Posted - 6/28/2012 10:11:15 AM | show profile | flag this post
So white house spokesperson Carney has said several times, " all the documents have been turned over to the committee" in regards to fast & furious. And then calls the hearing "political theater".
Here is the first question that media people should ask.
If all the documents have been turned over, as you say, why is the President claiming executive privilege on documents that don't exist, based on your statement that ALL of the documents have already been turned over?
Posted - 6/28/2012 10:27:43 AM | show profile | flag this post
Don't know about your premise...
Looks like Fortune has exposed Issa as a modern McCarthy leading a witchhunt.
Posted - 6/27/2012 2:25:07 PM | show profile | flag this post
"A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust."
Pretty good journalism by anyone's standards.
Posted - 6/28/2012 12:35:31 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yes you do...
Carney is on tape saying that "all the documents" have been turned over.
You are just a TASS state run media puppet.
Posted - 6/28/2012 12:50:28 PM | show profile | flag this post
if it's true that the disputed papers contain information..
about ongoing criminal investigations, then the justice department has every right..indeed, the obligation...to keep those papers from public view..
and issa's committee has no right to see them, or even ask for them..
Posted - 6/28/2012 12:52:30 PM | show profile | flag this post
"A Fortune investigation reveals..."
As I posted in the other thread where you tried to sell this load of manure, the author of the "investigation" is a liberal medical reporter who writes for several publications...many of them left-leaning to liberal...including the New York Times. My guess is she knows ZIPPO about the BATFE, the Justice Department, the NRA, etc.
This was a political point of view, NOT an investigation.
Posted - 6/28/2012 12:54:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yeah, I slapped you down pretty hard on that, cruzo...
Here's what I said:
Let's look at her background:
The Rhodes Scholar has worked for "Conde Nast Portfolio, the New York Times, New York, the New York Observer, and ABC News. Her work has been featured on national news programs including 60 Minutes, 20/20, Nightline and NPR. She was a 2006 Alicia Patterson fellow."
She is not a "health reporter" as claimed above but an investigative journalist and -- as cruzo claims to be -- a non-fiction author.
It's just that her first book, "Dangerous Doses" -- which looked at the threat of counterfeit drugs contaminating America's pharmaceutical supply chains -- won awards from the American Society of Journalists and Authors and the National Association of Health Care Journalists.
She's a real, live "non-fiction writer," cruzo. And a helluva investigative reporter, too.
Posted - 6/28/2012 12:55:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
All the documents have been turned over...
Issa TWICE refused to accept them.
Now, he's on a political witch hunt.
Posted - 6/28/2012 8:19:09 PM | show profile | flag this post
Stay classy libs.
Posted - 6/28/2012 8:47:47 PM | show profile | flag this post
This Started in 2006
Under President George W. Bush. A Fine American
Therefore I approve of it and criticize Obama for stopping it!!
Posted - 6/28/2012 9:23:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
Your constant rants about the "clueless media"; including advice on "Here is the first question that media people should ask" always reminds me about the guy in the Brooks Brothers suit who stops on his way to work at the skyscraper construction site...pauses, cocks his head, and says, 'You're doing it wrong'
In this case, again, you start off with a totally false premise. "Carney has said several times, "...all the documents have been turned over to the committee" in regards to fast & furious." Really? He said that? You put it in quotes. Actually he's never said that. He's pointed out that all "relevant" documents have been turned over. Enough is enough.
7,600 pages of documents (Gee, wonder if Issa has read them all yet? 14 months of investigators. 11 Congressional appearances. What they don't want to hand over is material about ongoing criminal probes (Well that makes sense), and WH material about how to handle all the investigators. (Which is what the Bush WH refused to turn over as well.)
In case you missed it; Issa this Sunday, on FOX and ABC, "Mr. Issa was asked in an interview whether his committee had evidence that White House officials had knowingly misled Congress about the case. “No, we don’t,”
It's a witch hunt. Period. Both parties have done it. You want to quote Carney? Accurately? Fine. "Well, I can tell you that House Republicans have made the strategic choice to try to score political points by focusing their time and attention on a law enforcement operation from 2009 that was botched and that everyone agrees was botched, and that employed a flawed tactic and everyone agrees that it employed a flawed tactic. And they’ve made that choice, rather than focusing on jobs and the economy. And with millions of Americans still struggling to pay their bills, I cannot imagine this will sit well with most Americans."
Posted - 6/28/2012 10:20:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Issa TWICE refused to accept them (the documents)"
You're being more dishonest than usual...and you know it.
What Issa refuses to accept is Holder's "deal" to terminate the investigation in return for turning over the remaining documents.
If Holder et al didn't have something to hide they'd be willing to turn over the documents without conditions.
Posted - 6/28/2012 10:54:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
You want to quote Carney? Accurately? Fine. "Well, I can tell you that House Republicans have made the strategic choice to try to score political points by focusing their time and attention on a law enforcement operation from 2009 that was botched and that everyone agrees was botched, and that employed a flawed tactic and everyone agrees that it employed a flawed tactic. And they’ve made that choice, rather than focusing on jobs and the economy. And with millions of Americans still struggling to pay their bills, I cannot imagine this will sit well with most Americans."
Balony! Carney is using a typical, dodge the issue, change the topic tactic. I'm sure that House Republicans and other politicians can focus on jobs, the economy and Fast & Furious. Hopefully the people we elect can handle more than one issue.
Holder's refusal to turn over documents is likely a moot point now. As I understand it, he will have to hand a judge a list of the docs he's refusing to turn over and that judge may view them and decide just how "investigative" they are.
If the White House has nothing to hide, this is just a very bad move. If they have something to hide, it's just a very bad move. Either way, they're screwed.
|it's just tv folks||
Posted - 6/28/2012 11:08:11 PM | show profile | flag this post
the lying cheerleader
is cheering her liars, aka, republicons. The lie of this made up nontroversy, lying about the facts, lying about who is responsible for the blood spilled so gun manufactures can make tons of money on a pile of dead bodies. Way to go murderous bitch!!!!!
|it's just tv folks||
Posted - 6/28/2012 11:11:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
how many jobs did Issa and his goons create?
A big fat ZERO!!!!!!
Yeah rah g o p is a big fat Z E R O!!! ZERO!!!!!!
Posted - 6/28/2012 11:25:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
c'mon, just..stopbs is a die-hard conservative, true..
but she's making her points as you are..
she doesn't deserve THAT kind of attack..
show a LITTLE class..
Posted - 6/29/2012 12:14:33 AM | show profile | flag this post
Thank you, orth
That was classy.
I usually read past that poster.
I stick with the people on both sides who force me to frame my best arguments about the issues.
Posted - 6/29/2012 11:43:46 AM | show profile | flag this post
"What they don't want to hand over
is material about ongoing criminal probes"
That's bullsh*t. They claim to have handed over all the documents pertaining to the operation of F&F. THAT'S where any Justice Department criminal probes would be focused. Their claim of "criminal probes" is a smokescreen.
What they are REFUSING to turn over is evidence of the apparent misleading of Issa's committee and the ass-covering of key Justice figures.
Posted - 6/29/2012 12:04:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
What Issa wants are internal documents...
that belong to the administration.
Congress has no right to those. The courts have agreed. The law is settled. Issa knows this, but is pushing the issue to gin up the base in an election year.
The criminal contempt charge will be thrown out by Holder's own Justice Department. The civil contempt trial will take years and end in a settlement with DoJ turning over ONLY the papers DoJ has offered to turn over.
Posted - 6/29/2012 12:34:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
and that's all it is...is driven by a lock-step left wing POV and your knee-jerk support of a less-than-honest Justice Department within a less-than-transparent (as it falsely self-described) administration.
Posted - 6/29/2012 1:49:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
It's driven by facts based on what has happened in past cases of contempt of Congress charges leveled against members of the administration at the time -- specifically, the Bush and Clinton administrations -- AND on the specifics of this particular case.
If you would research a subject before you comment your credibility wouldn't take a hit with each post you make.
Posted - 6/29/2012 2:00:02 PM | show profile | flag this post
It's not MY credibility
that's in jeopardy here, pal.
You're long on lofty theories but WAY short on facts.
Posted - 6/29/2012 2:01:41 PM | show profile | flag this post
Cruiser, what ES is saying is in the backgrounders on this issue. They're widely available on the Web.
Posted - 6/29/2012 2:57:47 PM | show profile | flag this post
I've read the Democrat talking points...
what you've characterized as "backgrounders"...and I reject them as politically motivated and false.
Posted - 6/29/2012 2:59:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
Failed to add
Just because the left wing has hundreds of echo sites that will all parrot the talking points DOES NOT make them true.
Posted - 6/29/2012 4:33:36 PM | show profile | flag this post
stopbs; First things first;
"You want to quote Carney? Accurately? Fine." I said that specifically to point out that people here who have never been in the biz wouldn't know an accurate quote if they tripped over one, they think if they paraphrase something that counts. It doesn't.
Inre your "Carney is using a typical, dodge the issue, change the topic tactic" What was he responding to??? Another lame F&F question??? You want to talk about CHANGING THE TOPIC, how about this Congress doing NOTHING to help the economy??? How about passing the many many infra-structure bills? Nope. Lets focus on Eric Holder.
From the great CNN Jack Cafferty: "Here's all you need to know about how worthless Congress is:
Of the thousands of measures introduced in the current Congress - only 132 passed. And about 1 in 5 of those was to approve official names for post offices. This country is circling the drain when it comes to runaway government spending and deficits - and 20% of the bills that got through Congress were to name post offices."
As for F&F, the WH is not 'screwed'. There's no way any judge is going to say that 7,600 pages of documents is not complying. More docs on current investigations and/or WH reactions/responses to Issa?? F you. Not relevant, ain't gonna happen, just like previous administrations. Issa is already on the record as saying the WH isn't involved. So let it go for chrissakes and focus your attention on a JOBS BILL.
(PS to cruize; stopbs has something to say worthy of a response, you're just vomiting wingnut garbage. Not worth a response)