Benghazi, IRS...'inconvenient truths'

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newscred Posted - 5/14/2013 1:10:44 PM | show profile | flag this post

Seems as though Obama and many of his Chicago based political appointees have brought good old Chicago style (corrupt) politics to Washington.

But then, many of us saw that as a very strong probability before the pretender was even elected.

cruster Posted - 5/14/2013 2:08:21 PM | show profile | flag this post

Excellent Rush to a Conclusion

It's important to ignore any facts that come out, or fail to come out (Benghazi) and say this is "Chicago style" politics at work.

Because if we say it enough, stupid people will ignore reality and blame Obama whether he is to blame or not. Newscred is already ahead of the curve on that one in every respect.

I smell yellow cake and WMD!

blackedtaped Posted - 5/14/2013 4:11:47 PM | show profile | flag this post

Obama did not bring corrupt politics to DC

They were here LONG before he hit town. But it does seem he is falling short of his promises to change things once he got there.

cruster Posted - 5/14/2013 8:30:03 PM | show profile | flag this post

The Important Thing

Is to call these accusations "truths" now, before facts come forward that ruin it for us.

If we say "corruption", "Chicago style politics" and "Chicago based political appointees" enough times, these become "truths".

Then when the facts are revealed we can refute them with "truths" even if they are not exactly "true".

Important work newscred.

mpdodgson Posted - 5/15/2013 1:35:55 PM | show profile | flag this post


Could you tell me exactly how many "Chicago based political appointees" there are in the WH? And while you're at it, please tell me EXACTLY what "good old Chicago style (corrupt) politics" you have evidence of??

Now, don't get me wrong; the triple play of 'Benghazi/IRS/AP' is a true WTF/The fit's going to hit the shan'/what were you people thinking/can you spell incompetent?? month. Jeez people...this is a friggin PR nightmare. Handled badly.

All that being said, all three scandals are total bullshit, no laws of any kind were ever broken, the screw-ups pale in comparison to what past administrations went through, and when even Fox defends Obama against un-warranted crap you know somethings wrong.

livinliberal Posted - 5/15/2013 1:53:56 PM | show profile | flag this post

Here we go again...

Slow times in DC...especially now that the deficit is under control. Repubs have nothing to harp on Obama about so time to make things up! First of all, Benghazi is becoming a big zero. Nothing showing that anything out of the norm was done once the attack started. The IRS? Hilarious! This was all brought about by the SCOTUS decision on Citizens United. The IRS is mostly patrolling for political groups hiding under the guise of "social welfare" so they could avoid taxes. Most of the groups taking that path just happen to be right wingers and they are trying to just keep their donors secret. The AP seems to be a bigger scandal but the facts are not in yet so I won't rush to judgment like so many others. This is business as usual for the repubs who are doing nothing to straighten out the economy, just looking for more ways to try and make Obama look bad. Why don't we kick those bastards out of office instead and get some people in who actually want to do something to help the country?

con Posted - 5/21/2013 10:37:57 AM | show profile | flag this post

sorry livinliberal, the obama administration knowing lying to america isn't a big zero.

"This was all brought about by the SCOTUS decision on Citizens United"

um, citizens united has nothing to do with the irs targeting republican and conservative groups. this was done at the behest of democrats.

livinliberal Posted - 5/23/2013 1:30:41 PM | show profile | flag this post

Wrong, con...

Of the 300 applications that were scrutinized, 75 were Tea Party groups. The others included progressive groups so it wasn't just about the Tea Party. It's the IRS' JOB to sort through applications to see if they qualify for tax exemption. There were no audits or any punitive actions taken, just care to make sure they were actually "social welfare" groups. BTW, Karl Rove's Crossroads group was given tax exempt status. Are you saying that is a non-political group? The number of applications doubled after Citizen's United, so don't give me that it had nothing to do with the decision. This is all about conservative groups trying to avoid taxes and more importantly for them, hiding the identity of their donors. This IS a big zero and absolutely nothing will come of it, just more posturing by right wing politicians who have plenty of time to investigate Obama, but are just way to busy to do anything to actually help Americans.

mpdodgson Posted - 5/23/2013 11:28:57 PM | show profile | flag this post

Sorry con, but I think you're wrong.

After the "Citizen's United" decision allowed unlimited corporate money into elections there was a flood of applications to get special tax status that allowed an organization to hide its donors from the public, and in some cases even be tax-exempt.
But the rules say that political groups can't get this special tax status. The IRS has to check out applications for tax status to see if it is really a political group trying to sneak in to a special tax status.

Because they were flooded and couldn't check out every applying organization, the IRS group looked for things in the applications that "flagged" an organization as possibly a political group. These flagged applications were then passed along to specialists to look deeper and determine if they were legit or not.

Sounds pretty fair so far--as long as both 'Dem/Lib' and Conservative/GOP groups are looked into...right???

Well Gee Whiz. They were. All that happened here is that groups applying to the IRS for special tax status were checked to see if they were engaged in political activity. They were checked, not targeted. Only one-third of the groups checked were conservative groups.

Once again: Only one-third of the groups checked were conservative groups.

Conservative groups were not "singled out," were not "targeted" and in the end none were denied special tax status – even though many obviously should have been.

From last week's House hearings on this:

Rep. Peter Roskam, R-IL: "How come only conservative groups got snagged?"

Outgoing acting IRS commissioner Steve Miller: "They didn't sir. Organizations of all walks and all persuasions were pulled in. That’s shown by the fact that only 70 of the 300 organizations were tea party organizations, of the ones that were looked at by TIGTA [Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration]."

There is no THERE THERE. And if we appoint a Spec Prosecutor he/she will find the same thing.

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