Posted - 1/4/2013 3:48:54 PM | show profile | flag this post
Thus governments and taxpayers should spend $51 billion dollars to fix the damages of Sandy, that insurance companies (who say global warming is real, and wont take the risk) wont pay out.
And taxpayers should continue to spend tens of billions a year to subsidize coal and greenhouse gas producing industries.
Cause the GOP sez clean energy and global warming is a wasteful fraud.
Posted - 1/5/2013 1:59:51 PM | show profile | flag this post
so you think....
Windmills and electric cars would have prevented a hurricane like Sandy?
Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Sadly, there are simpletons that take stuff like that seriously.
Posted - 1/5/2013 2:16:30 PM | show profile | flag this post
The nasty little secret
about "green" electric cars is that they are entirely dependent on coal, gas or nuclear power. They go NOWHERE without charged batteries. And batteries are charged...and recharged daily...by coal, gas or nuclear power.
So if the entire fleet of petroleum burning cars and trucks were replaced by electric vehicles NOT ONLY would we be limited to a range of about 40 miles per charge BUT WE'D HAVE TO DOUBLE OR TRIPLE OUR GENERATING CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE ELECTRIC VEHICLES...thereby replacing the CO2 released by gasoline engines with the CO2 spewed by powerplants.
Posted - 1/5/2013 2:33:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
That IS a Nasty Secret
One that no one knew until it was pointed out.
And while some would say, "well then let's replace coal, gas and petroleum based energy production with more renewable sources like wind and solar", we on the right just laugh.
We'll never let liberals break the grip the lobbyists for those corporations have on the GOP.
The world can just go to hell as far as we're concerned. Heck, cruiser's almost dead anyway.
Posted - 1/5/2013 2:44:07 PM | show profile | flag this post
When you can get
solar to work at night and wind to work in calm...and the busbar costs of both to be competitive with coal, gas and nuclear...come back and talk to me.
Posted - 1/5/2013 7:13:05 PM | show profile | flag this post
Solar works at night. It goes into rechargeable batteries during the day.
I'm surprised that a genius-IQ scientist does not know know this.
Posted - 1/5/2013 8:31:26 PM | show profile | flag this post
I know more about
this topic than you could ever hope to.
The required battery storage is one of the biggest reasons that solar will never be economically comparable to traditional powerplants.
Posted - 1/5/2013 9:31:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
Must be a whole lot of brusied chins out there;
With all this knee-kerking going on.
I was going to respond to you cdn, that while Sandy was a national tragedy, I have seen nothing reliable that ties it directly to Global Warming. Thought you made a pretty big leap there...
But speaking of leaps...blackedtape? Where did he mention windmills and electric cars?? cdn may have been wrong (propably was) in connecting Sandy with man-made climate change, but if you think those are the only solutions SCIENCE and Washington have come up with, you're not paying attention. Safe natural gas and safe nuclear and fuel efficiency standards, and pollution controls, etc etc can go a helluva long way to cutting down on carbon emissions. WHILE we explore the technology. Seams a reasonable course.
cruize?? You're beyond help. "I know more about this topic than you could ever hope to." That's just embarassingly stupid egotistic bravado bullshit. Solar power only works when the Sun's out???? All my front yard Christmas lights are solar powered LED's--and it's 8:21 at night. I have a farmer friend an hour from here that has his barn heated right now because of his windmills--and there's no breeze. But you're the expert.
"solar will never be economically comparable to traditional powerplants." What an ignorant short-sighted thing to say. Till when? The fuel runs out?? Battery technolgy improves every year. It will continue to do so as long as we invest in it. We will run out of fossil fuels. Fact. We will not run out of the sun or the wind. Fact. The first car was NOT a Porsche or a Lexus, and the first airplane was not a 747 or a Space Shuttle.
So...perhaps cdn went from 'A to say, F' That's no reason to leap out of your seat, knee-jerking that alternative energy sources now (instead of later) is a dumb idea.
Just my two cents.
Posted - 1/5/2013 9:53:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
And if that doesn't piss you off;
What I was going to say in response to cdn's original post was 'I have not heard of any 'direct evidence' between Sandy and Global Warming...but...
...but I sure would like to go back and interview those hundreds of small business people in NY and Jersey who took such great offense with the president's remark regarding having your own business--"If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen." (which of course was taken out of context anyway, which was reported but the Repubs didn't include that)
MAN. They went friggin nuts. The Repubs and Fox went friggin nuts. 'Not true, Not true, that's insulting, I built this with my own blood sweat and tears--never asked the Gubmint for NUTTIN' and on and on.
Well, now those same guys are asking 'Where is Washington??' I need to RE-BUILD THAT and I can't do it on my own. So taxpayers across the country will chip in $50-60-70 Billion to help them re-build.
I have NO problem with that by the way. I think it's the right thing to do. They're part of this country too, and we take care of our own. Or at least we're supposed to. But it would be nice if some of these 'Obama is a Socialist' hate mongers admitted they were wrong...or at least put things in perspective.
Posted - 1/5/2013 10:10:15 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** I know more about
this topic than you could ever hope to.
The required battery storage is one of the biggest reasons that solar will never be economically comparable to traditional powerplants. ***
Yeah, I'll bet you do. You only said solar doesn't work at night in order to throw us off-track.
Posted - 1/5/2013 10:14:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
By the way, it's pitch-dark outdoors right now, and my solar yard lights and solar holiday lights are on.
Posted - 1/5/2013 10:21:20 PM | show profile | flag this post
Hey, cwuiser, since you know everything there is to know about everything, then you know that household solar and wind DO work when there are no sun and no wind. What were you trying to pull by saying that they don't?
In addition, why are you trying to make non-Californians believe that household solar and wind aren't economically feasible? Right now, AS YOU KNOW, there are all kinds of deals and arrangements available on the equipment and various arrangements for selling the excess power it generates to the local electric utility. AS YOU KNOW.
Posted - 1/5/2013 11:50:56 PM | show profile | flag this post
I can be just as silly as anyone else
The constant blaming the GOP for everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING, has become so outrageous it renders the opinions of many here totally worthless.
Posted - 1/6/2013 12:13:22 AM | show profile | flag this post
"That's just embarassingly
egotistic bravado bullshit"
Actually, it isn't. Technology is one of my writing beats. I DO know more about it than anyone here...no matter how you try to salve your badly bruised ego.
Posted - 1/6/2013 12:53:34 AM | show profile | flag this post
blackedtape; with all due respect,
"constant blaming the GOP for everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING," Aw, C'MON. That's not true. When have I ever not said this was a 'bi-partisan hole' we dug? BOTH partes have spent too much. National Debt? Quick refresher:
Before Reagan $1 trillion
Ronald Reagan $2.9 trillion
George H.W. Bush $4 trillion
Bill Clinton $5.6 trillion
George W. Bush $10.6 trillion
Barack Obama $16.4 trillion
See? Plenty of blame to go around. Yes. 16 is larger than 10. And FDR's budget was higher than Hoover's. That's the way it's been going. To blame the GOP for everything is just plain wrong. Same goes for Obama. As I keep reminding people, they sign what's given to them.
cruise? You don't deserve any respect at all. "I DO know more about it than anyone here..." Even after you're shown to be a complete and total ignorant ass with your 'Solar power doesn't work when it's dark, and wind power is useless without a breeze' Good Lord. Anyone else would have kept their mouth shut. But you're 'special'.
Posted - 1/6/2013 2:01:27 AM | show profile | flag this post
dogson, you just BARELY know
enough to credibly repeat what some expert tells you. Don't try to puff yourself up...you couldn't handle it.
I've been trying hard in the last several weeks to be restrained but you people's WAY inflated egos are too much. You simply don't have the chops to back it up.
Posted - 1/6/2013 10:57:15 AM | show profile | flag this post
He's a self-proclaimed expert on technology, on the economy,
on guns...what am I leaving off this list? he is an expert on everything we discuss here and has to always remind us.
so why does he have so much free time on his hands?
I'd think someone so astute in so many areas would have
better things to do than spend hours here every day.
Posted - 1/6/2013 1:39:31 PM | show profile | flag this post
You simply don't have the chops
But I do. And I don't need "facts" or "proof" or "credible" "evidence".
All I say should be accepted as is, or else I will unleash condescending insults and accuse the target of ad hominem attacks.
Posted - 1/6/2013 3:21:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** Technology is one of my writing beats. I DO know more about it than anyone here...no matter how you try to salve your badly bruised ego. ***
VG, it looks like you had better add clairvoyance to the list, considering that he has neither asked nor been offered what beats we cover and have covered.
Some writer he is, eh? He can't distinguish between coverage and op-ed; spits at journalistic research; and engages in assumption, presumption, egotism and personal attack -- and don't forget that he said it's all to "experiment" on us. How many of those letters to the editor are you getting published anyway, cruiser?
Posted - 1/6/2013 8:21:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
You people can rail against
your feelings of inadequacy all you want and inflate your own egos by trying to denigrate me but it's an exercise in futility.
Posted - 1/6/2013 8:51:16 PM | show profile | flag this post
"an exercise in futility"
You know, like charging up your solar panels all day only to have the sun go down. All that work for nothing.
Posted - 1/6/2013 10:51:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
Posted - 1/7/2013 1:06:14 AM | show profile | flag this post
inflate your own egos by trying to denigrate me
I'm that important. Or so I believe. And I am always right.
That's why I post here over and over and fail to contribute to any sort of meaningful dialogue... or life.
Posted - 1/7/2013 1:29:27 AM | show profile | flag this post
"like charging up your solar panels all day"
ROFL!!! That's a classic. And you have the balls to try to tell me you know something about technogy?
Posted - 1/7/2013 6:14:47 AM | show profile | flag this post
My point isn't climate change (not directly)
It is that the "budget fighting" GOP refuses to touch the 130-150 billion of corporate welfare to profitable energy companies and multinational corporations.
That's is more tha Medicare, social security, student aid, housing, no child etc put together.
The CBO says its 51 billion just in direct payments to corps.
It's not a left wing thing.
The libertarian CATO says federal aid to corps could be as high as 250 billion, and has a list of 125 programs that could be cut and save 85 billion. That's more than the budget deal.
But it won't happen.
The GOP is more interested in denying Sandy victims federal relief.
Because the oil industry, even BP, has to keep getting taxpayer cash.
(As for global warming .. Well like gun laws, and "football" .. y'all are clueless, way behind the rest of the civilized world. Arguing with the ignorant. A society that teaches "creationism" as science... Just bizarre and pathetic )