GOP Crazy Train (Continued)

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mpdodgson Posted - 9/20/2013 10:24:56 PM | show profile | flag this post

While I may personally enjoy watching the constant train-wreck that is the GOP; things have gotten so bad even I feel bad for them. That says a lot.

In one week: A Repub (Georgia Rep. Phil Gingrey) whines about making ends meet (“I’m stuck here making $172,000 a year.") I bet that went over well in his poor district…and then he joins his colleagues in cutting food stamps. (The vote was 217-210, with all Democrats and only 15 Republicans voting against the bill).

With another Government Shutdown looming; What to do What to do. Try to defund Obamacare AGAIN. While Bachman still claims “God is going to answer our prayers and we’ll be freed from the yoke of Obamacare”, another wingnut (Huelskamp/KS) goes for the jugular—we should kill Obamacare off because of the $1 surcharge we all have to pay to fund abortions. (Yea, that’s a head-shaker).

WHY in Bachman’s Gods name are we going through this again?? They wasted time AGAIN, today—to fund the Government—BUT kill off ObamaCare (which was passed by both Houses of Cong, signed by the President, and ruled Const by the Supreme Court. Even some fellow Repubs have had enough: “Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., said he hopes Friday's House vote to keep the government running while defunding "Obamacare" will expose Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz as "a fraud" and that "he'll no longer have any influence in the Republican Party."

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/20/20600579-rep-king-hopes-healthcare-repeal-efforts-expose-cruz-as-a-fraud#comments

Honestly now; IF a small band of Dems wasted everyones time—41 times—calling for a vote on assault weapons for instance--which has ZERO chance of passing--what would be the reaction? Not just here, but everywhere??

Meanwhile—we’re going to waste even more time on another Benghazi hearing. That didn’t go well either. Actual testimony:
"Who decided that Ambassador Stevens go to Benghazi on September 11, 2012? It was the Ambassador's decision, sir. Now was Secretary Clinton responsible in any way for reviewing and approving the in-country movements of U.S. ambassadors, either Ambassador Stevens or anyone else? No, sir. Did the Ambassador, when he went to Benghazi, have a normal security detail in accordance with the State Department procedures and rules at that time? Yes, sir. He had two diplomatic security special agents who accompanied him from Tripoli to Benghazi."

It went downhill from there. We've also heard from a TX Repub who refused to say whether Obama is an American or not, and CO Repubs beg for disaster money after they voted against "Sandy Relief" because we couldn't afford it.

I’m sorry this is another one of my long posts…but first of all, I work all day (as opposed to having 14 free hours on my hands being a professional expert writer on everything). And second of all; this is all in ONE WEEK. At least when the Dems make jack-asses out of themselves they stretch it out over time. Just my two cents.

con Posted - 9/20/2013 11:56:05 PM | show profile | flag this post

someone needs a nap. maybe going outside will help you.

maybe then you can provide some context. other wise, this looks like a unhinged liberal rant.

orthicon Posted - 9/21/2013 12:56:57 AM | show profile | flag this post

con.. go find yourself a good dictionary..

any librarian can help you there..

and either look up, or have someone read to you, the definition of the word "context"..

then come back and try it again.. or not..no one cares..

mpdodgson Posted - 9/21/2013 10:52:18 AM | show profile | flag this post

The 'context' con...

...is that even sane Conservaives think the Teabaggers are crazy.

I quoted Peter King because I agreed with him. I agree with Peter King. Good Lord, what have we come to. "

Some of Fox’s most conservative hosts, themselves no big fans of Obamacare, have been speaking out over these past few days against what they view as the GOP’s futile attempts to defund the law. And, if Republicans succeed in shutting down the government over the issue, those same hosts believe that the negative blowback will be far worse than any good will they receive from constituents who “don’t want Obamacare.”

"Dana Perino called their handling of the issue a “farce.” Greg Gutfeld actually found himself praising President Obama’s “success” in getting the GOP to “eat themselves.”

And last night, the Star, the Billo himself, argues with fellow Foxuplican Lou Dobbs that "the GOP will look like the “party of anarchy and chaos” if they keep pushing for defunding."

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreilly-clashes-with-dobbs-over-govt-shutdown-gop-will-look-like-party-of-anarchy-and-chaos/

Were not in Kansas anymore. If the GOP doesn't do something about the Bachmann/Gohmert/Rand Paul/Ted Cruz etal nutblock, single-digit approval ratings are right around the corner. IMO.



cruiser Posted - 9/21/2013 12:00:51 PM | show profile | flag this post

I doubt that it's ever occurred to mp in his tunnel vision

that Republican lawmakers are following their consciences and doing what the majority in the country want done.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/16/usa-today-pew-poll-health-care-law-opposition/2817169/

The Wall Street Journal also has a poll (link follows) but you have to be a subscriber to view it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324755104579073442586768058.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

con Posted - 9/21/2013 2:03:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

gingrey didn't whine, and the nontroversial shows just how desperate the left/liberal media is.

the majority of americans- now with the left's useful idiots big labor- want no part of obamacare. they want obamacare repealed.

the left will call this "GOP Crazy Train"- most will call it governing with the will of the people.

"we’re going to waste even more time on another Benghazi hearing."

while democrats have no problems with lying to the families of those who were killed-and to america- the rest of us want the truth.

if the benghazi hearings tell us anything- it's the so-called independent review was pure b.s. the fix was in from the beginning.

"CO Repubs beg for disaster money after they voted against "Sandy Relief" because we couldn't afford it. "

the vote was against pork- not "Sandy Relief".

cruiser gets it.

unlike the democrat party, there is room for diverse opinion in the republican party.

mpdodgson Posted - 9/21/2013 3:38:58 PM | show profile | flag this post

Fascinating. NOW polls matter.

I notice the poll you cited says Americans disaprove of Obamacare by an 11 point margin. (I could point out that most polls have consistently shown that when give 'specifics' of ObamaCare, the numbers switch, i.e., it's the label people don't like, not the provisions, but we'll skip that for now.)

So to you, I assume, an eleven point margin is crystal clear evidence Americans support idiots like Cruz. Then how do you explain 'Obama approval rating at 43.9% and Congress approval rating at 18.5%'???? Thats a 25.4% gap. Go ahead. Back-track. Do the 'cruise shuffle' and talk yourself out of that one. Seems to me a helluva lot more people are approving of what the WH is doing than Boehner and his inability to herd moronic cats.

While we're at it...what about my hypothetical small band of Dems wasting everyones time—41 times—calling for a vote on banning assault weapons?? Would that be fine with you? Explain this one to me: (you) "lawmakers are following their consciences and doing what the majority in the country want done." Well Hurrah for democracy. Your beloved "Gallup says 65% of Americans Wanted Gun Background Checks to Pass Senate"

http://www.gallup.com/poll/162083/americans-wanted-gun-background-checks-pass-senate.aspx

Go ahead. Back track on that one too. Where were " their consciences" then?? And, staying on topic, my point is what SOME in the GOP is doing is not only hopeless, it's a Kamikazee mission, as one NYT oped put it:

"Delay and defund. And default. That is the House Republicans’ brilliant plan in their last-ditch effort to block implementation of the Affordable Care Act. It is a plan that threatens to grind the government to a halt and wreak havoc on the economy.

If they can’t take over Washington, they’ll shut it down. It’s their way or no way. All or nothing. This is what has become of a party hijacked by zealots.

It would be tempting to blame all Republicans for this absurdity, but that would be unfair. There are still Republicans who are interested in good governance, but they’re being dragged to the nether regions of nonsensical policy making by younger, more ideological members of Congress, many from safely gerrymandered districts that form virtual echo chambers of irrationality."

mpdodgson Posted - 9/21/2013 4:12:45 PM | show profile | flag this post

And con? You're just plain dumb.

"gingrey didn't whine". Gee. Google "Gingrey whines". Among the hits is the ultra conservative National Review.

"Then Representative Phil Gingrey spoke up....The Georgia Republican, whose latest personal financial-disclosure forms show his net worth is at least $3 million, had little sympathy for lawmakers and even less for staff.

Capitol Hill aides, he said “may be 33 years old now and not making a lot of money. But in a few years they can just go to K Street,” the Washington, D.C., vernacular for becoming a lobbyist, “and make $500,000 a year. Meanwhile I’m stuck here making $172,000 a year.”

The comment incensed some of the GOP aides in the room" (YA THINK?)

Inre Benghazi; "while democrats have no problems with lying to the families of those who were killed-and to america- the rest of us want the truth." Show me the lies. Go ahead. Put up or shut up.

As for the CO Repubs; you're right to a point. The initial "Sandy Relief" bill was loaded with pork. Then they trimmed it out. And the 4 Repubs in the CO delegation voted against it anyway. We're 'broke' donchaknow. In JULY these same for pleaded for money for wildfire relief money. Now they're demanding flood relief money.

The irony that these four are all well known Climate Change Deniers--and obvious hypocrites when it comes to spending federal money--should be lost on no one.

"cruiser gets it." Wow. We thought you were brain impaired before, but that pretty much nails it.

cruiser Posted - 9/21/2013 4:55:39 PM | show profile | flag this post

No backtrack...just plain fact

You: "65% of Americans Wanted Gun Background Checks "

So what? A majority of firearms owners and NRA members want that too. What we DON'T want is a national gun registry...and we DAMN sure don't want you friggin' liberals using it to confiscate our firearms.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/21/2013 5:20:59 PM | show profile | flag this post

*** ...and we DAMN sure don't want you friggin' liberals using it to confiscate our firearms. ***

You're a moron to label it as a "conservative versus liberal" issue.

cruiser Posted - 9/21/2013 6:06:22 PM | show profile | flag this post

YOU'RE the moron if you don't realize

that's exactly what it is. I've been conversant with this topic since the age of twelve and have been writing about it for more than 50 years.

Even though many liberals profess to own firearms they often tacitly support gun bans to maintain political solidarity with their rabid anti-gun brethren. And some cynically believe that all guns SHOULD be banned...except theirs, of course.

mpdodgson Posted - 9/21/2013 7:23:32 PM | show profile | flag this post

You're caught cruise

Smack dab in the middle of the rock and the hard place you yourself souldered into position. Sucks, don't it?

Your logic is...what? Since some poll says 11% more Americans think ObamaCare is 'bad', the Teabaggers, as a matter of concience mind you, should be allowed to shut the government down in order to defund what has already been declared the constitutional law of the land. We're a representative democracy and a Republic donchaknow.

BUT but but, "65% of Americans Wanted Gun Background Checks "
So what? " See folks, that's cruiselogic in all it's glory.

"A majority of firearms owners and NRA members want that too" THEN SUPPORT IT. "What we DON'T want is..." blah blah blah. "you friggin' liberals using it to confiscate our firearms." If you could point to one, JUST ONE bill or measure that the Obama WH has proposed in the past five years advocating the confiscation of firearms--just one--firearm from anyone--THEN you just might have some shred of credibility. But you can't. There isn't any. You are mirroring the insane logic that LaPierre spits out; 'The sheer fact that Obama HASN'T proposed any 'seize your gun legisaltion is PROOF POSITIVE he plans on it'!!

But enough of that. Stick to the topic. The GOP is committing suicide putting up with these jokers. Your "conversant with this topic since the age of twelve and have been writing about it for more than 50 years" is nothing more than a massive ego side trip.



orthicon Posted - 9/21/2013 8:13:23 PM | show profile | flag this post

not to mention, as well, that it's totally untrue..

just another cruiztwit lie..

cruiser Posted - 9/21/2013 8:19:15 PM | show profile | flag this post

That's where you're being dishonest...as always

I didn't restrict my comments to bills the White House has proposed. My reference was to the publicly-stated objectives of rabid left wing anti-gun groups like the Brady Campaign, the Violence Policy Center, etc., of which there are literally dozens (of greater or lesser importance and clout).

Were you a student of this topic...as I am...you'd know that a very large percentage of your liberal brethren support outright bans on virtually all handguns and semi-automatic rifles. It is only the clout of the NRA and its overwhelming membership numbers that keep it from becoming fait accompli.

Do you really believe your argument is so weak that you have to try to bolster it with specious references and extraneous conditions that were not part of the conversation? In other words, trying...as always...to change the subject?

I'm very comfortable where I am...ensconced in documented facts while you make do with conjecture and rabid left talking points.

mpdodgson Posted - 9/21/2013 8:53:02 PM | show profile | flag this post

You're still stuck with your own logic

and your own words. Neither of which make any sense.

My topic was Republican Folly for lack of a better phrase, and you have not answered me this; What IF a small pack of Dems kept introducing a guns ban bill of any kind--knowing it would never pass--Wouldn't you be one of the first to condemn them for wasting our time and money?

You claim a poll showing ObamaCare doesn't have the majority support of Americans means Congress should do what the public wants---but polls showing Obama having four times the support of those same Americans vs Congress doesn't mean anything. Huh?

Also; your "when you friggin' liberals using it to confiscate our firearms" clearly meant lawmakers of some kind. I asked you to show me any 'gun-grabbing' legislation. You can't. Nor can LaPierre for that matter. So you try to backtrack to "left wing anti-gun groups". SO WHAT? They're not in the position to pass or sign laws. So you have no arguement. I may express my disdain and disgust at Uber Right Wing Religious nut cases, but I realize they are not in a position to pass actual laws.

IMO only cruise, you're in the same league as that asshole Repub who hates ObamaCare because of the $1 Abortion fee that doesn't exist---If you can't come up with something concrete to hate Obama with, well then, we'll just make it up.

cruiser Posted - 9/21/2013 11:40:29 PM | show profile | flag this post

"clearly meant lawmakers"

So is this what you're latching onto to salvage your misstatement?

ROFL!

cruiser Posted - 9/21/2013 11:44:23 PM | show profile | flag this post

"means Congress should do what the public wants"

Duh! That's what the "representative" in representative democracy means.

It's only "progressives" who think it's OK for representatives to ignore their constituents and do what they damn well please.

VTexan Posted - 9/22/2013 9:46:20 AM | show profile | flag this post

It's only progressives

...who think they should put laws their constituents don't support? As nearly always, you're QUITE wrong. What follows are a series of issues about which conservatives/Republicans are on the other side of the American public's view, yet most of them continue to support stances opposed to their constituents.
Again, you're wrong. Period.

Forced utrasound in Virginia: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74295.html

Gay marriage: http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm

Marijuana legalization: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/marijuana-legalization-poll-89638.html

Background checks for weapons purchases: http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/2451

Psychological Testing for weapons purchase: http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-anyone-who-purchases-a-firearm-be-required-to-undergo-routine-psychological-evaluations


Citizens United rulling: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/02/in-supreme-court-ruling-on-campaign-finance-the-public-dissents/


mpdodgson Posted - 9/22/2013 9:49:44 AM | show profile | flag this post

Face it cruise; You're trapped

by your own rhetoric. You're hopelessly stuck in the muck by your own (lack of) logic. The TOPIC is a small band of delusional Teabaggers hijacking the once proud GOP. The time/money/effort wasted on trying to destroy ObamaCare is not only a fool's errand, it's destructive to the party and hazardous to the country.

IF we spent this much time/money/effort debating say, a proposed infrastructure jobs bill (which projects? where? how many jobs? etc) THEN I would be the first to congragulate the Repubs for at least tackling the issue. But this kind of insanity, just to get your fifteen minutes of fame now, or your three hours of debate time in 2016, is just plain disgusting.

(you) "It's only "progressives" who think it's OK for representatives to ignore their constituents and do what they damn well please."

That's where you're screwed. Poll after poll after poll shows Obama has MUCH larger approval rating than Congress. Four times higher. Why is that? Propably because people realize he's doing his job. The job he was elected to do. Poll after poll shows the Repubs are on the WRONG side of a wide swath of issues, they get nothing done, and when they do show up for a vote, it's meaningless.

Your "salvage your misstatement?" What was that? Where was that? 'ROFL'?? About what? You never should have responded to this topic because we all knew you would do nothing more than make a fool of yourself again. But you did it anyway. Because you always have the last (genius) word.



VTexan Posted - 9/22/2013 11:23:02 AM | show profile | flag this post

cruiser

...wants to cite polls which underscore his view and discount polls which don't. It's as simple as that.

This is very basic, not sophisticated in the least view. What's curious is how poorly, when this is pointed out, he explains it.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/22/2013 11:27:20 AM | show profile | flag this post

*** YOU'RE the moron if you don't realize that's exactly what it is. I've been conversant with this topic since the age of twelve and have been writing about it for more than 50 years.

Even though many liberals profess to own firearms they often tacitly support gun bans to maintain political solidarity with their rabid anti-gun brethren. And some cynically believe that all guns SHOULD be banned...except theirs, of course. ***



You have a big mouth, but you sure do suck at knowing anything.

Try leaving your basement once in a while and talking to people. The folks you stereotype won't bite you. You might LEARN something about them.

Or are you too high and mighty for that?

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/22/2013 11:31:58 AM | show profile | flag this post

*** I'm very comfortable where I am...ensconced in documented facts while you make do with conjecture and rabid left talking points. ***

Who are you trying to fool? Not only does your writing stink, but you can't document your way out of a paper bag!

Oh, this flailing is rich. Sorta like a bug pinned in a corner.

Go ahead -- dig your pit a little deeper with each post, you little narcissistic attention-grabber! Once again, you've made a thread ALL ABOUT YOU! YOU! YOU!

cruiser Posted - 9/22/2013 11:59:04 AM | show profile | flag this post

"Obama has MUCH larger approval rating than Congress"

That wasn't the issue. You're trying to change the subject...again, as always...because the facts dump all over your narrative.

It's Obama's AGENDA that's not approved by a majority of the American people.

Even in the face of his colossal screwups he maintains his likeability. How I'll never know but he does. But even that is fading.

Oh, and as regards my writing: The fact that I still get paid...and handsomely...is all the assurance I need. Your "critiques" are laughable. They're strictly motivated by politics and envy.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/22/2013 2:39:59 PM | show profile | flag this post

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Further proof that YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

cruiser Posted - 9/22/2013 2:50:28 PM | show profile | flag this post

I'm sure that made you feel better but

the laughter is at your expense.


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