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mpdodgson Posted - 10/16/2013 6:19:39 AM | show profile | flag this post

A (historical) reminder

"Every President since Herbert Hoover has added to the national debt expressed in absolute dollars. The debt ceiling has been raised 74 times since March 1962,[1] including 18 times under Ronald Reagan, eight times under Bill Clinton, seven times under George W. Bush, and five times under Barack Obama." (Wiki)

BUT we are, today, on the verge of defaut--and it's all Obama's fault?? St Reagan can raise the debt ceiling 18 times--but that showed "leadership" donchaknow. Bush can start two wars, rack up trillions in debt--and still get the debt ceiling raised seven times--but that showed leadership donchaknow.

But the TeaBaggers refuse to budge now...because 'that guy' is in the White House. I agree with you blackedtape: "No one can be surprised by what is happening."

And it's pathetic and stomach turning.

blackedtaped Posted - 10/16/2013 9:52:47 AM | show profile | flag this post

VTexan, refer to Mpdodgson's post

Leadership means getting people to work together especially those who don't agree with each other. Bush managed to do that, this President cannot. Right now according to most people, including several here, the most powerful members of the US government are the House republicans. Don't remember anyone claiming anything that occurred during Bush's eight years was the result of democrats in either the House or Senate, even when they controlled both houses.

Quinntessential Posted - 10/16/2013 10:23:07 AM | show profile | flag this post

Don't take blackedtaped's word. What does Senator Obama think of raising the debt ceiling?

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

A sign of leadership failure. Got that, mpdodgson ?

Quinntessential Posted - 10/16/2013 10:33:27 AM | show profile | flag this post

St Reagan ? Seriously? You piss and moan every time President Obama is called "messiah" or "god".

Still mad over the ass-kicking your party got during the 1980's?

Democrats could have defunded these wars and stopped Bush spending. They didn't.

Republicans are doing something your great grand kids will benefit from. Lowering the debt and fixing entitlements.

cruster Posted - 10/16/2013 12:29:23 PM | show profile | flag this post

Ha Ha!

Good one Cotch!

You are hilarious! The funny thing is some people actually believe that, or beleeve. What do you thinkerate?

Ha ha ha!!!!

orthicon Posted - 10/16/2013 12:38:07 PM | show profile | flag this post

whichever way this mess eventually resolves..

john Boehner is finished as speaker of the house..

on balance, that's probably not a good thing..but he couldn't deliver his caucus when he had to.. which is pretty much the only job requirement for that position..

beenthere Posted - 10/16/2013 12:45:49 PM | show profile | flag this post

Keep arguing over who started the fire. Because that's WAY more important than putting out the fire and saving the house.

You realize you sound like football fans? MY TEAM IS BETTER THAN YOURS!!! MY TEAM HAS BETTER STATS THAN YOURS!!!!!

Politics is NOT the super bowl. It's playing with people's LIVES.

But continue your "sports" talk. Continue your distractive squabbling as the House Burns DOWN.

cruiser Posted - 10/16/2013 4:44:12 PM | show profile | flag this post

"john Boehner is finished as speaker of the house"

Don't count your chickens, pal. Boehner allowed the conservative members to get out without a vote so they wouldn't have to compromise their principles.

That may have been a master stroke and may cement his position as Speaker for a long period of time. (I fully realize your wishful thinking won't permit you to countenance that.)

Now the house conservatives can pass the senate alternative as "the best they could do under the circumstances" and not take too much heat from back home.

And that leaves conservatives perfectly free to raise these issues again when the climate is more favorable.

Y'see, a truly impartial analyst...such as you morons pretend to be...would have thought that up all by him/herself.

cruster Posted - 10/16/2013 4:51:50 PM | show profile | flag this post

"That may have been a master stroke"

Everything about this disaster was a master stroke.

The GOP carefully planned this political suicide as a sort of sorbet. It cleanses the pallet of support and popularity so they can enjoy the delicious flavor of brand new supporters that will surely flock to the polls and vote for them.

It's like burning the house down with all you belongings inside AND no home owner's insurance. A fresh start.

Ted Cruz 2016.

VTexan Posted - 10/16/2013 6:09:21 PM | show profile | flag this post


...isn't only defined that way. It also has much to do with direction a leader steers an organization or country, with the examples set in personal and professional style, with the priorities of said organization. There are many kinds of leadership measures.

That this President, who's responsible for one leg of the 3-legged stool that is our government, can't get another leg to do its job is regrettable, but hardly damning of him as a leader. He also can't get the Supreme Court to rule other than the way they did on Citizens United, but that's hardly his fault.

There are several things I'd like to change in that leader, but several things that I feel quite good about as well. And given that his first Presidential opponent was John McCain, whose biggest decision was choosing Sarah Palin as a running mate, I think the leadership we've chosen was exactly the right choice.

blackedtaped Posted - 10/17/2013 4:04:11 PM | show profile | flag this post


The thing is that is one if not the main duty of the President, to steer this three legged stool that makes up the Federal government. Somehow other Presidents have done a much better job than the current one.
And I did not know you felt Obama was the lesser of two evils. I somehow thought you were a "Obama is the greatest ever" kind of guy. Sorry for my confusion on that.

VTexan Posted - 10/17/2013 9:02:27 PM | show profile | flag this post

You're forgiven

Yeah, he was always my choice. If you believe that I don't have a mind and think for myself and see flaws when they're there then you haven't been paying attention. And if you voted for McCain/Palin, then that underscores how fully you weren't paying attention.

orthicon Posted - 10/18/2013 1:07:38 AM | show profile | flag this post

blacked.. i don't think very many obama supporters..

think he's the greatest of all time..i certainly don't.. i'm not even that much of a supporter..

but stacked up against most others in the modern era, he's right up near the top of the good list..

i'm more of a critic of rampant stupidity on the right, rather than a supporter of the left..

blackedtaped Posted - 10/18/2013 9:44:15 AM | show profile | flag this post


When comparing experience, leadership, and the proven ability to work effectively with both parties the choice was clear for me both times. And I don't regret either one.

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