CBC refusing to address the real issues

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cruiser Posted - 8/26/2013 2:04:46 PM | show profile | flag this post

What the CBC members and others are saying in the cited article pertain to ancillary issues and do not address some of the main sources of the racial divide in this country.


I will state unequivocally that blacks who are educated, speak proper English, dress in the norms the majority of the society and do not exhibit belligerence toward other races, etc., do NOT find it difficult to succeed in today's United States.

Yes, there is some residual uneasiness when encountering a belligerent black or a large group, whether belligerent or not. This unease has to do with a long history of crime statistics, especially black on white crime.

Absentee fathers also contribute to family problems and deprive black children of positive role models...someone to emulate in order to successfully integrate into the society. And the percentage of illegitimate births in the black community materially adds to this. Yes, the same problem afflicts all absentee father families regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, etc.

Black Power and Black Pride were counterproductive. These encouraged blacks to dress, act, talk, etc., differently from the major part of society and are some of the princapal reasons that whites avoid blacks. Most people are not deterred by the percentage of melanin in one's makeup but they do react negatively to contrary attitudes, actions, etc.

I know many of these problems stem from economic issues but many of these were/are self-inflicted. Those who opine that dilligent study in school is "acting white" and encourage others to shun education as undesirable for blacks are most assuredly contributing to the issue of the lack of black success.

In an era where those with college degrees...even advanced degrees...spend upwards of a year or more finding suitable full time employment, one cannot expect someone with a high school education...or less...to secure meaningful and rewarding employment.

But the CBC and other black leaders/groups don't want to confront the real issues. They look for scapegoats and reasons to blame whites, Republicans, systemic bias, etc.

When the leaders of the black community get real and start to confront internal issues, race relations will improve and the animosity of whites toward blacks will subside.

Now just watch the self-styled "progressives" on here rise up en masse to condemn me as a racist...simply for articulating the real problems.

cruster Posted - 8/26/2013 3:31:02 PM | show profile | flag this post

"condemn me as a racist"

What you said wasn't racist at all.

It was completely insensitive and tone deaf, but racist? Heck sake cruiser, you didn't even use the N-word this time!

Saying that people of color should not show pride and act differently from mainstream white people brings back imagery of the "good ones" people used to mention in the 50's and 60's. You know, the black people who "acted white".

What's racist about wanting everyone to assimilate to your comfort level so you never have to even attempt to understand other people, races and cultures?

I take it back. What you said was the very definition of racism.

newscred Posted - 8/26/2013 4:16:41 PM | show profile | flag this post

Well said, Cruiser.

Cruster doesn't agree. It seems to me that a society, any society, that fails to meld all ethnic groups into the primary societal structure is doomed to always have ethnic group issues. What cruiser stated is true. You call it insensitive, Cruster. I call it realistic. Of course we can have pride in our ethnic background, but when living in a country (any country) whose majority has created a working society, it's not reasonable to expect to succeed in that society if you don't live and act by the majority's rules.

I think a great disservice is done when leaders of 'minority' groups
work to separate their population from the dominant society. Of course the more separate from main society they can keep their 'followers' the more power they have. And they love power.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 8/26/2013 6:17:51 PM | show profile | flag this post

If you two hypocrites subscribed to what you've written here, then you and your ancestors would have "melded" and conformed to the culture that already existed in North America instead of sending smallpox-contaminated blankets and taking away land and dignity.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 8/26/2013 6:19:47 PM | show profile | flag this post

P.S. I look forward very much to your embracing Spanish in the very near future as the minority becomes the majority and it's up to you -- the new minority -- to fit in or ship out.

cruiser Posted - 8/26/2013 6:32:59 PM | show profile | flag this post

"doomed to always have ethnic group issues"

You betcha. Look at the Basques of Spain, the Quebecois of Canada, the Azerbaijanis in Albania, etc., etc., etc. And look at the Sunni/Shi'a strife all over the Middle East. Each of these groups refuses to be assimilated into the majority population of the region in which they reside.

cruiser Posted - 8/26/2013 6:38:59 PM | show profile | flag this post

"I look forward very much to your embracing Spanish"

When the Mexican flag flies over the gilded dome in Sacramento, I'll begin to think about it.

But I'm also brushing up on my Spanish.

cruiser Posted - 8/26/2013 6:43:01 PM | show profile | flag this post

Our "ancestors," dearie,

were 400 years ago. What meaningful connection do you think we have with them?

cruster Posted - 8/26/2013 7:27:32 PM | show profile | flag this post

"Our "ancestors," dearie, were 400 years ago"

Back when cruiser was just a boy, and racism was just good ol' fashioned fun.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 8/26/2013 8:22:11 PM | show profile | flag this post

Yep. I guess he doesn't realize that his original post has been used for YEARS as the list of excuses to by those who promulgate racism.

cruiser either doesn't understand it, or he forget that people who are the objects of racism/ethnophobia post on this forum.

I am stunned that to him "Spanish" is "Mexican." How handy it must be to live in his tiny compartmentalized world.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 8/26/2013 8:26:17 PM | show profile | flag this post

Oh, and I must say that I LOVE his backtracking on "melding" when it comes to him and his ancestors. What a dummkopf our resident white supremacist is!

orthicon Posted - 8/26/2013 8:27:24 PM | show profile | flag this post

cruiztwit..we only condemn you as a racist because..

you ARE a racist..

con Posted - 8/26/2013 9:11:18 PM | show profile | flag this post

racial tensions- a divided america- is what obama wants. and got.

cruiser speaks the truth and is called racist.....

why would the cbc, reverend inc. , or others in the race industry want to "get real and start to confront internal issues," when they benefit from keeping things the way they are?

cruiser Posted - 8/26/2013 9:14:00 PM | show profile | flag this post

So far, the posts by the left are proof positive

that either:

1) They are scared sh*tless to discuss the race matter, or

2) They don't have the intellectual agility to do so.

cruster Posted - 8/26/2013 9:16:24 PM | show profile | flag this post

cruiser speaks the truth and is called racist

Because what cruiser said is only true to racists.

So it must sound like the truth to you con/puzo/freedom/may

Well wear my sweatshirt inside out and backwards y'all!!!!

con Posted - 8/26/2013 9:42:45 PM | show profile | flag this post

since crustie is the best representation of liberal think- intellect maybe the issue.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 8/27/2013 12:24:00 AM | show profile | flag this post

Poor con -- can't recognize satirical humor even when it walks up and introduces itself.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 8/27/2013 12:43:47 AM | show profile | flag this post

*** So far, the posts by the left are proof positive
that either:
1) They are scared sh*tless to discuss the race matter, or
2) They don't have the intellectual agility to do so. ***

This from the dude who "discusses" by hauling up every African American stereotype and applying them all to the entire minority en masse. What a winner in the contest to pick the top Neanderthal throwback living in a cave.

You're dumber than a sack of hammers, cruiser, and that's way dumber than a box of rocks. You're not pulling the wool over anybody's eyes here.

If you're NOT racist, then show it by talking about minorities as individual human beings with all that individuality entails. Because your original post is so error-filled, it isn't funny. It reads as if you never get out, don't know anyone who's black, never have, and never talk with anyone who's black. Your post comes off as both insulated AND arrogant, which is how racists paint the people they dislike.

Change your tune, and we'll listen to it. Continue on the same track, and all you're doing is airing your own rotten character -- again.

cruiser Posted - 8/27/2013 1:41:41 AM | show profile | flag this post

I don't know them all individually

just like I don't know you...moron.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 8/27/2013 11:29:11 AM | show profile | flag this post

Your post makes no sense, and it includes offensive name-calling, two sure indicators that you were indeed blowing smoke.

Some genius.

cruiser Posted - 8/27/2013 12:30:25 PM | show profile | flag this post

The way I'd phrase it, dearie,

is calling the offensive names...and moron fits you to a T.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 8/27/2013 1:31:55 PM | show profile | flag this post

Why should anyone have to conform...

to right wing "norms" to be accepted as an equal?

Why shouldn't TEA Partiers conform to the norms of the mainstream? They're just as different looking, just as "belligerent" to other races and fail to speak in "proper English."

If you're going to demand these standards of one race -- you have to demand it of your own first.

And I have to disagree with the idea that if you conform to these qualities, everything will be OK and everyone will accept you. Ask an African American who meets all these standards -- and he'll tell you as something completely different.

con Posted - 8/27/2013 2:04:38 PM | show profile | flag this post

sad grateful deadline chooses childish insults- instead of addressing the topic- but predictable.

so, etaoin shrdlu, education, employment, responsible parenting and personal responsibility are rightwing "norms"?

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 8/27/2013 2:43:50 PM | show profile | flag this post


but criticizing someone for being different is.

Not everyone speaks with the same accent in this country. As Tom Petty (and Johnny Cash) sang in "Southern Accents," "The young 'uns call it 'country.' The Yankees call it 'dumb.'"

Dress codes -- where hooded sweatshirts are branded "thug wear" -- can be right wing "norms."

The lack of a formal education is no reason to discriminate against a person.

But back to the point.

If you're going to criticize some blacks because they don't adhere to YOUR "norms" -- then you MUST also criticize TEA Partiers for the exact same reasons.

Do you, con?

cruiser Posted - 8/27/2013 3:16:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

"Why shouldn't TEA Partiers conform

to the norms of the mainstream?"

You think you're mainstream??? Pal, you're so far out on the left edge if you trimmed your toenails you'd lose your grip and fall off.

What I'm suggesting is refraining from cake cutters used as combs stuck in huge Afros, jeans worn at the waist and not at the bottoms of the hips so that the skivvies show, etc. In other words, dress, look and comport oneself like everyone else. These are just a couple examples.

Fitting in is NOT a tea party movement standard. It is the standard around which this society has been built.

Being different...especially being deliberately, demonstrably and exaggeratedly different...is not a path to acceptance and success.

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