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| cruiser |
Posted - 7/12/2012 4:34:54 PM | show profile | flag this post
Time for you to say
you're intentionally trying to change the subject because the left has NOTHING with which to refute what I posted.
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 7/12/2012 5:50:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yeah, right.
You've been refuted for months, and it hasn't made a dent yet.
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 7/12/2012 5:51:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yeah, right.
You've been refuted for months, and it hasn't made a dent yet in your willingness to flog a dead horse.
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| orthicon |
Posted - 7/12/2012 7:44:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
not surprising that cruiztwit reads tree rings ..
to buttress his dubious arguments about the climate..
fits right in with the tea leaves he uses for everything else..
when in doubt, check with trees and bushes..
perfect.
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| cruster |
Posted - 7/12/2012 8:27:13 PM | show profile | flag this post
Winter is Coming
And there must always be a Stark at Winterfell.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 7/12/2012 8:57:56 PM | show profile | flag this post
You people are off into la la land
When you have some SCIENCE to post, post it and I'll respond. Oh, and try to keep it RATIONAL, don't parrot the thoroughly discredited IPCC crap.
I'm not going to waste any more of my time with your childish partisan insults, attempted subject changes, etc.
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| mpdodgson |
Posted - 7/12/2012 9:23:07 PM | show profile | flag this post
For the umpteenth time
"When you have some SCIENCE to post, post it and I'll respond"
97%, 98% of every scientist out there dealing with the topic agrees that anthropogenic, Man-contributed Global warming HAS to be a fact. It has to be.
Yes, tree rings from thousands of years ago may show that global warming occured then too. Not the point. The Earth has warm perioids and cold periods. Again, not the point.
The point is simple logic, simple common sense. When you dump all that crap into a closed atmosphere, it's going to have an effect. Again, for all all of our sake, sit in your garage with the car running, and get back to us.
Hockey sticks and tree rings have nothing to do with it.
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| Grateful Deadline |
Posted - 7/12/2012 10:51:28 PM | show profile | flag this post
***I'm not going to waste any more of my time with your childish partisan insults, attempted subject changes, etc.***
Excellent news! Ta-ta and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 7/13/2012 9:00:17 AM | show profile | flag this post
Cruzo has been thoroughly refuted...
Heck, I even posted the link to the actual scientific paper itself -- which refutes cruzo's claim.
The Mail writer got the study completely wrong. Cruzo chose to agree with the errors in the Mail article instead of reading the actual scientific paper.
A simple reading of the study shows it says nothing like what cruzo and the Mail claimed.
Odd that cruzo claims to have a background in science, but is unable to read the actual study.
He's all hat and no cattle.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 7/13/2012 11:41:48 AM | show profile | flag this post
"I even posted the link to the actual scientific paper"
No, pal, you emphatically did NOT. You posted left wing talking points.
As for dogson, 97%, 98%...are you going to bring up that thoroughly discredited "consensus" BS again? That is NO way to approach science. The scientific method is to develop a hypothesis, impartially gather ALL the data dilligently assuring that it is truly representative of the facts, develop a coherent model for testing the hypothesis, perform the tests in an impartial manner, draw conclusions based on the results of the testing.
The scientific method is NOT to cherry pick data that will "prove" a preconceived notion, limit testing to support a preconceived notion or to selective omit or change data to eliminate "inconvenient" results.
And the scientific method damn sure is not to massage the data for the purpose of supporting politically motivated position documents, as the IPCC does.
The entire IPCC agenda...the wealth of developed nations to third world countries.
And you people...wittingly or unwittingly...have fallen for it.
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| cruiser |
Posted - 7/13/2012 11:49:10 AM | show profile | flag this post
Next to last sentence
should read: The entire IPCC agenda...as admitted by several UN officials...is to redistribute the wealth of developed nations to third world countries.
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| cruster |
Posted - 7/13/2012 1:04:38 PM | show profile | flag this post
Next to next to last sentence
This global warming conspiracy is the biggest scam since fluoridated water.
My foil hat keeps me from being duped.
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 7/13/2012 1:18:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
You know, cruzo...
cruiser Posted - 7/13/2012 11:41:48 AM | show profile | flag this post
"I even posted the link to the actual scientific paper"
No, pal, you emphatically did NOT. You posted left wing talking points.
*****
Our "casual readers" realize what a clueless liar you are.
Go back to the first page of this thread, look at my first post in it and there it is:
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1589.html
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 7/13/2012 1:20:19 PM | show profile | flag this post
Since cruzo...
tried to misrepresent what I said earlier -- and deny that I posted a link to the actual scientific paper -- let me repost my original comments:
If YOU, cruzo, knew anything about science, you'd have read the actual paper published at Nature Climate Science -- rather than relying on the Mail's sensational and highly misleading coverage.
You would have realized the study only looked at SUMMER temperatures:
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1589.html
And if you'd checked on analysis from other scientists, you would have realized that the study does not debunk the fact that there has been a rapid trend in warming since the industrial age:
"Another interesting finding is that N-Scan exhibits a substantially larger pre-industrial (pre 1900) millennial cooling trend (around -0.31C/1000yr) than a tree ring width (TRW) based summer temperature reconstruction from the same trees."
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/07/tree-rings-and-climate-some-recent-developments/
And you would have understood that one study, along with wishful thinking on your part, does not overturn established science on manmade global warming. In fact, Dr. Esper says this will allow the IPCC to improve their ability to measure global warming.
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That " substantially larger...
pre-industrial (pre 1900) millennial cooling trend" discovered in Dr. Espers work might actually suggest the post-1900 warming trend has been much more unnaturally rapid.
Rather than proving that we are cooling -- the study would seem to suggest that man-made influences on global warming are stronger that suspected.
The study actually addresses the issue of the "Divergence Problem" climate scientists have been trying to reconcile for years -- that is, the seeming gap between thermometer readings and tree ring growth which are observable in contemporary times:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergence_problem
There have been several tree ring studies lately.
One last year suggested climate change could have been a major contributor to the fall of the Roman Empire.
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/22/133143758/could-climate-change-have-led-to-the-fall-of-rome
(A popular press version, since cruzo isn't much into reading scientific studies).
Here's the actual paper for the rest of you (warning, it's a .PDF):
http://goo.gl/t3cB3
You may also want to look at the effects of global warming -- and the subsequnt climate change -- on weather. Again, from the popular press so cruzo can grasp it:
"Last year's record warm November in the UK – the second hottest since records began in 1659 – was at least 60 times more likely to happen because of climate change than owing to natural variations in the earth's weather systems, according to the peer-reviewed studies by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the US, and the Met Office in the UK. The devastating heatwave that blighted farmers in Texas in the US last year, destroying crop yields in another record "extreme weather event", was about 20 times more likely to have happened owing to climate change than to natural variation."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/10/extreme-weather-manmade-climate-change?CMP=twt_fd
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| cruiser |
Posted - 7/13/2012 2:02:32 PM | show profile | flag this post
"If YOU, cruzo, knew anything about science"
The fact is I know a great deal about science...way more than you could ever hope to know. That's why is didn't bother to comment on your uninformed prattling. It'd be a huge waste of my time because you refuse to countenance the facts, preferring instead to rely on anecdotes in nature magazines instead of real, credible scientific studies.
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| etaoin shrdlu |
Posted - 7/13/2012 3:10:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
cruzo offers up only...
platitudes with attitude about himself.
He claims to "know a lot about science" but he's intimidated to read the actual scientific paper published in Nature Climate Change.
Here's the link again:
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1589.html
What's cruzo afraid of?
Probably that he'll have to admit he doesn't understand it!
It's nothing like what the Mail reported.
It's actually a breakthrough in ending the "divergence problem" which could help climate scientists standardize the method for calibrating tree-ring sizes to thermometer readings.
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| cruster |
Posted - 7/13/2012 4:50:04 PM | show profile | flag this post
"What's cruzo afraid of?"
NOTHING!
I am fearless and brave, knowledgeable in all things.
I don't need to post any scientific data to back up my claims, they are right and you should accept it.
I AM A GENIUS
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