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Bush Library Dedication
Posted - 4/25/2013 10:30:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
If you didn't get the chance to watch it live, at least see the replay. Lord knows I don't like the guy personally--BUT he was POTUS. And tofday he was a class act.
So rare you get to see five presidents at once...another great pic--
Look--I never said I was a fan of the guy--but watching the ceremonies today made me proud.
Posted - 4/25/2013 10:56:16 PM | show profile | flag this post
actually, i thought barbara bush stole the day..
when she said to some reporter..
"we don't need any more bushes in the white house"..or words to that effect..
sorry, jeb.. mama says no..
Posted - 4/26/2013 11:00:01 AM | show profile | flag this post
I can't get beyond
...the actual RESULTS of his Presidency. The 100,000+ dead unnecessarily, the tens of thousands of war-wounded Americans, the explosion of the national debt by paying for wars without raising taxes to pay for them, the no-bid contracts to Halliburton, the intel failure of 9-11.
I think of him more as an un-arrested war criminal living as a millionaire while scarred veterans live under bridges.
And as a Texan, I think of him as the guy who took every unfair generalization about Texans and made it the national--the international--truth. I can't forgive him for an instant. Not for being George W. Bush, but for doing what he did as President. He did very large damage to this country.
As the Bill Maher tweeted: "Just sayin', if the centerpiece of your presidential liberry is a twisted hunk of metal, you were a shitty president."
Posted - 4/26/2013 11:35:45 AM | show profile | flag this post
Please Tex, don't get me wrong
I still think the 'Smirker in Chief should go before the Hague for War Crimes. Don't care how you cut it, but he invaded a country for the helluva it.
"if the centerpiece of your presidential library is a twisted hunk of metal" THAT is one awesome comment. And if I hear one more bizarre observation that 'Islamic attacks' have occurred under Obama--but Bush kept us safe---Jeez. Time to share.
What I was commenting on was the event, and the speeches, and the history of it all. To me, it was a patriotic awe inspiring scene. Just me I guess.
(and PS to orthicon; Former FLOTUS Bush made that comment on the Today Show. And I have to disagree. I'm going to go for Hillary or Biden of course (no surprise) but then it comes to the GOP field--SERIOUSLY--Jeb is far better than either Santorum or Rubio...Christie might be another problem. IMO.
Posted - 4/26/2013 2:15:05 PM | show profile | flag this post
ok, I'll say it
I wonder if the most popular book in the "library" will be "My Pet Goat"?
Posted - 4/26/2013 3:10:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
Barbara Bush was honest and right on the money. The country has simply had enough of the Bush family. I think the best thing W did was make his dad look like a better president.
Way back in 2000 (1999?) I thought Jeb would have been the better Bush son to run. I don't agree with him on much but I could see that Jeb was the more capable Gov Bush. Looking at it from hindsight, I still believe Jeb would have been a better president and our country would be in better shape than the morass W left us. Unfortunately, Jeb doesn't get bonus points for stepping aside in favor of his older, incurious, nearly retarded brother. That was a bad decision for our country. He blew it. I think there may be some political hope in the next generation, HW's grandchildren.
It will be interesting to see who the GOP eventually nominates. It could very well be Jeb. I just think he missed his moment to actually be elected Potus.
Posted - 4/26/2013 3:25:41 PM | show profile | flag this post
24 charts that sum up everything you need to know about the Bush years.
Posted - 4/27/2013 10:51:44 AM | show profile | flag this post
A monument to failure...and the man who refuses to apologize for what he did to this country. He spent our surplus and created the biggest debt in history. He started a war on lies for "political capital" and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans while killing thousands of our soldiers. And he partied with John McCain while New Orleans was under water. His only defense was that he made "tough decisions". His whole library is based on making decisions. Anyone can make a decision. It takes a real idiot to make all the wrong decisions.
Posted - 4/27/2013 12:56:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
Hey, dude, he was still our national leader. Try to be grown-up about honoring the office, at least.
Sure, presidential libraries varnish history. But in America we have the freedom to develop our critical thinking skills, and by the time we visit a presidential library, we should be able to take it with a grain of salt. Nobody with a functioning brain, for instance, would come out of the Nixon Library thinking Nixon's presidency glowed, even though the exhibits gloss over all its scars.
Exhibits aren't all that presidential libraries are good for. The libraries also archive raw history in documents, photos, sound and video so that it's not lost. Two hundred years from now, some historian would be able to study all of it and interpret it in the context of the year 2213.
If you've never visited a presidential library, go. A presidential library isn't all about the president; a lot of it is about *you.* Sit in a lobby or a garden, and contemplate the world, the country and your own bit part.
Posted - 4/27/2013 1:14:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
But really, honoring the office isn't just a function of we Americans. It's more importantly a function of the person occupying that office. If I thought that GW Bush honored the Constitution, that he earnestly did the best he possibly could as President, that he didn't allow the outing of a covert CIA operative, that he exhausted every alternative before going to war, that he was diligent about the process and didn't allow exploitation of the war (Halliburton, etc.)...then I wouldn't come to the conclusions I have.
Bush dishonored the office himself by the way he performed as President. Your points are quite right about the function of the library, no argument there. But a President doesn't deserve honor after the fact just because he draws a breath. He deserves--or doesn't deserve--respect by the way he behaved in office. In my opinion, he didn't behave in a way that warrants respect.
Posted - 4/27/2013 2:05:38 PM | show profile | flag this post
So you're saying that you're unable to make the intellectual separation between the man and the office?
Posted - 4/27/2013 3:03:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
...in a real sense...does that mean?
I mean, you HAVE to show your respect for the boss at work. But if the boss is revealed to have absconded with company funds or harassed employees or made ridiculously awful financial decisions (or all of the above)...are you bound to respect him after he's gone? Must you speak of him with a breathy reverence despite his being phenomenally bad at it?
Explain how that works.
Posted - 4/27/2013 4:21:51 PM | show profile | flag this post
Another one of those fine lines
IMO...Absolutely, positively, you can visit one of the Presidential libraries--drink in the history, respect the office, be in total awe if you feel so inclined.
But Tex has a valid point...IF the 'Office Holder' didn't even respect the office--it's kind of hard for you as the visitor not to get that knot of nausea in your belly. I've been to six of the thirteen libraries now. Clinton's is most 'popular', but I like JFK's better. And if you're an Adams fan--that's terrific--you get two for the price of one.
But I digress. As I said when I started this thread--the ceremonies made me proud. Dubya's tenure most certainly does not. Once again, Jon Stweart had a great line..." the museum, at Southern Methodist University, features 43,000 artifacts from the second Bush presidency.
"So it's basically the Hard Rock Cafe of catastrophic policy decisions," Stewart said.
Let's put it another way. You want to visit something/somewhere where you can respect the office and everything it stands for?? Go to the WH. But for a trip to a Prez Library, you had better rent a solid RV for the two tons of salt you'll have to tow along.
Posted - 4/27/2013 7:27:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
...your sentiment MP. And definitely on one level I agree. There are different levels of taking something in--enjoying the spectacle of the living Presidents together, knowing the animus between some, and how they've gotten over it as the years passed. There was definitely some greatness on that stage, and of course, some awkward tiptoeing through the egos.
There was a time, and I'm not done thinking it yet, that GW Bush (and by no means him alone) may have played a huge role, if even accidentally, in destroying the middle class in this country. Destroy the middle class and you pretty well destroy what makes this country exceptional. There are dozens of countries that are free. But this country's middle class set it apart from many by allowing vertical movement. You could work your way up from nothing to the highest heights (Clinton's an example of that). But if that path's been destroyed we become a mediocre country ruled by an elite class with little to distinguish it.
Okay, I'd better stop before I decide to slash my wrists or something. That's a pretty dark evaluation! But then, that's pretty much why I don't like the 2nd Bush.
Posted - 4/28/2013 9:01:54 PM | show profile | flag this post
No way, Grateful...
I can respect the office and trash anyone who held it. Bush was by far the worst President in U.S. history, period. Trying to gloss over his failures with domestic and foreign policy, the economy, his sacrificing the middle class for the "have mores" is nothing less than contemptuous. I will never forgive him the damage he did this country. We were in such great shape when Clinton left office, and by the time W was done we were in a shambles. Now the repubs are trying to place blame on Obama for not fixing the complete disaster in four years. Ha! It's going to take decades. It would be easier if the repub House would actually try to cooperate in solving problems instead of stonewalling Obama, but that's a whole separate issue. Bush can try to gloss over his past all he can, but history will be his judge. And it will not be pretty.
Posted - 4/28/2013 9:03:38 PM | show profile | flag this post
By comparison Nixon was a FAR greater President than Bush would ever hope for. If it weren't for Watergate (which was obviously a pretty big blunder) Nixon would be looked on fairly well for his time in office.
Posted - 4/28/2013 10:10:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
Two prominent Republicans
On "This Week" this morning; Matthew Doud & George Will:
WILL: "Well the American people want to think well of presidents and ex-presidents. The problem with the Bush legacy is the tensions within it. Arguably his greatest decision was the surge. But the surge was to correct for the disastrous implementation of the invasion of Iraq which itself never should have happened, we now know.
Second, his greatest legacy are two superb Supreme Court candidates, nominees, now justices. On the other hand, one of them came after a disastrous suggestion, Harriet Miers.
In Afghanistan you had an invasion he had to take, but you had terrible mission creep afterwards and we got into the business of nation building. The prescription drug entitlement, the first major entitlement he ever passed without a dedicated funding source, aggravated the coming crisis of the welfare state."
DOWD: " And the Iraq War was a disaster. We spent over $1 trillion. We lost thousands of lives. I had a son that served there. We lost thousands of U.S. lives, thousands of lives over in Iraq. And the Iraq War for at least 20 years is going to affect us. It's already affecting our foreign policy in Syria. It's caused the president to not say, well I don't know if I can do this because of what happened in the Iraq War.
It's affected our domestic policy because the lack of funds, the lack of ability. And it polarized the country. And so I think we pause for a moment and say, yes he's a good man. But in the end, the Iraq War was such a disastrous decision, it affected this country so dramatically. His tie to history is going to be completely tied to that."
(With supporters like that, who needs enemies?) The video:
Posted - 4/28/2013 10:44:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
i've often questioned will's political stances..but..
i've never questioned his intelligence.
or his honesty..