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Despite Obama claims
Posted - 8/30/2013 1:21:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
the IRS targeting of conservative groups is far from a "phony scandal."
The IRS is STILL hassling Tea Party Patriots with demands for ever more information.
The brass of Obama Democrats is mind-boggling.
Posted - 8/30/2013 1:22:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
Omitted the link
Posted - 8/30/2013 1:25:14 PM | show profile | flag this post
Oh, the Washington Times!
There's a reliable news organization. Look, the fact is the IRS was looking for groups who have political leanings but were trying to declare themselves non-profits. They looked at both liberal and conservative groups. They took a shortcut because of the sequester. This has been debunked for months. Seriously, try to keep up with the people who are actually informed.
Posted - 8/30/2013 1:50:02 PM | show profile | flag this post
"They looked at both liberal and conservative groups"
Only AFTER the IG report and the investigation was well underway. It was purely a backfill to offer a pretense of fairness.
Posted - 8/30/2013 7:22:06 PM | show profile | flag this post
The "One Article" Theory
Like global cooling, cruiser maintains it only takes one article to prove his point. Mountains of evidence to the contrary can be summarily dismissed.
One Time magazine article in 1976 proved we are entering a new ice age.
Thousands of articles and mountains of scientific evidence that the global climate is warming and that man's use of fossil fuels is contributing or even causing this; dismissed.
One Washington Times article that the IRS was targeting the Tea Party and that claims they were also targeting progressive groups is just a convenient cover up is proof enough.
All the other evidence, testimony, documentation; dismissed.
The brass is indeed mind-boggling.
Posted - 8/31/2013 11:37:53 AM | show profile | flag this post
It WAS a phony scandal
Built on nothing but wingnut internet hoaxes and a Congressman who waned his 15 or 20 minutes of fame. Done. No there there. Outside of you cruise (and Drudge and Fox), who is actually talking about this?
proudliberal repeated what evryone has said for months; "Look, the fact is the IRS was looking for groups who have political leanings but were trying to declare themselves non-profits. "
That means Cons/Repub or Dem/Libs. If you're blatently political (whatever side) you should not have non-profit status. That's the law now, it was the law then, and it should be the enforced law moving forward.
You are LYING when you repeatedly say the IRS was "conservativwe groups". One more time:
Rep. Peter Roskam, R-IL: "How come only conservative groups got snagged?"
IRS commissioner Steve Miller: "They didn't sir. Organizations of all walks and all persuasions were pulled in. That's shown by the fact that only 70 of the 300 organizations were tea party organizations, of the ones that were looked at"
And you thought this was a "new" topic why??
Posted - 8/31/2013 12:10:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
so-called "progressive" groups were only scrutinized AFTER the IG report and AFTER the congressional investigation was well underway...when the media began reporting that the IRS was targeting conservative groups. So-called "evidence" that would purport to show attention to progressive groups was manufactured as backfill.
And it's telling that only a VERY small handful of progressive groups was denied tax exempt status while DOZENS of conservative groups were placed in limbo with NO determinations...some for as long as THREE YEARS.
The IRS' own regulations called for action on these applications within 180 days. The very fact that determinations for these groups were held up for more than six times the required action period...preventing them from carrying out their organizational mandates...is de facto evidence of bias on the part of the IRS.
Even arch-liberal Jeff Cohen, founder of the far left Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) sees the danger in the IRS' actions. He said, "From my perspective, if the IRS can hold up legitimate Tea Party applications today and get away with it, then who knows if progressive groups will be held up and specially scrutinized in a few years. It's utterly unacceptable."
Posted - 8/31/2013 12:13:31 PM | show profile | flag this post
"And you thought this was a "new" topic why??"
It's NOT a new topic but one your party and political brethren would like to sweep under the rug. I'm trying to make sure it remains in the public conscionsness and that the sordid facts of political bias and official meddling are well known to everyone.
Posted - 8/31/2013 12:39:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
well, cruiztwit, i'm sure you've done your job..
the 13 people who actually read this site have heard you loud and clear..
none of them believe you.. but they heard you..
Posted - 8/31/2013 3:11:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
people who are actually informed know the irs used two different standards- one for liberal groups- and stricter standards for tea party/conservative groups. republican donors were also singled out and had private info released and in a few cases leaked to liberal bloggers.
"And you thought this was a "new" topic why??"
because there are those who only beleeverate what they see on msnbc or read on daily kos.
Posted - 8/31/2013 3:33:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** people who are actually informed know the irs ... ***
Riiight. "Informed" by right-wing fringe and conspiracy-theory websites.
Posted - 8/31/2013 7:36:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
There never was any "there" there.
Issa has even disappeared from Fox. At one point he was on for nine straight nights. Go figure. Even they recognize the "IRS targeting conservative groups" WAS A LIE. Someone here seriously needs an anvil dropped on his head.
I have continually posted actual Congressional that unequivocally states the IRS never went after, hunted down, or targeted a group because of their political leanings. They were simply doing their job. They were looking at purely political groups that claimed they weren't that for tax reasons. I have also continully said I have no problem with that. Whether the PAC is headed up by Karl Rove or Al Gore, these organizations should not have tax exempt status. Period.
(BTW, you do know that lying before Congress is sort of a no-no, right? Funny how that guy was never served with a summons for his (in your world, outrageous lie) "Organizations of all walks and all persuasions were pulled in. That's shown by the fact that only 70 of the 300 organizations were tea party organizations, of the ones that were looked at"
That's why the story died, because it never should have been a story in the first place, never mind another "scandal". If anything, I wish we had more stories about government agencies actually doing their job.
cruise quoting some liberal (from OUTSIDE of government) saying "From my perspective ..." doesn't mean squat now does it? From my perspective everything cruise says is bullsh*t, so take that to that to the bank. con is even worse; "people who are actually informed know the irs used two different standards..." Fine. Show us how "actually informed" people know that. Give us the testimony. Give us the facts. I gave all of you the IRS rules dated from the Bush Admin. If you have some secret directives the world doesn't know about, we'd love to read about it.
Posted - 9/3/2013 10:23:19 AM | show profile | flag this post
Cruzo, you're wrong...
when you say: "Only AFTER the IG report and the investigation was well underway."
The initial IG report only looked into whether TEA Party groups were targeted. Only after that investigation, did the IG's office go back and learn that the same criteria had been applied -- during the same time -- for liberal groups.
Why was this? Because, in calling for the IRS investigation, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) directed the Inspector General to ignore any liberal groups. He wanted the investigation limited to conservative groups.
Only after the report was released, the IG testified that liberal groups had also been targeted at the SAME time.
Posted - 9/3/2013 12:27:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) directed the Inspector General..."
etwinkie is certifiably nuts if he thinks a congressional committee can direct an agency's inspector general to do anything. The IGs don't work for Issa or the committee...they have their own chains of command.
He's trying to paper over the fact of the IRS' bias to give its alibi...that all groups were treated equally...some traction.
Posted - 9/3/2013 1:29:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
I've spent 17 years covering the federal government in Washington, DC for an international audience.
Even by your standards I am light years ahead of you on knowing how it works.
First, the Inspectors General DO NOT work for their respective "chains of command" as you claim. They are INDEPENDENT of those departments, though they may be appointed by the President or the head of the Department.
In the case of the Inspector General in question here: Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration -- the IG functions independently of the Department and all other Treasury offices and bureaus -- and reports to both the Secretary of the Treasury AND CONGRESS.
As such, Rep Darrell Issa (R-CA), as Chairman of the House Oversight Committee can and DID ask the TIGTA to limit his investigation to ONLY conservative groups. TIGTA Russell George later, through a spokesman, confirmed that House Republicans limited the scope of his investigation.
A couple of key passages if you don't want to read the article:
"A spokesman for Russell George, Treasury’s inspector general for tax administration, said they were asked by House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) 'to narrowly focus on Tea Party organizations.'”
"The spokesman for the Treasury inspector general noted their audit acknowledged there were other watch lists. But the spokesman added: 'We did not review the use, disposition, purpose or content of the other BOLOs. That was outside the scope of our audit.'”
I'm surprised you didn't know this. It was all over the news when it broke back in June -- turning the IRS nonsense into a phony scandal for Obama -- and a real one for Issa.