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| VTexan |
Posted - 10/17/2012 7:44:09 AM | show profile | flag this post
I'm quite satisfied that the President may well have turned his sagging fortunes around, if just for now, with last night's performance.
That said, I think these debates have taken on a life that's a little...weird. What they mean is that barring any diversion from this, the USA will end up with Presidents who are the best at debating their opponents, or who look great and project confidence to TV cameras. Not necessarily the best leader, but those who can ACT as though they're the best leader.
Those folks who might be outstanding Presidents, wise beyond measure, but not so great in this particular context...need not apply. And I don't think it's a good litmus for the office, or for this country.
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| con |
Posted - 10/17/2012 7:55:29 AM | show profile | flag this post
obama came off has bitter and angry. obama embarrassed the hell out of himself. un-presidential.
romney won on issues. ( cnn,cbs polling)
obama won on nastiness.
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 10/17/2012 8:45:53 AM | show profile | flag this post
All the instant polls are showing Obama won..
and Nate Silver says that should be good (historically) for 2.3 percentage points in the horse race.
If Obama had done this two weeks ago, Romney would have been completely out of the race.
Obama looked tough, Romney looked flustered and was easily called out on falsehoods -- like his latest lie about Libya. Obama was great in calling for that Romney falsehood to be factchecked.
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| beenthere |
Posted - 10/17/2012 9:25:01 AM | show profile | flag this post
Anyone know any "undecided voters?"
Hubby pointed out last night that you'd have to be dead or stupid to be undecided at this point, since the candidates have opposing viewpoints on just about everything.
He is now calling that segment of voters the "I don't cares."
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| Ron Mexico |
Posted - 10/17/2012 9:58:33 AM | show profile | flag this post
Mitt won on the issues. Obama won on lies and spin.
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| cruster |
Posted - 10/17/2012 11:01:42 AM | show profile | flag this post
When Romney Won is was a WIN!
When Obama wins, it's because he lied.
May seem hypocritical, since many say Romney stretched the truth and outright lied in the first debate, that's how we work it.
Pal!
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 10/17/2012 11:29:09 AM | show profile | flag this post
** ( cnn,cbs polling) **
Yeah, those polls of the public are so, so valuable. Last week, I was able to register my opinion over and over again on cnn.com because the site didn't prevent repeated voting from the same computer.
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 10/17/2012 11:59:06 AM | show profile | flag this post
VTex;
Obviously a very good point re Debates in general (lets remember Lincoln "lost" his debates against Douglas)
I would submit however that this is the best situation we have. Submitting 'written answers' obviously would be worse. And changing the formats and moderators each time is about as fair as you can get (despite the wingnuts praise for the first debate--scorn for the second)
One could also argue that the talents, abilities, whatever, needed for these exchanges? Sure as hell comes in handy when dealing in foreign policy--and the cabinet, military, advisors, etc. (After watching Ryan debate the VP, I sure don't feel comfortable with him dealing with Karzai. Think Palin in talks with Putin)
As far as polling is concerned, Sure, internet polls are useless...but there will be traditional polling...which the Romeny camp LOVED last time. Go figure.
beenthere?? I'm with your Hubby on this one. Even AFTER the debate, I cringed at those still saying...'Uh, i just don't know..."
Watch this--SNL interviews 'Undecided voters'--
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/snl-lets-us-in-on-the-concerns-of-undecided-voters/
(My favorite was "What is oil? What is it used for?")
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| beenthere |
Posted - 10/17/2012 12:56:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
Jut watched the video--it'd be hysterical if it weren't true.
Sigh. Where's my power cord?
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| orthicon |
Posted - 10/17/2012 2:07:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
romney lost the debate..and the presidency..last night..
if we accept that debates mean anything..and i'm not at all sure they do..romney will now have to take obama on in the last debate..confined to foreign policy..
obama has been implementing foreign policy for the last four years..we all know romney's ongoing litany of gaffes and misstatements about foreign policy..
romney will be shown as a fish out of water in the final debate..
which, of course, he is..
bye-bye, white house..
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| VTexan |
Posted - 10/17/2012 2:44:48 PM | show profile | flag this post
MP
Yeah, I don't have a viable alternative to these debates. I just think it's too much of a popularity contest + winner of the debate club + how good someone looks in a suit.
Well, even that's not fair. But my point is that I don't think this is the best litmus. When I find it, I'll be sure to share!
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 10/17/2012 2:59:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
Like I pointed out elsewhere...
debates move the winner less than 2.5% in the polls and it's only for a limited time. That's pretty close to what we saw with the first debate and Romney.
The final debate will be the most important -- because it's closest to the election and a prolonged bounce will help the winner, but it's effects will likely wear off before election day.
One benefit of continued wins in the debates is that it could benefit the winner in EARLY VOTING going on while the bounce is there. But as much as tow-thirds of early voting this year has favored Obama. So Romney missed an opportunity there.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 10/17/2012 7:41:05 PM | show profile | flag this post
"the President may well have
turned his sagging fortunes around"
If media people are the only ones voting, that may well be true.
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| VTexan |
Posted - 10/17/2012 8:22:44 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yet another cruiser post
...yet another unsubstantiated, boasty-assed piece o' tripe.
In these fast-changing times, it's at least nice to know that SOME things never change.
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 10/17/2012 8:53:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
What about this??
Same 'Town Hall Forum' as last night--but no moderator.
Think about it. Neither side would be able to bitch about the 'slanted' moderator...if either candidate was rude or "boorish", the audience would let them know about it in two seconds, and both guys would (more or less) be forced to say 'okay, I'm done, you go for it, and then I'll answer, etc etc...
Granted, it would run for two hours minimum..but damn, it would be fun to watch.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 10/17/2012 9:00:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
"yet another unsubstantiated, boasty-assed piece o' tripe"
Not evern close, pal. Most of the analyses I've seen...if they came from the folks...either favored or leaned toward Romney. It's only media organizations that thought Obama won.
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 10/17/2012 9:15:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
Oh, please share,
"Most of the analyses I've seen...either favored or leaned toward Romney. It's only media organizations that thought Obama won."
Exactly what analyses would that be exactly?? I have yet to see a poll or respected columnist from either party who gave it hands down for Mitt. But then, you have your secret sources.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 10/17/2012 9:26:28 PM | show profile | flag this post
Y'know, if you were even half way pleasant
I'd respond. But since you are...like always...being an asshole, I won't.
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 10/17/2012 9:32:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
AWESOME comeback
I'm devastated.
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| VTexan |
Posted - 10/18/2012 7:24:28 AM | show profile | flag this post
Looks like I called it dead on
"yet another unsubstantiated, boasty-assed piece o' tripe"
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 10/18/2012 9:44:43 AM | show profile | flag this post
*** Y'know, if you were even half way pleasant
I'd respond. But since you are...like always...being an asshole, I won't. ***
OK. So there are none.
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