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Grateful Deadline	Posted - 6/19/2012 3:10:24 PM \| show profile \| flag this post But the longer he stays quiet, the more Hispanic support he's losing. This needs further explanation so that nobody misconstrues the reason for losing Hispanic support. It is not because of support for illegal immigration.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 6/19/2012 3:29:20 PM \| show profile \| flag this post That's true, Grateful... the rightwingers on here confuse "Hispanic American citizen" with "illegal alien." Two completely different things. As different as, I don't know, say -- auto warranties and auto insurance?

cruiser	Posted - 6/19/2012 5:39:36 PM \| show profile \| flag this post If you weren't willfully stupid I wouldn't call you willfully stupid. Or maybe you're just plain stupid. Look back at how you misconstrued my post and then you make the call.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 6/19/2012 8:08:55 PM \| show profile \| flag this post We had a thread here just last week, cruzo... where your right wing buddies blasted American born Hispanics. It's important we put that disclaimer out there for you and your buddies (alternate personalities) right away. It's destroying your side's credibility with the "casual readers." It was, however, interesting to see Rubio withdraw his bill today -- because it would benefit Obama.

stopbs--	Posted - 6/19/2012 10:40:52 PM \| show profile \| flag this post etaoin, Your comment was inflammatory and uncalled for. No one on the right confuses legal Hispanic-Americans with illegal immigrants. There is no reason for anyone to do that and no reason for you to make that false claim. Would you care to take a stab at answering what no one on the left has ever answered here? Why do you think it is okay for people who are sneaking into our country illegally to stay here, while those who are attempting to get in by following the law have to wait on line? How is this fair?

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 6/19/2012 11:20:51 PM \| show profile \| flag this post If you weren't willfully stupid I wouldn't call you willfully stupid. Or maybe you're just plain stupid. Look back at how you misconstrued my post and then you make the call. FYI, this statement made you the laughingstock of lurkers today. Congratulations on your brilliance!

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 6/19/2012 11:21:56 PM \| show profile \| flag this post **No one on the right confuses legal Hispanic-Americans with illegal immigrants. There is no reason for anyone to do that and no reason for you to make that false claim.>> That's not a "false claim" -- take it from me as the object of them.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 6/19/2012 11:24:57 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Would you care to take a stab at answering what no one on the left has ever answered here? Why do you think it is okay for people who are sneaking into our country illegally to stay here, while those who are attempting to get in by following the law have to wait on line? How is this fair? How about this question: Why are you demanding that anyone "on the left" should answer questions about what they don't support?

mpdodgson	Posted - 6/20/2012 8:29:55 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Twp things; First; "No one on the right confuses legal Hispanic-Americans with illegal immigrants." Well, that's not true at all. This goes to the very heart of the problem many of those in and out of the Latino community have--it CAN BE racial, and that "confusion" goes on all the time. That's why "Stop and show me your papers" laws are so offensive. How many times do cops or the INS pull over a group of white college kids because one of them looks "Lithuanian"?? On the other hand, American born Hispanics are pulled over quite often because of how they look. When I was working In Florida our production manager (born and bred Orange Cnty--but definitely Hispanic in appearance) was stopped "to show his green card" every other month. And--"Would you care to take a stab at answering what no one on the left has ever answered here? Why do you think it is okay for people who are sneaking into our country illegally to stay here, while those who are attempting to get in by following the law have to wait on line? How is this fair? Yea--I'll take a stab at it--You guys make it sound like Immigration was like the DMV, take a number, sit down and wait your turn. One more time, we're not talking about those "sneaking into our country illegally"--we're talking about kids who were brought here as toddlers, and have worked their butts off to make something of themselves. Not to mention those who serve in our Armed Forces--and still don't get to vote. These people are a great BENEFIT to our society--NOT a detriment. So, do I think those people--go back and read the provisions/rules of the Dream Act again if you have to--do I think those people should advance faster than say a guy jumping the fence in Arizona?? Hell yes. The faster these wonderful people become tax-paying productive citizens the better off we all are.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 6/20/2012 9:05:49 AM \| show profile \| flag this post stopbs... I challenge you to read the thread here slugged "GOP Blasted for anti-Hispanic rhetoric." You'll find your fellow conservative posters blasting former Bush Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for saying the exact same thing as I did -- that the right has gone beyond criticizing undocumented aliens to attacking ALL people of Hispanic descent. Read the posts and you will find the anger in their voices and their inability to distinguish between citizens and illegal immigrants. If you tune in the cable news channels during the day, you'll also see ads from FAIR (I blieve) critical of LEGAL immigrants stealing American jobs. I do NOT favor illegal immigration. I do, however, believe that the issue has been hijacked by some on the right to advance racist agendas. That is my chief criticism. But our immigration system is broken. It is far too complicated and expensive for immigrants to enter the country legally. That's why it's happening illegally.

cruiser	Posted - 6/20/2012 11:22:31 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Let's get a few things straight The reason cops don't stop a group of white kids is that white kids usually are not a problem. If you're even the least bit honest you MUST agree that 100 percent of the terrorism is/was attempted/conducted by Muslim men (with the sole exception of Jose Padilla, a Muslim wannabe) and virtually 100 percent of the illegals crossing the Southest border are Mestizos of Mexican or Central American origin. The best way for cops to prevent or rectify problems is to concentrate on where the problems exist. Those innocents who happen to get scrutinized should understand and be thankful that their safety is being protected as well. But the willful blindness of liberals who want to be "fair" is the cause of such ridiculous policies as TSA strip-searching blonde pre-pubescent girls and 86-year-old grandmonthers so they won't be accused of profiling by thin-skinned individuals like Grateful Dud.

cruiser	Posted - 6/20/2012 11:25:51 AM \| show profile \| flag this post "attacking ALL people of Hispanic descent" That is a false and malicisous charge and a cynical attempt to manufacture a campaign issue where none exists. NO ONE is attacking ANY citizen or legal resident. Your perpetual dishonesty is the reason you have ZERO credibility on here.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 6/20/2012 12:09:22 PM \| show profile \| flag this post The reason cops don't stop a group of white kids is that white kids usually are not a problem. Oh, really? White kids are little angels? Let's see about that. White Teens Murder Black Man In MS (Graphic Warning) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPbMsZM-eO4 Three White Teenages Arrested in Attack of Black Classmates with a Noose: http://highbridnation.com/2012/01/31/three-white-teenages-arrested-in-attack-of-black-classmates-with-a-noose/ White Teenager Who Drove Over and Killed Black Man Is Sentenced to Life: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/us/teenager-who-murdered-black-man-is-sentenced-to-life.html Teens Brutally Beat Asian Boy While Calling Him N-Word: http://newsone.com/1801685/video-white-teens-brutally-beat-asian-boy-while-calling-him-n-word/ 2 White Teenagers Stab Black Delivery Woman from Dominos Pizza 50 Times – Kill Her: http://dewgeneral.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/2-white-teenagers-stab-black-delivery-woman-from-dominos-pizza-50-times-kill-her/ Lakeville teens arrested for racist vandalism: http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/08/lakeville_racist_vandalism_five_teens_arrested.php Graffiti has residents seething: http://www.tnonline.com/2012/jun/11/graffiti-has-residents-seething 4 Teens Arrested For Vandalism Spree In Lindenhurst: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/04/4-teens-arrested-for-vandalism-spree-in-lindenhurst/ Researching might help to keep you from making stupid statements, cruiser.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 6/20/2012 12:10:39 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Then again, it might not. You seem to be in love with your ignorance.

cruiser	Posted - 6/20/2012 12:20:17 PM \| show profile \| flag this post What you failed to list are incidents of black on white crime...which are considerable in number. You're another of the dishonest left wingers on here.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 6/20/2012 12:28:31 PM \| show profile \| flag this post *You're another of the dishonest left wingers on here.* Oh, I see -- we're playing an MB Forums version "Let's Make Up Stories About Strangers Riding With Us on BART." How fun and clever you are! My mom taught me the game on the NYC subway when I was 4 years old. Let's roll with it, old dearie buddy pal! People over grade-school age so seldom free themselves for nonsense play -- you are a wizard for sure!

cruiser	Posted - 6/20/2012 1:04:02 PM \| show profile \| flag this post You were obviously unable to refute my previous post pointing out your dishonesty so you resort to unintelligible bullsh*t.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 6/20/2012 1:45:40 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Cruzo, one-man ventriloquist act! He's able to talk out both sides of his two faces at once! He said: "NO ONE is attacking ANY citizen or legal resident." In a post immediately below his post claiming that ALL terrorists are Muslim and therefore all Muslims -- citizen or not -- should be suspect. Just as since the second largest number of immigrants are Hispanics -- all Hispanics should be questioned about their legal residency here. You're blowing your credibility with our "casual readers" here, cruzo.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 6/20/2012 1:58:10 PM \| show profile \| flag this post **my previous post pointing out your dishonesty so you resort to unintelligible bullsht.** Au contraire, little dearie buddy pal. My posting refuting your dishonesty was completely honest. It did, however, come from about 10 seconds of research, which turned up a plethora of articles about white kids causing crime and other trouble. You'll need to harass somebody else into putting facts behind your broad-brush white racist statement. That's not my department.

cruiser	Posted - 6/20/2012 2:01:33 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "That's not my department" Yeah, I get it. When confronted with facts you can't refute, you bail out.

cruiser	Posted - 6/20/2012 2:10:27 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "claiming that ALL terrorists are Muslim and therefore all Muslims -- citizen or not -- should be suspect." Just one more of the daily examples of your unconscionable dishonesty and politically-motivated distortion and hyperbole. Go back and re-read what I posted. Oh wait! You need some remedial reading education first so you can understand written English.

cruiser	Posted - 6/20/2012 2:17:44 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Oh, and as regards casual readers they wrote you off long ago as a mindless tool of the radical left wing, pal.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 6/20/2012 3:12:08 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Let's just repost that racist rant of cruzo's... for the "casual readers" out there: "100 percent of the terrorism is/was attempted/conducted by Muslim men (with the sole exception of Jose Padilla, a Muslim wannabe) and virtually 100 percent of the illegals crossing the Southest border are Mestizos of Mexican or Central American origin." "The best way for cops to prevent or rectify problems is to concentrate on where the problems exist. Those innocents who happen to get scrutinized should understand and be thankful that their safety is being protected as well." You're saying that American citizens -- who are not white -- should WELCOME being stopped by the police, asked for their papers and when unable to produce a passport or green card (Americans do not carry green cards, cruzo), they should be thankful to be locked up until the matter is straightened out? Claiming that is NOT racist is dishonest, cruzo. Our "casual readers" are on to you.

stopbs--	Posted - 6/20/2012 4:20:20 PM \| show profile \| flag this post First, To grateful & mp: You are straying from the context of etaoin's comment, which was specifically: "the rightwingers on here confuse "Hispanic American citizen" with "illegal alien."' I was, of course, replying to to etaoin's contention that rightwingers ON HERE (ie, this board) confuse hispanic americans with illegals. That was meant to be inflammatory and it is not true. I am surprised that the two of you would jump into taking my reply out of context and thus include the entire right wing world, of whom you know I was not referring. Second, Grateful, I am not "demanding" that anyone answer my question, I am asking. And, as too many on the left tend to do, you have not tried to answer my legitimate question. Instead you dodged it. If you don't support all would-be immigrants following the same entry laws, then my question is simply "Why don't you?" What makes this group of illegal immigrants different? And how is it fair to let them stay here while others who obey the law weight in line? Further, why wouldn't you want to answer that? mp - thank you for your answer. However, if you go back to my question, I specifically referred to immigrants "as a group" not to the kids in question who had no choice on coming here. I specifically would like to know why so many on the left, perhaps you yourself, think it's fair to allow ALL illegal immigrants (ok- except for the criminals we probably all agree upon) to stay in our country legally while others, who are obeying our laws, have to wait? I have never understood how the "justice for all" leftwing could possibly find this fair? etaoin, again, I don't doubt that some on the right (and possibly the left) have wrongly attacked Legal hispanic-americans - and that is wrong and grossly unfair. But again, your quote was aimed at the rightwing posters on this board. I don't see how anyone here has mistaken legal and illegal immigrants or citizens in their posts. I find your statement interesting that: "I do NOT favor illegal immigration. I do, however, believe that the issue has been hijacked by some on the right to advance racist agendas." That might be true. There are always some bad apples... as the saying goes. Also I agree that: "... our immigration system is broken. It is far too complicated and expensive for immigrants to enter the country legally. That's why it's happening illegally..." I don't know about "expensive." My understanding is that the would-be employer bears the cost. But, it is certainly complicated (I know from employers who do it legally.) Still, with so many people trying to do it legally, it just doesn't seem fair to me to give those who broke the law a free pass. That is why I keep posing my question to the left? Their overall lenient stance makes no sense to me.

stopbs--	Posted - 6/20/2012 4:20:45 PM \| show profile \| flag this post First, To grateful & mp: You are straying from the context of etaoin's comment, which was specifically: "the rightwingers on here confuse "Hispanic American citizen" with "illegal alien."' I was, of course, replying to to etaoin's contention that rightwingers ON HERE (ie, this board) confuse hispanic americans with illegals. That was meant to be inflammatory and it is not true. I am surprised that the two of you would jump into taking my reply out of context and thus include the entire right wing world, of whom you know I was not referring. Second, Grateful, I am not "demanding" that anyone answer my question, I am asking. And, as too many on the left tend to do, you have not tried to answer my legitimate question. Instead you dodged it. If you don't support all would-be immigrants following the same entry laws, then my question is simply "Why don't you?" What makes this group of illegal immigrants different? And how is it fair to let them stay here while others who obey the law weight in line? Further, why wouldn't you want to answer that? mp - thank you for your answer. However, if you go back to my question, I specifically referred to immigrants "as a group" not to the kids in question who had no choice on coming here. I specifically would like to know why so many on the left, perhaps you yourself, think it's fair to allow ALL illegal immigrants (ok- except for the criminals we probably all agree upon) to stay in our country legally while others, who are obeying our laws, have to wait? I have never understood how the "justice for all" leftwing could possibly find this fair? etaoin, again, I don't doubt that some on the right (and possibly the left) have wrongly attacked Legal hispanic-americans - and that is wrong and grossly unfair. But again, your quote was aimed at the rightwing posters on this board. I don't see how anyone here has mistaken legal and illegal immigrants or citizens in their posts. I find your statement interesting that: "I do NOT favor illegal immigration. I do, however, believe that the issue has been hijacked by some on the right to advance racist agendas." That might be true. There are always some bad apples... as the saying goes. Also I agree that: "... our immigration system is broken. It is far too complicated and expensive for immigrants to enter the country legally. That's why it's happening illegally..." I don't know about "expensive." My understanding is that the would-be employer bears the cost. But, it is certainly complicated (I know from employers who do it legally.) Still, with so many people trying to do it legally, it just doesn't seem fair to me to give those who broke the law a free pass. That is why I keep posing my question to the left? Their overall lenient stance makes no sense to me.