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DHS acquires 2700 armored vehicles
Posted - 3/4/2013 10:22:36 AM | show profile | flag this post
to go with the 1.6 BILLION rounds of ammunition they've purchased in the last 10 months.
Mine-resistant armor-protected vehicles??? What in the hell is our government doing??? What does it need these for??? I'm at a TOTAL loss to explain this unless they're planning to start a war on US citizens. Remember...DHS has ZERO jurisdiction outside US borders.
And, of course, the "mainstream" media is being silent on this topic.
Posted - 3/4/2013 10:49:02 AM | show profile | flag this post
one could argue ...
.. if people didn't have access to assault rifles and armour percing bullet, even bazookas, the DHS wouldn't need APCs.
It just the logical reaction to the gun-nuts philosophy.
"Patriots" and "militias" need high-powered weapons to fight a "illegal" government .. so it figures any government would want to protect its law enforcement from the threat of domestic terrorism.
Stupidity breeds stupidity.
America, and its taxpayers, pay the price.
Posted - 3/4/2013 10:53:12 AM | show profile | flag this post
Yes, that must be it. What government wouldn't want to wage war against its taxpayers?
Or perhaps we'll all be rounded up and imprisoned in FEMA re-education camps.
Here's a photo of an armored vehicle in use for ICE Homeland Security Investigations training: http://www.dhs.gov/photo/hsi-using-armored-vehicles-training-ice
Gosh, that is odd that the "mainstream" media aren't all over this. Thank heaven the conspiracy theory websites have it covered.
Posted - 3/4/2013 1:58:32 PM | show profile | flag this post
Wow, just...wow, cruzo...
If you'd slowed down to watch the video, you'd have seen the MRAP carried the markings of the DHS's BORDER PATROL.
Just gotta love right wingers like you whining about border security, then when the BORDER PATROL gets the vehicles and ammo for training and arming our guys along the border -- you claim it's some sort of conspiracy.
For all you right wingers who praised Bush for creating the DHS, you might want to remember that it encompasses a lot of agencies that use a lot of firepower to GUARD THE HOMELAND.
Further, MRAPS are now military surplus. They were specifically designed to combat attacks by IEDs in Iraq and Aghanistan. The military is selling them off to local police departments (also buying them under DHS grants -- which fall under this story). Those police departments have long used armored vehicles for SWAT Teams and drug enforcement. MRAPS are more suited for an urban environment than old-style vehicles they've been using.
Get a freakin' clue!
Posted - 3/4/2013 2:54:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
THEY'RE COMING FOR US!!!
It's clear the fluoridated water crowd is poised to attack! Only a brave bold hero like cruiser could point out that this is all about DHS coming to get us. And the article points out this is the "Obama DHS".
He has his OWN Dept. of Homeland Security!! What homeland? Kenya?!!!
And now we won't have AR-15s to shoot varmints for food thanks to Obamacare.
Don your foil hats! To arms! The black helicopters are swooping low to fake moon landing us into conspiracy!!! Area 51!
Posted - 3/4/2013 3:32:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
"DHS's BORDER PATROL"
That would be one MRAP for every three-quarters of a mile along the entire 1900 mile border. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to build an impenetrable fence then patrol it with existing vehicles.
But you left wingers...like Obama...are thinking spend, spend,spend. Bust the budget then complain to Americans that Republicans are to blame.
Posted - 3/4/2013 3:58:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
Deflect Brave cruiser!
You're post and premise have been proven wrong. Deflect!!
Change the subject!!
Let your foil hat block the liberal media with its "facts" and "accuracy" and "confirmation".
It's clear DHS is coming for heroes like you. I blame the media elit, Obama, fluoridated water, and the UN.
They fear you. Quick! To the basement!!
Posted - 3/4/2013 4:18:11 PM | show profile | flag this post
Nice try Paranoid Skippy.
The vehicles are retro-fitted war surplus, not brand new. Domestic contract too (West Point, Mississippi). I'd rather see them see put to good use than sitting mothballed and rusting away somewhere.
"along the entire 1900 mile border..." No...the US border is 7,458 miles long. Screws up your math I know.
And the DHS includes the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Federal Emergency Management Agency, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Transportation Security Administration, United States Coast Guard. National Protection and Programs Directorate, and oh yea, the United States Secret Service.
But if you want to think Obama personally bought one to park outside your house so he can sieze your guns--knock yourself out.
Posted - 3/5/2013 12:45:20 PM | show profile | flag this post
How many armored vehicles does DHS presently have? Are they old and being retired? Or are these the first vehicles the DHS will have?
If they are being used for border patrol/immigration issues, it's odd that this isn't MSM news. Immigration issues are a HOT topic right now. I would think this would be worthy of a CNN story to show that the administration is on top of border issues.
Posted - 3/5/2013 1:25:32 PM | show profile | flag this post
well, maybe the people who plan stories at CNN..
don't agree with what you think..
maybe they understand these vehicles are pretty much perfect for what the border patrol needs..
tough vehicles built to withstand heavy usage in terrain and driving conditions for a long time..you obviously have never followed the border patrol, or ridden with them, chasing illedgal immigrants and drug smugglers throught the canyons and deserts of the southwest..
i have..several times..in those conditions, you can go through one helluva lot of explorers and expeditions in one helluva hurry..they just aren't built to take that punishment..
Posted - 3/5/2013 2:12:47 PM | show profile | flag this post
So the DHS is definitely going to use them for border patrol? Is that true?
How many do they have now, actively, at the borders?
I don't have time today to look this up, so I was asking a question seeking a fact-based answer.
Does anyone know?
Posted - 3/5/2013 4:24:40 PM | show profile | flag this post
When was the last time...
CNN did a story on DHS purchasing patrol cars? Or body armor?
Purchasing equipment to do an agency's job is not a story.
These are MRAPs -- not tanks.
They are not designed for assault. They are buses. They replaced the up-armored Humvee in Iraq and Afghanistan.
They are designed to protect the people inside from IEDs.
Their armor will stop a .50 cal round.
Remember, DHS is a HUGE Department -- third largest behind the Defense Department and VA.
It has more than 200,000 employees.
In addition to the Border Patrol, DHS also includes the Secret Service, Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, ICE, Domestic Nuclear Detection, the former Nuclear Incident Response Team, Federal Protective Services (which guards civilian federal facilities and some DoD agencies), what was formerly the National Biological Warfare Defense Analysis Center.
Basically, if anything bad -- along the lines of 9/11 -- it is the DHS that will respond. DHS is charged with responding to any nuclear, biological or chemical attack on U.S. soil.
Yeah, their guys deserve the same protection as NCO's in Iraq deserved when it hits the fan.
If you don't like it.
You should have said something back in 2001 when the Bush administration decided to set up DHS.
Posted - 3/5/2013 4:32:52 PM | show profile | flag this post
beenthere.. right now, they have very few..
but now that we have two wars coming to an end, there are thousands of surplus military vehicles available for acquisition by other branches of the federal, state, and local law enforcement communities..
as someone else mentioned.. wold you rather have these vehicles out there doing necessary jobs, or would you rather have them sitting out in massive storage yards somewhere, rusting away?
not a hard choice for me..and frankly, not much of a news story, either..
Posted - 3/5/2013 5:01:26 PM | show profile | flag this post
For that matter
I honestly don't know how many rifles the US Army has. Or how many operational planes the US Air Force has. Or how many, at this moment how many ships the US Navy has on patrol (or 'boats' because that's what they call the subs). I'd guess it's a lot in all categories. I honestly also don't know either how many local police departments out there in all 50 states have SWAT gear.
What I do know is stuff like this is not worth constant media attention, CNN or anyone else. And I also know I'm going to sleep tonight not worrying about some massive well armed government black ops army invading my neighborhood.
Where are you comin from beenthere? You demand a specific answer to every single question?? And if you don't get it, it MUST be a conspiracy?? They're surplus vehicles for chrissakes. Put them to good use. And please, calm down.
Posted - 3/5/2013 6:02:09 PM | show profile | flag this post
Stop with the conspiracy nonsense already every time I ask a SIMPLE question. It's tiresome and frankly, is starting to make you look afraid of anyone who asks a question, when instead of answering with facts, you yell conspiracy!
I was asking a QUESTION about DHS and its use of armored vehicles, since I have no knowledge of this topic.
In the vein:
Company A is making a large purchase. Are these replacement items? Are these new items? What will the company do with these items?
Explain how that is a conspiracy, please. Some reading comprehension and a little less defensiveness when reading posts would do you some good.
The "CNN" angle was simply a thought that if they are being used for IMMIGRATION/BORDER control, as had been speculated (But Not Proved), that is would have been a story about the feds protecting the U.S. on its own soil with military equipment.
THAT would be the story, given the hot debate regarding illegals in this country. NOT the purchase in itself.
DHS is not military, army , navy, etc. You can't compare them.
From what has been posted here, NO ONE knows how DHS will use them. Everything posted in this thread has been speculation.
I am looking for FACT. Not speculation, not conspiracy bullshit (mp).
Posted - 3/5/2013 6:34:28 PM | show profile | flag this post
I'm sorry beenthere.
Ain't gonna fly. We've all had it up to the proverbial 'here' with your conspiracy bullshit. Especially with your constant rants about the drug companies. (Flouride a plot?? Seriously??)
You use questions more than we use vowels. You could look it up you know before you cast some nefarious shadow over it. Just because a news outfit--any news outfit--doesn't cover something doesn't make them part of the Skull and Bones or the New World Order. The DHS story is a classic example. Department of (wait for it) Homeland Security, buys material for Homeland Security. Used material at that. WHY?!?! WHAT FOR?!?!
You constantly rant against the dreaded incompetant media not looking at PRIMARY sources (like secondary sources don't matter). Well then, you do it. "I am looking for FACT". Fine. Who's stopping you?? You want "tiresome"?? Conspiracy bullshit is tiresome, and that's what you dish out.
Posted - 3/6/2013 9:32:46 AM | show profile | flag this post
You're right. It doesn't fly.
I've realized that if I ask a question to which YOU do not know the answer, you yell conspiracy. The problem is not with me, but with you.
This ENTIRE THREAD is speculation, except for the TITLE of this thread, yet the one poster asking for facts surrounding it is the one who has a problem?
If you were doing a story on it, you would have no questions? You'd just write "Government Purchase" and leave the rest of the column blank, end of story?
Great reporting skills.
You debate speculation here every day. Speculation, not information. So keep speculating away. Because that IS what conspiracies are based on, not facts.
What I've learned from mp: When ignorant of facts, just yell conspiracy. Then you don't ever have to be informed about anything as you have been absolved of learning facts.
P.S. Where did I EVER say fluoride was a plot? I provided factual information regarding its history of being added to the water supply. History.
Do you believe history is now a conspiracy too? Is there anything you do NOT think is a conspiracy?
Posted - 3/6/2013 11:58:26 AM | show profile | flag this post
You apparently believe that all of us work for you. That when you post one of your "look what just fell from the sky and hit me in the head" claims, we should drop our income-producing work to provide FACTs to back it up for you, no matter that it's preposterous or has been debunked, which you probably already discovered. You are, in short, acting like a presumptuous whack job. Don't act like a presumptuous whack job. Everybody's time is valuable. If you don't know what research is, or what credible websites are, that's not anybody's problem but your own. Go ask your local librarian for a lesson.
Oh, look -- a meteor! PROVE I didn't see it! If you can't or won't, then obviously what I posted is true!
Posted - 3/6/2013 1:08:06 PM | show profile | flag this post
I do not believe anyone here works for me. And I am not quite sure why you are saying that.
I admitted I know nothing about the DHS use of armored vehicles.
In this post, I asked three basic questions relevant to the topic.
I said I did not have time (yesterday) to look for the information myself.
How is it possible for anyone to take offense to that?
How are questions directly relevant to the topic strange?
I assumed since people were discussing the topic, that they might have knowledge I did not.
But that was not the case. The entire thread is speculation.
And you, instead of seeing the lack of solid information, see me as a "whack job" for trying to learn more. Do you see how hypocritical that is?
Perhaps I should speculate at will like all the other posters, and remain in ignorance.
Posted - 3/6/2013 1:22:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
beenthere.. back on track.. sorta..
the video i've seen of some of those vehicles already had the border patrol markings painted on..
Posted - 3/6/2013 1:50:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
The DHS is one of the biggest boondoggles EVER...
Let's not forget it was started by Bush as an overreaction to terrorism. I didn't see the right wingers about having to take their shoes off at airports or calling Ridge insane when he advised people to buy plastic sheeting and duct tape to seal up their homes. I agree they have gone way to far but this is not Obama's creation...
Posted - 3/6/2013 10:47:53 PM | show profile | flag this post
beenthere -- So you are saying that you're not a presumptuous, insulting, media-bashing, conspiracy-loving twit but instead are merely a poor human soul lacking in social skills? OK, I'll buy that. It still doesn't give me or anybody else the time to do your homework for you.