW coming into their plant -- because they use a "Works Council" structure in their plants. The meddling by outsiders have caused new problems for VW's global management system and will likely cause other German companies from locating in anti-union states.

cruiser Posted - 2/20/2014 1:58:16 PM | show profile | flag this post

"meddling by outsiders"

is exactly how to describe the UAW. One only need took at the bankrupt and nearly desolate city of Detroit and its environs to see what the union hath wrought upon domestic car makers.

If further proof were needed, Obama's meddling in the early months of his presidency was he dishonestly effort to "save" the auto manufacturers. It was strictly intended to save the UAW and prevent GM and Chrysler...bankrupted by the UAW...from repudiating unconscionable "legacy" retirement and health care policies in banktruptcy courts.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 2/20/2014 2:20:34 PM | show profile | flag this post

To blame Detroit's problems...

on the UAW shows how uninformed you are, cruzo.

The meddlers in the south were Republican politicians who have pretty much killed the German goose which laid the golden eggs.

blackedtaped Posted - 2/20/2014 2:54:25 PM | show profile | flag this post

A question for etaoin...

How many of the auto manufacturing plants in the south are currently unionized?

it's just tv folks Posted - 2/20/2014 3:09:37 PM | show profile | flag this post

dumfkchuck doesn't understand the role of the automakers in the devastation of Detroit. Of course he doesn't understand much of anything. The car companies went for huge profits by making poorly made vehicles cheaply that felt apart in a few years requiring people to buy another car. They thought they found the golden goose and didn't need to work to keep customers happy. Forgien car makers offered well built, solid, more fuel efficient vehicles that lasted longer. Detroit auto makers thought all they had to do was wave the American flag to keep customers flowing in. They thought wrong. Their arrogance threw their companies into financial turmoil.

it's just tv folks Posted - 2/20/2014 3:10:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

blackedtaped doesn't know the answer? Geez.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 2/20/2014 3:11:37 PM | show profile | flag this post

None, as far as I know...

but the point is that this setback for VW is likely to put a damper on expansion -- that's the point I was making in the initial post.

And THAT is backed up by VW.

German companies use a "Works Council" structure. These are shop-floor bodies that meet with local management to tweak work agreements to local circumstances.

In the U.S., works councils formed without union representation are considered "company unions" prohibited under section 8(a)(2) of the National Labor Relations Act. The courts have upheld this view.

The inability to have a works council forces VW to create a unique business model different from the way the company works around the world -- driving up production costs and making it more expensive to coordinated business plans in the U.S.

In effect, the southern GOP's hatred of labor unions have created a form of de facto regulation on German auto makers who've been locating there expecting they could run their business as they had planned -- with a works council.

cruiser Posted - 2/20/2014 3:12:39 PM | show profile | flag this post

"The meddlers in the south were Republican politicians"

You're the uninformed one, twink. The UAW was trying to get card-check implemented in Southern auto plants while the GOP politicians were holding out against it...which was a naked attempt at unionization by intimidation.

blackedtaped Posted - 2/20/2014 3:14:10 PM | show profile | flag this post

No, I do know the answer

I was wondering if etaoin knew.
Here is the answer to another trivia question, Mitsubishi. Now does anyone know the question?

it's just tv folks Posted - 2/20/2014 3:23:52 PM | show profile | flag this post

Who participated in a joint venture with Chrysler to form Diamond-Star Motors in Illinois?

blackedtaped Posted - 2/20/2014 3:24:17 PM | show profile | flag this post

Now for the next question etaoin,

Why would any company want unionization?
Here is one opinion:

Now it is just someone's opinion and I already know it will be wrong but it is worth reading.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 2/20/2014 3:44:05 PM | show profile | flag this post

That is an opinon, blacked...

but what I've mentioned is the way VW is structured. It's what's made the company highly successful and highly profitable.

The southern GOP's blind hatred of unions at all costs has hurt non-union workers and business development.

Add this to the recent spate of southern law enforcement arresting European executives as potential "illegal immigrants" and you are looking at how the GOP hellbent on chilling economic development with European companies.

blackedtaped Posted - 2/20/2014 4:35:05 PM | show profile | flag this post

Trivia question answer...

Only foreign car manufacturer with unionized plant in US. So I guess most foreign companies are just fine without dealing with the UAW.

con Posted - 2/20/2014 5:54:01 PM | show profile | flag this post

failed democrat polices, liberal corruption and big labor made detroit what it is today.

workers at the vw plant just said no to unions. epic defeat.

point is? you have no point. just more spin and left wing talking points.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 2/21/2014 9:07:57 AM | show profile | flag this post

Some are, some are NOT, blacked...

Japan and Germany have different business cultures.

Germany has a long history of management working closely with labor -- and, as I pointed out, VW's business model is built around that.

Management at the plant welcomed the UAW -- it would save them millions of dollars in the long run. Without it, they won't likely expand their plant in Tennessee and will most likely locate any new plants in states more friendly to unions.

You really should read the Forbes article I linked to. German auto workers are paid roughly twice what UAW workers are paid here in the states -- and German car companies are highly profitable.

They understand that labor is a resource -- not a problem.

blackedtaped Posted - 2/21/2014 10:53:12 AM | show profile | flag this post

Just a couple of clarifications, etaoin

I could not find a link to a Forbes article, perhaps I missed it or you did not post it. The only Forbes article I found was this one, and I don't think it makes your point. The key point in this article was that the UAW is losing membership and is desperate to expand.

Also I think it is only fair to point out the Huffington article quoted not a VW spokesperson but a Union official for VW. That might add a different perspective to his projections.
Another thing to remember is the last time a US VW plant was unionized the outcome was not very positive. There was a wildcat strike shortly after the union vote and VW eventually shut the plant down. To be fair, the plant did build "Rabbits" which turned out to be a failure for VW but when they decided to return to the US they chose a different location.

mpdodgson Posted - 2/21/2014 11:26:41 PM | show profile | flag this post

As long as were "clarifying" things

The premise "meddling by outsiders" is exactly how to describe the UAW. " Holy crap. The EMPLOYEES?? The people who actually BUILD the cars??? Those are the "meddling outsiders"???? I think you should have put down your well worn copy of Ayn Rand once in a while as a kid and read some Dickens.

Another thing: "If further proof were needed, Obama's meddling in the early months of his presidency was he dishonestly effort to "save" the auto manufacturers...." Pardon me...but 'Saving Detroit' (or 'bailing them out' depending upon your point of view) was a George Bush plan; Obama merely completed it. And it worked. But of course your I-Hate-Obama blinders won't let you see it that way.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 2/22/2014 2:09:46 AM | show profile | flag this post

Dang it, mp! Why do you keep ruining Grandpa's stories?

proudliberal Posted - 2/22/2014 11:18:17 AM | show profile | flag this post

Big labor is dead?

It's getting there, thanks to idiots like cruiser who swallow the big business mantra of lower wages and higher profits. Take care of the investors, not the workers! Back in the '50s and '60s when we had strong unions we also had a strong middle class and economy. People could get a good job with a high school education and raise a family and buy a house and prosper. Morons like cruiser cheer when those jobs are sent to other countries and the workers now struggle to find a job that will pay $10 an hour. Way to go, dipshit. You made those people rich just like they wanted. Where's your reward for helping? There is none, dick. Unions keep the money flowing to the workers who are the backbone of the economy. Amazing how you pinheads can't see the correlation of the disappearance of the middle class along with the huge gains of wealth by the upper class along with the steady slide in the economy. God, you people are ignorant!

cruiser Posted - 2/22/2014 11:40:46 AM | show profile | flag this post

"Back in the '50s and '60s..."

And now we have bankrupt and desolate cities, trillions of dollars in debt and unfunded liabilities, unsustainable labor contracts, health care and retirement programs, more people on welfare, food stamps, disability, etc., than ever before.

And you gimme-gimme morons want a continuation...or an expansion...ot that??? Jesus! Talk about greedy and stupid.

mpdodgson Posted - 2/22/2014 12:30:27 PM | show profile | flag this post

By all means; Let's talk about stupid.

"South Carolina is glad to have non-union jobs from BMW, Michelin and Boeing, but don’t expect any factories from Ford, General Motors, Chrysler or other companies with unionized work forces.

According to Gov. Nikki Haley, they’re not welcome.

Haley said Wednesday that she discourages companies from building new facilities in South Carolina if they are planning to bring a union with them.

“It’s not something we want to see happen,” she told The Greenville News following an appearance at an automotive conference in downtown Greenville.

“We discourage any companies that have unions from wanting to come to South Carolina because we don’t want to taint the water.”

State Sen. Vincent Sheheen, Haley’s Democratic opponent in this year’s gubernatorial race, said he thinks South Carolina should remain a right-to-work state where workers are free to decide whether to join unions or not."

(It's bad enough when the US Congress refuses to pass jobs bills because--hey!! That might help the WH!! But when Governors tell factory owners not build there because of their own personal ideology (damn the citizens), things have gotten out of hand.

cruiser Posted - 2/22/2014 12:56:58 PM | show profile | flag this post

"their own personal ideology "

Drop your personal biases and look at this issue rationally. Southern states have routinely rejected unions. This speaks to the attitudes of Southerners in general, not personal idology.

But it strokes the egos of the socialist (wannabe) ruling class to think unions are good for everyone.

Unions...representing both private and government employees...have destroyed Detroit, Stockton, San Bernardino and other cities across the US. Not so strangely, the bulk of the problem resides in areas where left wing attitudes and strong union support once held sway. Do you begin to see that as a clue?

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