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beenthere Posted - 12/20/2013 10:07:58 AM | show profile | flag this post

Here's a discussion with a link to a short video regarding the dumbing down of the math curriculum because of Common Core: ACTUAL EXAMPLE OF MATH PROBLEM
A 2 step math problem in 108 irrelevant steps

The question - There are 18 people. These 18 people counted up to the last person with a number that landed on 90. What is the number they counted up by, for 18 people to reach a number of 90 while counting by it?

Obviously, to get this answer you should divide 90 by 18, which gives you the number 5. 90 divided by 18 equals 5. Therefore, the people said 5,10,15,20, all the way up to 90. If the student gives this obvious simple solution to this problem, they are marked wrong even though they solved the problem the most skilled and rational way.

Here is how, with common core, the children are required to solve this problem in not TWO steps (90/18), but in 108 steps:

They are required to draw 18 circles, and put 1 hash mark near each circle until they get to circle 18, loop back to the beginning with another hash mark near each circle to the end, and repeat this until they have drawn 90 total hash marks, and then count how many marks are near each circle. If they do it the mathematically correct way (90/18) they fail.

Folks, using hash marks is the cave man way of doing it, and you won't learn ANYTHING doing it that way. That is how people who know nothing at all about math are forced to do it in totally uneducated regions of the world, IF they are stupid as well as not educated. This is cold hard proof that our educational system is actually training the kids to think like monkeys. If in the 4th grade your educational level is so low that you are required to hash mark out math, you have no education at all and the requirement of doing it this way or face failure is insurance to the global elite that you will attend school, LEARN NOTHING, and fail if you are taught how to do it the correct way elsewhere and insist on doing it right.

After having this new common core method forced on them, fourth graders who got straight A's on internationally standardized math tests in third grade were reduced to C's D's and F's on internationally standardized tests in the fourth grade.

The paper the woman is holding is an example of this, with 18 circles, and 5 has marks next to each circle (starts at the 2:41 mark)

This is why there is NO calculus planned in the curriculum. If kids aren't taught basic, basic math, no way in HELL can they approach calculus.

cruiser Posted - 12/20/2013 12:43:59 PM | show profile | flag this post


I solved that one in my head in about one second.

If that's how they're going to teach simple arithmetic, I'd hate to see the paper on which they show how to solve a quadratic equation. It'd likely be the size of War and Peace and take the student's entire working life.

cruster Posted - 12/20/2013 1:14:13 PM | show profile | flag this post

Why is Obama Causing This?

This is why Obamacare is a joke.

If something isn't done about Benghazi, soon all our water will be fluoridated!

beenthere Posted - 12/20/2013 2:16:57 PM | show profile | flag this post

cruster, this isn't a joke, has nothing to do with the ACA and has nothing to do with political parties.

Do you approve of the way this math lesson is taught?

Do you think it gives kids a solid foothold in basic math?

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/20/2013 2:55:04 PM | show profile | flag this post

Remember "new math?" The one with number lines, groups and all that garbage?

FWIW, calculus has never been a required subject in K-12 -- not sure what's bothering you about it now. While calculus gets a workout in many fields, it doesn't get used much around the house and isn't really necessary for full civic participation.

There is A LOT of reactionary misinformation and outright lying on YouTube, online and in published form about Common Core. It is wise not to buy into it.

Here are the math standards:

Here are the English language arts standards: (Mastery of the the standards for grades 11-2 could wipe out a forum like this one!)

Here is the FAQ about Common Core from Common Core:

beenthere Posted - 12/20/2013 3:05:46 PM | show profile | flag this post


Calculus is the base of science. If someone wants to pursue a science degree, calculus is mandatory.

From your response it is obvious you don't understand the math equation. It asks students to take the time to MAKE 90 HASHLINES instead of using basic division.

I also suggest you look at LESSONS THEMSELVES that are based on common core. Not marketing information promoted on its website. For instance, when buying a car, you ONLY get info directly from the salesman, right? You don't talk to anyone else, such as people who have actually seen and driven and owned the car?

There is a lot of bad info out there. That is true. And almost all of it SUPPORTS the common core.

108 steps to solve 90/18 = 5.

Ludicrous. And you support it?

beenthere Posted - 12/20/2013 3:09:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

PS to GD:

The link I posted above is of a student's mother addressing her son's school board. Taken from a video from the school board meeting.

But you knew that, right? Because you watched it and saw it for yourself before responding to this thread, right?

Of course you didn't.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/20/2013 3:40:06 PM | show profile | flag this post

beenthere, I don't waste a moment on misinformed yet self-righteous individuals who subscribe to conspiracy theories while believing that they themselves are smarter than everybody else around them.

That includes you.

Don't try to bully me. It won't work. Obviously, you love conspiracy theories, and you love ascribing motives and beliefs to strangers on bulletin-board forums whom you don't know from Adam.

I'm sure we've all met people who can't be happy unless they're unhappy. You're one of those people: a complaint box. If you need to keep swinging at me because I don't buy into your complaints and conspiracies, it says more about your character than it does about me.

If all you can do is take the low road, beenthere, you go ahead and take it.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/20/2013 3:45:23 PM | show profile | flag this post

*** Not marketing information promoted on its website. For instance, when buying a car, you ONLY get info directly from the salesman, right? ***

I'm so sorry that you equate an organization's statement of its grade-by-grade education standards with "marketing information."

No wonder you see a bogeyman lurking behind every rock and tree.

beenthere Posted - 12/20/2013 3:52:32 PM | show profile | flag this post

And I suppose when people asked your opinion of Mitt Romney during the 2012 election, you simply told them to go to to get up-to-date and accurate information.

You did that right? You discouraged them from getting information anywhere except for what was posted at Said any other info posted about Romney was false and conspiracy theories? And only info that came directly from his website was to be trusted?

A lesson plan is not a conspiracy. It is a FACT. Stop being ignorant and paranoid.

And start using your BRAIN. LOOK into issues for YOURSELF instead of posting commercial websites and trying to discuss things you have no FIRSTHAND knowledge of.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/20/2013 4:09:06 PM | show profile | flag this post

Oh, my. So you think the Common Core website is a commercial website? It is not. That is why it ends ".org" -- Common Core is not a company, it is a set of curriculum standards.

The organizations (not companies) involved in creating the standards are too many to list here, but they are listed in the FAQ.

I am sorry that you took such great offense to my posting the URLs to the math and language standards and to the FAQ. They were not intended to offend.

beenthere Posted - 12/20/2013 4:21:02 PM | show profile | flag this post

GD, as always, you missed the point entirely. I'm extremely familiar with the site. And with common core in general. Because I've researched it myself, not believed what ONE website told me was truth.

Research. It's work, I know. But it's the only way to gain knowledge. Research. Facts. 90/18 = 5. 2 steps needed.

But I hope gave you all the information you needed to vote last year. No need to look anywhere else, right?

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/20/2013 4:25:18 PM | show profile | flag this post

P.S. I'm actually happy to see Common Core's emphasis on critical thinking. It has gotten progressively more difficult to teach college students over the past decade who came up through No Child Left Behind, which emphasized achievement testing.

You say I have no "FIRSTHAND" (your capital letters) knowledge. You leaped to that conclusion because you don't know anything about me and didn't stop to ask. FYI, I have taught college juniors and seniors every fall and spring semester for the past 12 years. I inherit in my classrooms whatever deficiencies have been wrought by K-12, and therefore have taken great interest in the development Common Core as the antidote to the terrible disservices inflicted on our nation, and our young people in particular, by No Child Left Behind.

What level do you teach, and which subjects? How long have you been teaching? What are you seeing in your own classrooms?

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/20/2013 4:33:44 PM | show profile | flag this post

OK, sorry again -- I can see from your last post that you have no teaching experience, making it equivalent to your news reporting experience.

Got it -- you're one of those people who knows everything about everything and who believes that everyone else is stupid.

You're here to attack. Well, knock yourself out. It says more about your character than it does about me.

mpdodgson Posted - 12/20/2013 8:00:21 PM | show profile | flag this post


"And start using your BRAIN. LOOK into issues for YOURSELF"

Loud words coming from someone who swallowed the "50,000 Russian troops training under FEMA hoax"...and the US Air Force poisoning Americans from the air myth....etc etc

Just saying your credibility leaves much to be desired around here.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/20/2013 9:00:21 PM | show profile | flag this post

Don't forget, mp, that there are mind-control devices planted in our digital TVs.

Me? I heard aircraft last night, and when I awoke this morning, three inches of cold, white powder lay all over the tree branches, bushes, cars, houses, the ground, everything. Supposedly, at 32 degrees F and above the powder breaks down slowly into liquid dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO), a solvent that is fatal if inhaled.

I will check it out on Infowars for the truth.

cruiser Posted - 12/20/2013 9:52:25 PM | show profile | flag this post

Is anyone surprised

that the left wing fringe on here is supporting common core?

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/21/2013 2:01:17 AM | show profile | flag this post

You don't even know what "left wing fringe" is. All you do is mouth the words.

Silly boy!

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/21/2013 2:05:22 AM | show profile | flag this post

And, yes, you're right -- it's much better not to have nationwide standards for core competencies. Randomness keeps everything more exciting!

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/21/2013 2:16:00 AM | show profile | flag this post

Oops! I hear aircraft again. Will it mean more cold, white powder tonight? I hope not. This stuff is dangerous!

cruiser Posted - 12/21/2013 11:23:35 AM | show profile | flag this post

The methods are ridiculous...

I offer as evidence the first post in this thread...and the centralized government control is undesirable.

While a uniform curriculum has merit, it needs to be developed by an impartial body of education professionals, not a political entity.

cruiser Posted - 12/21/2013 11:32:38 AM | show profile | flag this post

Dearie, you marginalize yourself

when all you do is ad hominem attacks. If you can't contribute something material to the topic, it would be better if you restrained yourself.

As the well-known quote of uncertain origin goes, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

And now I would expect you or one of your left wing fringe buds to commit the unoriginal and infantile act of trying to turn these words back on me, plainly indicating that he/she has nothing pertinent to contribute.

Just like an elementary school playground: "I am rubber, you glue...what you say bounces off of me and sticks on you."

mpdodgson Posted - 12/21/2013 12:18:57 PM | show profile | flag this post

Speaking of a lack of an education...

...and the incredible urge to demonize anything and everything FIRST and check out the facts SECOND...

"...and the centralized government control is undesirable." You didn't even bother to check out Gratefuls links. The FAQ one clearly says:

Who leads the Common Core State Standards Initiative?
The nation’s governors and education commissioners, through their representative organizations the National Governors Association (NGA) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO) led the development of the Common Core State Standards and continue to lead the initiative. Teachers, parents, school administrators and experts from across the country together with state leaders provided input into the development of the standards. And....

Who was involved in the Common Core State Standards Initiative?
States across the country collaborated with teachers, researchers, and leading experts to design and develop the Common Core State Standards. Each state independently made the decision to adopt the Common Core State Standards, beginning in 2010. The federal government was NOT involved in the development of the standards. Local teachers, principals, and superintendents lead the implementation of the Common Core.

WHERE is your "centralized government control"???

"While a uniform curriculum has merit, it needs to be developed by an impartial body of education professionals, not a political entity."

IT WAS. Perhaps we wouldn't have these lengthy discussions if certain people had the benefit of some Reading Comp/English curriculums.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 12/21/2013 12:54:33 PM | show profile | flag this post

mp, thanks.

However, you just wrecked it for beenthere and cruiser by quoting the FAQ. Now they're going to be forced to post clever rejoinders stating that all of those organizations and individuals are controlled by Obama. Is it so far-fetched, when you consider the thought-control devices planted into digital TVs -- hence the rush from analog to digital?

And cruiser appears to be dialing up to fine misogynistic fettle just in time for this joyful holiday season of love. No treats for you from Mrs. Claus this year, you little ol' charmer!

cruiser Posted - 12/21/2013 2:14:20 PM | show profile | flag this post

"Local control" of education is a myth

with the teacher's unions and the Obama administration calling the shots...and they indubitably do.

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