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Do you even know what's in Obamacare?

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etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/5/2012 2:47:04 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Try taking this test from the Kaiser Family Foundation to see just what you know. http://healthreform.kff.org/quizzes/health-reform-quiz.aspx?source=QL Ten questions. Disclaimer, from the Foundation's website: "We [the Kaiser Family Foundation] serve as a non-partisan source of facts, information, and analysis for policymakers, the media, the health care community, and the public. Our product is information, always provided free of charge — from the most sophisticated policy research, to basic facts and numbers, to information young people can use to improve their health or elderly people can use to understand their Medicare benefits. "The Kaiser Family Foundation is not associated with Kaiser Permanente or Kaiser Industries."

thesecondcoming	Posted - 7/5/2012 2:53:23 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Yes I do.... Nancy Pelosi doesn't know. Neither does the Kaiser Family Foundation. The questions are broad general questions that make it sound to good to be true. And it is.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/5/2012 4:06:19 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Obviously, secondcoming... not only do you NOT know what's in the law -- you're afraid to find out. You'd rather rely on folks like Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh -- neither of whom have actually read the law -- to inform you. Ignorance is bliss!

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/5/2012 4:34:41 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Yeehaw! Reading and listening pay off -- I got all of the right. Did you read the analysis? Apparently Fox News is doing a poor job of educating its viewers about what's in the Affordable Care Act.

cruiser	Posted - 7/5/2012 4:52:37 PM \| show profile \| flag this post The most important point concerning the Kaiser Family Foundation is that, while originally established by industrialist Henry J Kaiser, it is now controlled by George Kaiser...the Obama donor and bundler who headed the ill-fated Solyndra solar energy company that received a half-billion dollars in federal grants, only to declare bankruptcy a few months later. The Kaiser Family Foundation has no...repeat, NO...connection to Kaiser Permanente, the large hospital and health care provider in California and other states.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/5/2012 7:50:04 PM \| show profile \| flag this post It is also non-partisan... sorry if fair and balanced doesn't give you a reflection of the world view you want. Take the test. If you can provide documentation proving ANY of their answers wrong -- they will be waiting to hear from you.

cruiser	Posted - 7/5/2012 8:14:13 PM \| show profile \| flag this post You've got to know this... even if you won't admit it publicly...that if George Kaiser runs it there's no way in the world it non-partisan. Use your head for something more than a way to keep space between your ears.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/5/2012 8:54:27 PM \| show profile \| flag this post They're not trick questions. They're straightforward multiple choice.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/5/2012 9:10:04 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Kaiser organized Kaiser Permanente health care for his workers and their families. ... In 1948, Kaiser established the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation, (also known as Kaiser Family Foundation), a U.S.-based, non-profit, private operating foundation focusing on the major health care issues facing the nation. The Foundation, not associated with Kaiser Permanente or Kaiser Industries, is an independent voice and source of facts and analysis for policymakers, the media, the health care community, and the general public." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_J._Kaiser) Members of the foundation's board include William Frist, Republican majority leader in the Senate from 2003 until his retirement in 2007. George Kaiser is not on the board of trustees. The George Kaiser Family Foundation, based in Tulsa, is not the Kaiser Family Foundation, based in Menlo Park, Calif.

mpdodgson	Posted - 7/5/2012 9:17:39 PM \| show profile \| flag this post I noticed the two resident wingnuts didn't even to bother to answer the question. Should tell you something. When Americans are specifically asked about he ACA, an especially the provisions that have alreay kicked in--they're all for it... But...but but...but that's not IMPORTANT!! This Kaiser thing is!! It's an Obama Front!! Conspiracy I tell ya!! Besies they make 'aluminum foil hats', and we prefer the 'tin foil' ones--keeps out all the alien controlling death rays donchaknow...

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/5/2012 9:22:36 PM \| show profile \| flag this post The cons on here are terrified of this multiple choice quiz. But I sure our "casual readers" have taken the test -- and understand why cruzo, secondcoming and their minions are frightened of this. It's especially interesting that cruzo has tried to pin this on the GEORGE Kaiser foundation -- instead of the actual author. Cruzo, our "casual readers" can read the fear in your posts!

thesecondcoming	Posted - 7/6/2012 9:34:30 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Wrong again I did read and answer the questions. The questions are so slanted and general. It would be nice if they got specific. But that won't happen, because they and the liberals don't want us to know the specifics.

thesecondcoming	Posted - 7/6/2012 9:47:39 AM \| show profile \| flag this post And another point Obamacare is THOUSANDS of pages long. 10 slanted questions in favor of Obamacare, hardly serves as a barometer of the law. We could easily choose ten questions the slant Obamacare into a negative light. For instance, do people know that the fine paid by the employer for not providing insurance is thousands of dollars LESS than the cost of providing health insurance? That's a detail you won't see brought out by liberals, because it was designed to show how evil employers are for not providing health insurance.

beenthere	Posted - 7/6/2012 9:58:44 AM \| show profile \| flag this post For instance, do people know that the fine paid by the employer for not providing insurance is thousands of dollars LESS than the cost of providing health insurance? ____ Fir instance, do you know that if employers choose to accept the fine and not offer health insurance, they will have to raise salaries across the board so that employees will be able to afford to purchase their own healthcare effectively meeting the full financial obligation of if they had a health insurance policy in the first place? Not many would bother with an employer that doesn't offer health insurance. It's indicative of an employer that doesn't have a clue regarding employees work-life balance and would be a huge red flag as to other employee-friendly policies.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/6/2012 10:17:16 AM \| show profile \| flag this post The questions are fair and balanced... they do go to the ignorance of most people who have shaped their opinion of health care reform based on the left and right wing echo chambers. Simply because the facts presented by this quiz doesn't fit to your world view does not make them "slanted." The mis-information you've clung to for 3 years is what is actually slanted.

cruiser	Posted - 7/6/2012 12:18:37 PM \| show profile \| flag this post You left wingers can try with all your might to alibi George Kaiser and his minions. But the people here who are NOT knee-jerk left wing partisans see right through it.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/6/2012 1:20:53 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Cruzo is the knee-jerk... without the knee. Did you not read what GD posted: "George Kaiser is not on the board of trustees. The George Kaiser Family Foundation, based in Tulsa, is not the Kaiser Family Foundation, based in Menlo Park, Calif." You're failure to read a basic fact has killed your credibility on this issue with our "casual readers," cruzo. Next time, inform yourself before trying to link this quiz to the WRONG organization.

thesecondcoming	Posted - 7/6/2012 3:39:16 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Are there Ethics Panel's in Obamacare? The answer is yes. These ethics panels will determine if medical care will be given to someone over the age of 75. This could have easily been one of the questions on the "quiz", but somehow it didn't make the quiz. I wonder why?

beenthere	Posted - 7/6/2012 3:45:02 PM \| show profile \| flag this post These ethics panels will determine if medical care will be given to someone over the age of 75. ____ What do you think INSURANCE COMPANIES do EVERY HOUR of EVERY DAY? THEY DECIDE WHO GETS MEDICAL CARE AND WHO DOESN'T. Are you really that stupid??? Do you think INSURANCE COMPANIES give authorization to everyone all the time?? Google HUMANA. Seriously, find GOOGLE.COM and then type in HUMANA. WOW, just wow. The absolute stupidity of some posters on this board is breathtaking and jawdropping.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/6/2012 5:10:18 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Seriously, secondcoming... before you post an outlandish claim like that you really need to check Snopes. http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/over75.asp This is a long running urban legend that is 100% false.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/6/2012 8:48:27 PM \| show profile \| flag this post *Next time, inform yourself before trying to link this quiz to the WRONG organization. * A little more information: Henry J. Kaiser was born in New York state, the son of Frank Kaiser, a shoemaker, and his wife, Mary Yops. Henry J. had two sons, Edgar F. and Henry J. Jr. Henry J. Jr., born in Everett, Wash., had one son (Henry J. III) and two daughters who married man whose surnames were not Kaiser (Janie Lee and Marylou). Edgar F., born in Portland, Ore., had adult children with these names: Henry M. Kaiser, Gretchen Gudgell, Becky Drobac, Kim John Kaiser, Edgar F. Kaiser Jr. and Carlyn Stark. George Kaiser was born in Tulsa, Okla. He attended public schools in Tulsa. After graduation from Harvard, he returned to Tulsa to work for the family business founded by his uncle and parents, all of them Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany who settled in Oklahoma. There appears to be no connection, familial or business, between George Kaiser and Henry J. Kaiser.

orthicon	Posted - 7/6/2012 8:58:58 PM \| show profile \| flag this post only in cruiztwit's mind is there a connection.. one of many totally invalid "connections" he's made over the past couple of years.. "..there are none so blind as he who WILL NOT see.."

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/7/2012 11:36:59 AM \| show profile \| flag this post cruiser, aren't you going to call me names, attack my intelligence and character, assign me to a political party you hate and drag me around in the mud for looking up facts? I feel so neglected!

cruiser	Posted - 7/7/2012 12:31:15 PM \| show profile \| flag this post No, I won't respond until you post something that contributes to discussion. I've decided it's pointless to argue with you committed left wingers. None of you are receptive to facts...all you can do is regurgitate the left wing talking points.

orthicon	Posted - 7/7/2012 12:45:39 PM \| show profile \| flag this post translation of the above to english from cruiztwit speak.. i've been caught in another indefensible lie, so i'm just gonna pretend i never said it..