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Posted - 7/20/2013 1:27:58 AM | show profile | flag this post
Obama said some good things today and indeed the race issue, which seems more strained since he took office, should be addressed. But it shows how he's a president who will always find time to comment on social issues but doesn't have the time to talk about the economy or to address the non social needs of this country. He all but ignores things like the IRS crimes, Benghazi, etc.
Again, I'm ashamed of the republicans and independents who didn't vote last November to return america to the people. And because of their ignorance we still have an non-presidential president in that office.
Yes, I know every word I write is being stored somewhere. I don't mind the NSA or CIA knowing what I'm writing because I still trust them. It's this administration that worries me. And no, I'm not a black helicopter nut.
Posted - 7/20/2013 10:07:06 AM | show profile | flag this post
The presidents remarks
were both personal and profound. I'll comment on that next, but I wanted to reply to you newscred first...
"the race issue, which seems more strained since he took office" At the risk of stating the obvious, don't you think that's because we have a black president for the first time? Having a black in the WH has brought out both the crazies and your normal run of the day bigots. I daresay we're going to go thru the same thing when we elect the first Hispanic.
He talks about the economy frequently, it's just not a message his foes want to hear. Earlier this month two economic records were set. The first record shattered was the U.S. government posted a ‘huge’ budget surplus for June, in fact the largest for that month on record at $117 billion. The second record was the Dow, stocks were up 110% during Obama's tenure -- closing in on Reagan's 118%.
It was big news in the business sector, not to so much on Fox. Ignoring garbage like the IRS or Benghazi is to his credit...maybe Congress should take the hint and tell Issa to shut up, and focus on Jobs bills and Immigration Reform.
I feel your pain that 2012 didn't work out the way you wanted. I felt the same way in '04. I have no idea what you meant though with "non-presidential president".
Lastly, I chuckled when you wrote that you trust the NSA or CIA, but the administration. Shades of 'Keep you government hands off my Medicare'. Last I checked, the NSA or CIA are part of the administration.
Posted - 7/20/2013 10:39:44 AM | show profile | flag this post
Neither you nor the president understand the economy
Both of you think the Dow Jones Industrial Average is a measure of its health. It is not. For the last few years, the DJIA has been mainly responsive to the Fed's "quantitative easing" (read: buying government securities to incrase the money supply). Note that in late June when Bernanke announced an end to it and that interest rates would likely rise, the DJIA tanked. It only recovered and resumed its upward climb when Bernanke backed away from that.
The real unemployment rate continues at well over 14 percent and the rates of both job and GDP growth are dismal.
Posted - 7/20/2013 11:02:18 AM | show profile | flag this post
Yeah, we got it.
The Dow going through the roof, lower unemplyment numbers, and an actual budget surplus for month---if that Romney landslide worked out for you?? Does anyone honestly believe you'd be still so critical??
Posted - 7/20/2013 11:13:28 AM | show profile | flag this post
What pisses me off regarding "racial dialogue" is that all the proponents that run around using racism as a platform for profit (Sharpton, Jackson, et al.) don't give two craps about all the black kids killed EVERY DAY in Chicago.
Where is the outrage? Where are the "dialogues?" Where is the media coverage? Where are the solemn presidential press conferences telling us to do better?
Why does the life of a black man only matter when he is killed by someone of another race, which is RARE, statistically speaking?
Why does no one care about CHICAGO?
Posted - 7/20/2013 11:39:37 AM | show profile | flag this post
I understand your frustration, and I believe you're sincere. Especially when it comes to a GLARING example like Chicago. But to infer that no one has spoken up about it is just not true.
“I live on the South side of Chicago,” “Some of these murders are happening just a few blocks from where I live. I have friends whose family members have been killed.”
“What I know is that gun violence is part of the issue,” he said. “But part of the issue also is kids who feel so little hope and think their prospects for the future are so small that their attitude is, ‘I’m going to end up in jail or dead.’ And they will take all kinds of risks.”
“If they’ve got mental health issues, are they getting the kind of services and counseling that they need early on?” he said.
Guess who the "he" is? The president. In another thread beenthere you said this: "Where is the outrage regarding black on black killings? Do black lives only matter if they are taken by Hispanics? Where is the MEDIA OUTRAGE??" You cite the US Dept. of Justice report, “Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008, page 13
Thanks for the source. On the SAME PAGE you can read this: 84% of white victims were killed by whites...93% of black victims were killed by blacks. My question to you is where is the OUTRAGE over the huge white on white killing ratio?? 93% is HORRIBLE, but 84% shows restraint??
On the page before that you find: Whites are more involved in sex related killings than blacks. Whites are more involved in workplace homicides than blacks. Whites are more involved in the killings of senior citizens than blacks. Where's the outrage indeed.
Crime stats and demographics is a tricky issue at best; throw in the race factor and it gets downright ugly. But when you say "using racism as a platform"--that can be applied to both Right & the Left.
Posted - 7/20/2013 12:23:17 PM | show profile | flag this post
To state what mp declines to reveal...
on page 13 of that same study (link below) , the victimization rates for both whites and blacks are shown.
Homicide victimization by whites ages 18-24 in 2008 (the last year of detailed data) was about 12 per 100,000 population.
In the same year homicide victimization by blacks ages 18-24 was more than seven times greater at 91 per 100,000 population.
But one does not see Al or Jesse or Ben or Barack making a big deal out of that. The only times they're visible on this topic is when they think they have something to gain politically and/or emotionally by invoking racism, etc.
Posted - 7/20/2013 12:25:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** Why does no one care about CHICAGO? ***
If you're in Chicago, then ask your friends and neighbors why they don't care about Chicago.
Why isn't Chicago's daily news reported in Los Angeles? For the same reason Los Angeles daily news isn't reported in Chicago -- because our own news that directly affects the people who live here.
The first story about Trayvon Martin was a short article that ran in the Orlando Sentinel the day after he was killed. I found it in the database ProQuest Newsstand. It did not mention race, because what you call "MSM" do not state anyone's race unless there is a need to do it, and it did not name George Zimmerman. It said that the police told residents of the gated community that one of their neighbors had been killed and that there would be a community meeting to talk about it. A few days later, a death notice ran in the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel. It was local news handled as local news.
Social media changed that. Social media gave the story a different life. If the Trayvon Martin story and calls for action hadn't spread like wildfire through social media, it might have remained at most a Florida story as a court test of the "stand your ground" law.
If you care about Chicago, and if you find that your friends and neighbors also care about Chicago, then don't moan that nobody cares about Chicago -- do something about it. Become active, then proactive. Media give you information; it's up to you to do something with it.
Posted - 7/20/2013 12:31:37 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** But one does not see Al or Jesse or Ben or Barack making a big deal out of that. ***
One who doesn't exclusively read uber-conservative and/or paranoia websites knows better than this -- and has for a long, long time.
However, "making a big deal" doesn't mean squat. Anyone can "make a big deal."
Posted - 7/20/2013 3:39:13 PM | show profile | flag this post
Oh cruise, thought you said
"I swear to the deity this is my last ever response to you" Yea, like anyone believed that. ("To state what mp declines to reveal...) Another self-imposed absence that lasted a whole day or two.
All I "revealed" is what anyone can read. Black on Black crime is horrible. White on White crime is not too far behind at terrible. You can cherry pick "2008...In the same year..." all you want. So what.
What do I prove when I state the fact that of the 62 mass shootings in the last 30 years—most of the killers got their guns legally--and the VAST majority of the shooters were white. So, based on that, it's white guys with guns we have to worry about shooting up schools, movie theatres and parking lots. Have a problem with that? Isn't that what I proved? Why hasnt LaPierre come out and proudly proclaim 'If Trayvon had a gun too..he's still be alive' Isn't that what you and he have preached? Self defense and all that? For that matter, why didn't the un-armed teenager have a right to 'Stand his ground'??
But but but but but blah blah blah blah "The only times they're visible on this topic...invoking racism, etc. We're you referring to the Black Civil Rights leaders or the Rabid Right? The Fox news people went into a frantic freak out over this. "Race-Bater in Chief" "Stoking Racial Tension?” Drudge Photo-Shopped Obama into Martins hoodie. Hannity claimed of course Obama can relate to Trayvon because, you know, they were both black kids doing drugs. Sweet Jesus.
Any chance for that 'never responding to me' or another 'self imposed absence'?
Posted - 7/22/2013 10:07:51 AM | show profile | flag this post
It was not a Stand Your Ground case. The laws didn't apply. But the majority of those protesting believe it was a Stand Your Ground case. Again, didn't apply here, it was tried as self defense.
You basically proved my point. When the RACE became known, although INCORRECTLY, all of a sudden massive outswell of outrage.
Kill a kid in Chcago, black on black crime? Eh, nothing to see here, move along.
Although I suspect the story of how it became national is more convoluted. The involvement of those who profit off the perpetualization of racism (Sharptom, Jackson, et al.), as well as the money and staff funneled to Sanford via the CRS played a role. Not just "citizen outrage." But private (race profiteers) and gov't (DOJ's CRS) forces were involved.
I would love to see a timeline of when/how the story really went national. If I have some time today I'll check it out. I enjoy learning the truth about these types of incidents.
Posted - 7/22/2013 10:22:23 AM | show profile | flag this post
Cruiser misreads the stats...
Yes, blacks are involved in more crime than whites. But blacks are also generally in a lower economic sector. Crime has way more to do with economics than race. Rich folk have a lot to lose by going to prison, so when they do a crime they don't use a gun...they use a computer and then when they are caught hire a big money law firm to get them acquitted. On the other hand, minorities are more likely to live in areas where people feel they have nothing to lose and will use a gun to get money, drugs, etc. Of course, since you believe minorities are inferior to whites, you read the numbers the way that fits into your racist view of the world.
Posted - 7/22/2013 11:46:55 AM | show profile | flag this post
*** Although I suspect the story of how it became national is more convoluted. The involvement of those who profit off the perpetualization of racism (Sharptom, Jackson, et al.), as well as the money and staff funneled to Sanford via the CRS played a role. Not just "citizen outrage." But private (race profiteers) and gov't (DOJ's CRS) forces were involved. ***
Of course -- conspiracies! Loads and loads of day-in, day-out conspiracies everywhere you turn!
So you plan to continue sitting there on your butt instead of doing anything to solve your complaint about crime in Chicago? Why?? Is it because you like being able to complain about it? Failing to get involved in a solution makes you part of the problem. If crime in Chicago REALLY bothered you, you'd do something about it.
Dare to discover that the world isn't controlled by government conspiracies -- it's controlled by people like you who either live with it or change it. If you don't like it, get out of your chair and do something in the community to change it. Quit using conspiracy theories as a crutch to let yourself off.
Posted - 7/22/2013 11:47:00 AM | show profile | flag this post
"Cruiser misreads the stats"
No, cruiser doesn't misread the stats. I precisely reported the facts using figures that came directly from the study. You obviously failed to read it and understand it. Like your left wing brethren you spend your time trying to alibi those who perpetrate these kinds of crimes and shift the blame to others instead of helping to come up with a viable solution...and I DON'T mean confiscating everybody's firearms.
You left wing radicals just don't want to admit that the study was spot on. It makes a lie of your narrative.
Posted - 7/22/2013 12:01:28 PM | show profile | flag this post
Gotta love how cruzo...
makes it ALL about race.
In citing the report, he fails to take into account the effects of poverty, lack of opportunity and a biased criminal justice system -- fueled largely by unacknowledged racism -- as contributing factors toward the numbers he cited.
He's looking for some creative editing to justify his own racism.
Posted - 7/22/2013 12:19:16 PM | show profile | flag this post
Of course -- conspiracies! Loads and loads of day-in, day-out conspiracies everywhere you turn!
Of course, when GD is faced with seeking facts she immediately yells about "conspiracy theories" because SHE believes that they exist. Facts don't exist in GD's world, so why go look for them?
FACT: Sharpton and Jackson make money off racism. YOU DENY THIS IS TRUE?
FACT: CRS, a unit of the U.S. Dept of Justice was alive and well supporting and funding protests in Sanford, FL. YOU DENY THIS IS TRUE?
Apparently, it is A-OK for the government to support and assist protesters. No need to research further, no need to get any more facts.
I suspect GD was yelling "conspiracy theory" at anyone who dared question the Tawana Brawley case. You know, because looking for facts is something only nutjobs do. In GD's world, journalists never look for facts. In fact, Zimmerman was a Stand Your Ground case, according to GD.
Posted - 7/22/2013 12:44:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
"cruzo makes it ALL about race"
No, cruiser makes it all about facts. The racial aspects are a sidebar...integral to the facts but a sidebar. One the radical left tries its very best to ignore or cover up because it destroys their narrative and their kumbaya "sensitivities."
Posted - 7/22/2013 1:18:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
Obama translation: "Look!..over there...a shiny object"
Detroit , 100% owned and operated by democrats is bankrupt....Benghazi scandal...IRS scandal....NSA scandal....country 17 trillion in debt...
but let's talk about Trayvon.
Our race baiting president would rather stir up his angry base, than work on actual problems.
Time to Party with Jay z and Beyonce you slacker.
Posted - 7/22/2013 1:25:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
We just disagree.
You're right when you say "not a Stand Your Ground case. "The laws didn't apply" Then why don't you ask, 'Why not?' What the hell is the law for then? IF GZ had the right to defend himself after being attacked (sounds reasonable to me) why didnt TM have the same right? He was the one being stalked and confronted with a guy with a gun. And for that matter, why doesn't the un-official NRA rule apply?? (If only Trayvon had a gun, he'd still be alive, after all, he wasn't even breaking the law!) Just think about it.
(And please, let's not even bring up--again--this Black on Black crime is worse than White on Crime bullshit. It's not true in the first place, and has nothing to do with the GZ case anyway)
"Sharpton and Jackson make money off racism. YOU DENY THIS IS TRUE?" NO. Racism can be very profitable. Beck, Coulter, O'Reilly, et al, make millions off of it. "U.S. Dept of Justice was alive and well supporting and funding protests in Sanford, FL. YOU DENY THIS IS TRUE?" YES YOU MORON. This is one of the many many many examples that paint you to be a Conspiracy Nut. The DOJ sends people into municipalities all the time to HELP them deal with potential problems--not to spark them.
"Tawana Brawley". REALLY?? You're going there? Even though many Libs, including me, think Sharptons an asshole, you're going there?? Because we all know ALL conservative activists and commentators just LOVE minorities....
Look...you're the one who has time and time and time again painted yourself as a conspiracy freak. If you don't like the reputation you've earned, you shouldn't have started it in the first place.
Posted - 7/22/2013 2:07:16 PM | show profile | flag this post
GD: Did you write this headline?
State lawmakers hold open meeting tonight on Trayvon Martin, Stand Your Ground law
Media WRONG again.
MP, fact searching is fact searching. If you think people shouldn't do research and look for FACTS then I don't think you understand what journalism is supposed to be.
Google michael hastings and look for the news reports by Kimberly Dvorack in San Diego. THAT is journalism. Not the crappola "official said all is ok, nothing to see here" garbage that is simply reading press release off teleprompters that passes for "news" these days.
Also, if you can't google "stand your ground law," "self defense law" and "Florida" and learn FOR YOURSELF what the difference is, well, I don't know what to say. Learning what they both mean explains why it wasn't used as a defense.
I still have YET to hear any type of explanation why the death of a black person only matters if he/she is killed by someone identified as "white."
Posted - 7/22/2013 2:56:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
puzo is back with his wango showing...
You can tell by the racist tirades he goes off on.
Posted - 7/22/2013 3:49:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
beenthere? cruise is more logical than you are
And that's REALLY saying something. I AGREE with him when he said "The racial aspects are a sidebar...integral to the facts but a sidebar". Was there 'profiling' going on here? Of course there was. (How many Girl Scouts or Christmas Carolers did GZ follow with a gun in the past few years?) But did that have anything to do with the verdict? Don't think so. It boiled down to self-defense, and the prosecution sucked.
Enough of that. If you hate the media so much, why are you here? Just to air paranoid grievances? That's a pretty sad way to go thru the day. So the Palm Beach paper printed the agenda of a very small community group. "Media WRONG again" HOW?? That's like saying the printer screwed up on your Chinese menu because you hate their duck.
"Google michael hastings". Don't have to. He was an excellant reporter with his best years ahead of him who died in a tragic accident. ("A witness to the crash said that he seemed to be driving at the car's maximum speed before the car fishtailed and crashed into a palm tree"). If freelancers like Dvorak want to manufacture a conspiracy out of it, I don't care. (See "Obama killed Breitbart" or "Hillary killed Foster")
"YET to hear any type of explanation why the death of a black person only matters if he/she is killed by someone identified as "white." WHO said that??? Where have you been?? The horrible shooting deaths of black/white/young/old in ANY city, be it Chicago or Newtown, has been very much in the news these past years.
GET. A. FRIGGIN. LIFE. Outside of the Men in Black comic books.
Posted - 7/22/2013 5:14:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
eta, thanks for the alert that wacko is puko.
Posted - 7/22/2013 7:50:43 PM | show profile | flag this post
puzo?..my old friend subhuman toilet scum is back?
wondered what happened to him..
didn't CARE, you understand.. just wondered..
Posted - 7/22/2013 8:08:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
Detroit was doing fine until the Trayvon verdict
Another causality of America's racist problems.