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con Posted - 2/17/2014 3:42:10 PM | show profile | flag this post

who has benefited more from the citizens united decision?

mean republicans?

evil corporations?

the racist tea party?

satanist koch brothers?


Labor unions benefit more from Citizens United than big conservative donors

The loosening of federal rules for political spending has done more to help Democrats than Republicans, according to two recent analyses of campaign contributions.

Those facts run counter to a well-established national media narrative — one often repeated by liberal groups and Democratic lawmakers who bemoan the influence of corporate cash in politics after the Supreme Court’s ruling in 2010 opened the flood gates to unlimited political spending — that says Republicans and their big business allies have been able to unduly influence elections with unfettered spending

it's just tv folks Posted - 2/17/2014 4:57:41 PM | show profile | flag this post

In September 2009, the Franklin Center launched

"In 2011, fully 95 percent of the Franklin Center’s revenues came from a charity called Donors Trust, whose top contributors were the Koch brothers. (CJR first profiled the Franklin Center last September.)

The Franklin Center, in turn, created a website of state-based reporting, called—fed by “a network of journalists reporting on state and local governments.” The site serves as a hub for stories from Watchdog outlets in 23 states."

I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, that watchdog dot org is defending their biggest funder, the Koch Bros.

cruiser Posted - 2/17/2014 5:25:55 PM | show profile | flag this post

Mrs. Koch must have died from worn-out lady parts

According to the left wing fringe on here, there are Koch brothers behind every tree...and each one has a sinister conspiracy the sole purpose of which is to set upon and ravage poor helpless liberals.

Poor, poor left wingers. I feel so sorry for them.

con Posted - 2/17/2014 6:21:10 PM | show profile | flag this post

shocked is often what happens when the left is confronted with facts they can't spin or deny.

indubitably this will lead to egregious attacks on the source.

oh those poor helpless liberals. can any one saverate them from the koch legion of doom?

cruster Posted - 2/17/2014 7:10:11 PM | show profile | flag this post

Hmmmm, Odd

loveable has a very familiar way of posting. Same bad spelling, specious accusations, ripping off others posts.


Could he be? No. He wouldn't get yet another screen name, would he?

No one is that egregiously stupid except..... CON!

con Posted - 2/17/2014 7:28:17 PM | show profile | flag this post

that cruster fella. he's a smart one. might outta keep eye on him...

"ripping off others posts"

this is a egregious accusation....drop some examples.....

it's just tv folks Posted - 2/17/2014 9:42:16 PM | show profile | flag this post

Poor 2oldcruztwit, suffering from dementia just like Doris.

Do you need someone to hold your hand and talk you through the facts here? Oh, that's right, you are afraid of real facts and call opinions facts.

Btw cruztwit, you are sounding more and more like neoconjohngerardquinnparmaputzosubhumantoiletscum.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 2/17/2014 9:47:12 PM | show profile | flag this post

Did you intend your post to be intelligible, con? If you go to the effort of posting, you may as well have it make sense. Then again, your new screen name is still misspelled and doesn't make sense.

blackedtaped Posted - 2/18/2014 9:22:55 AM | show profile | flag this post

Ignoring the childish bickering

Here is another perspective (from an unbiased source):

con Posted - 2/18/2014 11:03:20 AM | show profile | flag this post

Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014

a list dominated by big labor and liberal donors.

the evil koch bros. are 59 on that list. so much for the legion of doom boogie men.

blackedtaped brings the facts.

democrats and the media predicted citizens u would spell doom for america and destroy our political system.

the media fear mongering.

democrat warnings of scary republican donors.

none of these fears were ever realized. it was all b.s. all liberal spin.

expect the media to continue to lie and toe the liberal line on citizens u.

still some will ask "what liberal media?".

Grateful Deadline Posted - 2/18/2014 4:59:20 PM | show profile | flag this post

You don't even know the meaning of the word "media."

You only fling it around on this forum in order to stir the pot.

cruster Posted - 2/18/2014 6:24:45 PM | show profile | flag this post

democrat warnings

This is grammatically incorrect. It would be democratic warnings.

You can say "he is a democrat" or "she is a member of the democratic party"

Journalists are sticklers for grammar and spelling. So you'll need to change your screen name too. Again. It's a dead giveaway that you're not a journalist and never have been.

con Posted - 2/18/2014 7:21:03 PM | show profile | flag this post

attacking the source, the poster and going off topic.

happens when you lack facts and logic.

It's a dead giveaway.

it's just tv folks Posted - 2/19/2014 2:55:08 PM | show profile | flag this post

Top Organizations Funding Outside Spending Groups: yes indeed, in this category Unions are the top donors.

But if you look at Top Individuals Funding Outside Spending Groups (at link below), you will see that Sheldon Edleson and wife donated nearly twice as much as the top 5 "liberal" organizations (at link above). You're going to have to look at 2 lists and do some math, so I don't expect some of you to understand.

Of course these lists don't reflect the dark money in campaigns.

"Outside of the public eye, major corporations may be even more active in elections. That's because Citizens United also gave rise to "dark money" groups, nonprofits that don't disclose their donors publicly but enjoy the same right to make independent expenditures as for-profit corporations. Such groups spent $256 million, or just over a quarter of all non-party outside spending, in the 2012 elections; how much of that money came from corporate treasuries is unknown." (h/t to blackedtaped)

Seems we're all in favor of overturning Citizens United.

mpdodgson Posted - 2/19/2014 8:07:30 PM | show profile | flag this post

Even the NYT

believes the rule are too lax--regardless of Party. Editorial yesterday:

"In November, when the Internal Revenue Service finally stirred itself to propose a modest crackdown on the abuse of the tax code by political groups, it was immediately attacked by tax-exempt nonprofit groups on the right. That wasn’t too surprising; secret donations from conservatives to these groups are the principal reason American politics is now dominated by those with huge bank accounts.

But now liberal tax-exempt groups are also raising their voice in protest over the I.R.S.’s plans, afraid that they will be caught in the same crackdown, and will be unable to engage in political activity. The best thing the I.R.S. can do is to ignore both sides and proceed swiftly ahead, making its proposed rules even stronger to squeeze the influence of money out of politics.

If anything, the I.R.S. rules, which should be sped up to have some effect on the November elections, ought to be stronger. The same prohibitions against political activity should also apply to business leagues like chambers of commerce, and to unions, both of which are organized under different sections of the tax code that allow concealment of donors. The rules should be far more explicit that no amount of political activity is acceptable for any group that refuses to disclose contributors.

Secret money has become the scourge of the political system and needs to be eliminated regardless of the inconvenience to nonprofit groups, whatever their ideology. Republicans have blocked Congress from dealing with the problem, so now it is up to the I.R.S. to do its job.

con Posted - 2/19/2014 8:47:59 PM | show profile | flag this post

problem is, the irs is often used as a political tool of those who are in power. which leads to selective enforcement, targeting and the irs scandal of today.

the party who isn't in the white house isn't going to change or tighten rules because of this.

there has to be a way to make the irs non-political or above it all.

the irs wields too much power, too much control over the citizenry.

we have to insure the irs isn't weaponized.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 2/20/2014 10:02:35 AM | show profile | flag this post

The IRS is non-political...

the investigations into the IRS nontroversy showed that to be the case. They had a responsibility to weed out political organizations trying to claim tax exempt status -- and the investigations show they went after groups all across the political spectrum equally.

The IRS is often politicized by the party out of power -- but the White House has virtually no control over the day to day operations of the Service regardless of who's in office.

con Posted - 2/20/2014 11:18:14 AM | show profile | flag this post

repeating lies and liberal talk points over and over won't make it truth.

keep beleeverating. keep hope alive.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 2/20/2014 1:56:11 PM | show profile | flag this post

Hang in there con...

you're the only on on this thread repeating lies and talking points.

You wouldn't know a fact if one hit you in the face.

And from the way you write, sounds like you've been hit with enough of them to do some pretty serious brain damage.

cruiser Posted - 2/20/2014 3:23:40 PM | show profile | flag this post

"went after groups all across the political spectrum equally

No, that's the dishonest story you and the left wing media are trying to peddle. The FACT is the ratio of conservative to liberal groups "investigated" by the IRS was VERY lopsided. And, in fact, there are STILL conservative groups that have not been interviewed by the FBI and many still have not gotten a determination of their status...more than three years later.

Meanwhile all the (conveniently backfilled) liberal groups have been adjudicated and I don't recall that there was a single one denied tax exempt status.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 2/20/2014 3:45:40 PM | show profile | flag this post

Wrong again, cruzo...

you're depending on Rep Issa for your info -- and we all know by now he just makes stuff up.

Is there ANY conspiracy theory you WON'T fall for?

cruiser Posted - 2/20/2014 4:04:38 PM | show profile | flag this post


and you constantly using that for a verbal crutch because you don't have anything honest to say won't help you.

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