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Global "warming" revisited

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cruiser	Posted - 7/11/2012 5:16:23 PM \| show profile \| flag this post But the title is a misnomer. New and high quality research of tree rings in Finnish Lapland indicate that the globe has been in a COOLING trend for at least 2000 years. Unlike Michael Mann's "hockey stick," this study accurately reflects the Roman Warm Period, the Medieval Warm Period, the Little Ice Age, etc. Taken together, all the data indicate that a two millenium cooling period is underway and that...as I have been reporting...the global temperatures in ancient times were warmer than current global temperatures. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2171973/Tree-ring-study-proves-climate-WARMER-Roman-Medieval-times-modern-industrial-age.html

cruster	Posted - 7/11/2012 5:38:45 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Earth Flatness Reconsidered It's clear in pictures from space that the world is indeed flat. And that alarmist liberals "rounders" have long dominated the scientific conversation because of Al Gore. This flatness will come in handy in the coming ice age because we can just push the snow off the edge. You libs don't get it.

beenthere	Posted - 7/11/2012 5:42:30 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Are the voices in your head arguing again?

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/11/2012 6:58:39 PM \| show profile \| flag this post I LOVE that line, "... as I have been reporting ..." with the little dots around it. Makes little anonymous filth-mouth intolerant you feel like a big-ass deal, eh?

cruster	Posted - 7/11/2012 7:18:10 PM \| show profile \| flag this post What's Clear in My Reporting Is that the recent spate of hot temperatures, extended drought, violent storms and even weird temperature fluctuations are all proof that the earth is rapidly cooling. Liberal scientists may say exactly the opposite, but they are all under Al Gore mind control. This flat earth we live on will soon freeze. The weight of the ice will cause the giant space disk to tip over and we will all fall off, plummeting forever through the void. You lefties just don't get that.

cruiser	Posted - 7/11/2012 7:34:22 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "with the little dots around it" Singularly, it's called an ellipsis. The plural is ellipses. An ellipsis is most often used to denote the omission of some part of a quote. It can be used at the end of a sentence to denote an unfinished thought. In plural, ellipses often indicate a break or change in the writer's train of thought, a pause, etc. They also can be used for other purposes such as to add clarity, in place of dashes or commas, etc. "with the little dots around it" (snicker) I sometimes feel like a middle school English or composition teacher.

cruiser	Posted - 7/11/2012 7:42:18 PM \| show profile \| flag this post But back to the point This thread is about a scientific challenge to the notion of global warming. See the first post...before the left wingers started trying to change the subject to obscure the fact that they cannot scientifically refute what was posted.

cruster	Posted - 7/11/2012 8:07:23 PM \| show profile \| flag this post And Another Point Even though I too cannot scientifically prove "global warming" is not real, and that global cooling is a fact, that doesn't matter. I am right, and very smart... as I have been reporting... so you should simply listen to me.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/11/2012 8:41:10 PM \| show profile \| flag this post You may FEEL "feel like a middle school English or composition teacher," but you're obviously not one, either in lecture or practice. So here you go, Mr. Journalist Wannabe, straight from the "Punctuation Guide" section in the Associated Press Stylebook (which is, BTW, used by media regardless of the corporate owners' political affiliations): [Start quote from AP Stylebook] ellipsis ( ... ) In general, treat an ellipsis as a three-letter word, constructed with three periods and two spaces, as shown here. Use an ellipsis to indicate the deletion of one or more words in condensing quotes, texts and documents. Be especially careful to avoid deletions that would distort the meaning. An ellipsis also may be used to indicate a thought that the speaker or writer does not complete. Substitute a dash for this purpose, however, if the context uses ellipses to indicate that words actually spoken or written have been deleted. Brief examples of how to use ellipses are provided after guidelines are given. ... [End quote from AP Stylebook] As you have read, ellipses indicate a deletion of WORDS, they are not substitutes for COMMAS. You crack me up every single day I visit here, cruiser, with your holier-than-thou errors! If you ever got your ego out of the way of your brain, I'll bet you'd be as boring as toast!

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/11/2012 8:43:01 PM \| show profile \| flag this post *I'll bet you'd be as boring as toast!* Oops! Sorry -- make that "as boring as ice!"

cruiser	Posted - 7/11/2012 9:13:59 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "You crack me up every single day" No, what I actually do is piss you off. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying so hard to denigrate me...(that's an ellipsis)...especially when I don't let you be your imperious, arrogant self.

mpdodgson	Posted - 7/11/2012 9:54:35 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Obviously No freelance assignment on aluminum siding today; so let's re-visit Global Warming. Tree rings in Finland??? From the Daily Mail no less?? This is your cause celebre today?? 97%, 98% of the wolrd scientists agree Man Made Global Warming exists. But...frack them...you know better. A nine year old with his hand over a flower pot with a cigarrette proves you wrong...but what the hell...let's go with "ellipses" and tree rings. (Btw; not a whole lot of tree rings left in Colorado this year--must be science)

cruiser	Posted - 7/11/2012 10:14:13 PM \| show profile \| flag this post If you knew ANYTHING about science you'd know just how ridiculous that was. It should have been embarrassing to you. Tree rings are one of the VERY BEST proxies for scientific analysis of the past. And you can slam the Daily Mail all you want. They didn't do the analyses...all they did is report on the analyses done by qualified scientists. And I must piss you off too or you wouldn't be so intent on denigrating me. You're another one of the arrogant, imperious posters on here who doesn't realize the limitations of your mile-wide, inch-deep knowledge...Emmys notwithstanding. You get those for doing good television, not good science.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/11/2012 10:25:21 PM \| show profile \| flag this post *No, what I actually do is piss you off. * No, you crack me up with your constant inflation of yourself. You crack me up by claiming to be MENSA material, a grandfather and "in media" when you can't see beyond your own nose, you curse like a redneck who's had too many Millers, and your "medium" is a content mill. You want so much to seem bigger than you are, but without putting forth the effort to actually be bigger by learning anything. You couldn't possibly piss me off, because you're nobody I'd care about or want to know in real life. If anything on the negative side, I often feel sorry for you. You're kind of pitiable, always shouting with your fingers in your ears.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/11/2012 10:32:23 PM \| show profile \| flag this post *You get those for doing good television, not good science.* OMG! This is what I mean -- a crack-up! You have no idea what the TV news Emmys are, do you? (Hint: Susan Lucci show up in the nominations.) Ha! Here you go -- broaden your horizons: http://www.emmyonline.tv/news/

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/11/2012 10:33:03 PM \| show profile \| flag this post *You get those for doing good television, not good science.* OMG! This is what I mean -- a crack-up! You have no idea what the TV news Emmys are, do you? (Hint: Susan Lucci doesn't show up in the nominations.) Ha! Here you go -- broaden your horizons: http://www.emmyonline.tv/news/

cruiser	Posted - 7/11/2012 10:34:31 PM \| show profile \| flag this post I'm sure that assuaged your ego and made you feel better but nothing...repeat, NOTHING...about your characterization of me was accurate.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/11/2012 10:37:32 PM \| show profile \| flag this post about your characterization of me was accurate Oh, it's not MY characterization! It's what YOU have said about yourself. Are you saying now that you've been disingenuous and deceitful? Be still, my heart!

mpdodgson	Posted - 7/11/2012 10:53:38 PM \| show profile \| flag this post You have been shown an absolute total fool...seriously, TREE RINGS from "Roman and Medieval times" has anything AT ALL with Man Made Global Warming from the Industrial period on...???? Really?? Exactly how many coal fired powered plants and Hummers did they have 2,000 year ago? This was just another example of how stupid you are (never should have started a thread with some non-sensical Mail Online piece) AND how anl you are--Defend it anyway.

cruiser	Posted - 7/11/2012 11:46:55 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Exactly how many coal fired powered plants and Hummers did they have 2,000 year ago?" That's exactly the point, you idiot. Their research shows that IT WAS WARMER DURING THE ROMAN PERIOD AND THE MEDIEVAL WARM PERIOD THAN IT IS TODAY...which diametrically opposes the crap the IPCC publishes...especially the seriously flawed (or dishonest) "hockey stick" that purports to show a warming trend that tracks with the Industrial Revolution. The problem is Dr. Michael Mann, the developer of the "hockey stick," had to fudge the temperature records to trivialize the Medieval Warm Period...which was warmer than today...so it wouldn't blow his theory out of the water. Everything about the IPCC is flawed, dishonest or erroneous. And you can add sloppy when reflecting on the global temperature records collected and maintained by the Climate Research Unit of East Anglia University.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/12/2012 9:01:45 AM \| show profile \| flag this post "As cruzo has been reporting..." Odd, since this is the first study to set these higher temperatures in Roman times and the Middle Ages. If YOU, cruzo, knew anything about science, you'd have read the actual paper published at Nature Climate Science -- rather than relying on the Mail's sensational and highly misleading coverage. You would have realized the study only looked at SUMMER temperatures: http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1589.html And if you'd checked on analysis from other scientists, you would have realized that the study does not debunk the fact that there has been a rapid trend in warming since the industrial age: "Another interesting finding is that N-Scan exhibits a substantially larger pre-industrial (pre 1900) millennial cooling trend (around -0.31C/1000yr) than a tree ring width (TRW) based summer temperature reconstruction from the same trees." http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/07/tree-rings-and-climate-some-recent-developments/ And you would have understood that one study, along with wishful thinking on your part, does not overturn established science on manmade global warming. In fact, Dr. Esper says this will allow the IPCC to improve their ability to measure global warming.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/12/2012 9:30:24 AM \| show profile \| flag this post That " substantially larger... pre-industrial (pre 1900) millennial cooling trend" discovered in Dr. Espers work might actually suggest the post-1900 warming trend has been much more unnaturally rapid. Rather than proving that we are cooling -- the study would seem to suggest that man-made influences on global warming are stronger that suspected. The study actually addresses the issue of the "Divergence Problem" climate scientists have been trying to reconcile for years -- that is, the seeming gap between thermometer readings and tree ring growth which are observable in contemporary times: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergence_problem There have been several tree ring studies lately. One last year suggested climate change could have been a major contributor to the fall of the Roman Empire. http://www.npr.org/2011/01/22/133143758/could-climate-change-have-led-to-the-fall-of-rome (A popular press version, since cruzo isn't much into reading scientific studies). Here's the actual paper for the rest of you (warning, it's a .PDF): http://goo.gl/t3cB3 You may also want to look at the effects of global warming -- and the subsequnt climate change -- on weather. Again, from the popular press so cruzo can grasp it: "Last year's record warm November in the UK – the second hottest since records began in 1659 – was at least 60 times more likely to happen because of climate change than owing to natural variations in the earth's weather systems, according to the peer-reviewed studies by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the US, and the Met Office in the UK. The devastating heatwave that blighted farmers in Texas in the US last year, destroying crop yields in another record "extreme weather event", was about 20 times more likely to have happened owing to climate change than to natural variation." http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/10/extreme-weather-manmade-climate-change?CMP=twt_fd

cruiser	Posted - 7/12/2012 11:34:20 AM \| show profile \| flag this post What it really suggests is that the tree ring analysis is accurate and the so-called "temperature record"...the one created and maintained by IPCC-connected institutions including East Anglia University...is not. Truly qualified atmospheric and climate scientists...credentialed individuals from prestigious universities, institutions and agencies around the globe...have been saying for years that the IPCC's methods, data and models...and therefore conclusions...are flawed.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/12/2012 11:43:24 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Wow, cruzo! You have REALLY misread that! Go back and read the actual paper. I'm sure our "casual readers" have by now and are stunned that you missed as badly as the Mail reporter.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/12/2012 11:46:26 AM \| show profile \| flag this post ES, why are you being such a PIA, reading entire studies and looking up others? Don't you "get it" that cruiser has spoken? Cruiser, you haven't done one of your most fun little tactics on here in a while: try to kick everybody in the teeth by claiming we're your playthings. Now would be a good time. Say you intentionally misled the forum for your own personal hardy-har-har jollies, and now you're on your way to cook up a brilliant new manipulation. Go on. ...