Here's something else you won't hear Obama admit

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cruiser Posted - 10/24/2013 1:24:20 PM | show profile | flag this post

Obama famously said in 2009, "(Y)ou can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."

But that turns out to be another in a long line of falsehoods Obama has told concerning is "signature achievement." Here's what's actually happening:

"Millions of Americans Are Losing Their Health Plans Because of Obamacare"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/millions-americans-are-losing-their-health-plans-because-obamacare_764602.html

"Health care users start to get kicked off insurance plans"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/23/obamacares-first-users-start-to-get-kicked-off-ins/

And the sick, sick left wingers here are still trying to carry Obama's water concerning Obamacare.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/24/2013 2:14:57 PM | show profile | flag this post

Myths...

picked up by the right wing media.

Truth is, no one is losing their insurance due to Obamacare. But as many as 60 million MORE Americans are now able to get health insurance.

Nice try -- posting a bunch of new threads -- to divert attention from your insane post about a conspiracy theory in Texas, cruzo.

But we still want to know what your basing your claim on that the Texas Voter ID Law was a "Democratic Party conspiracy" when it was the favorite bill of the Texas GOP for SIX YEARS.

cruiser Posted - 10/24/2013 3:26:54 PM | show profile | flag this post

Even in the face of credible evidence

he continues to try to push his fairytale.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/24/2013 3:28:55 PM | show profile | flag this post

C'mon, cruzo...

you know everything from your personal experience.

So, dig deep into your big brain and tell us how, exactly, the GOP's Voter ID Law -- that the Republicans fought to get passed for six years and put into effect for two more -- was really a secret Democratic conspiracy.

C'mon, "genius."

Our casual readers want to know.

cruiser Posted - 10/24/2013 4:43:05 PM | show profile | flag this post

My original post was about Obama's lies

His false contention that if you liked your doctor or your plan you could keep them. We know now that was a lie.

etwinkie is not disputing that Obama said what he said...or that it turns out to be untrue. He cannot make such a claim...the evidence is clear. So now etwinkie wants to hijack this thread and change the subject to take the focus off of Obama's lies.

Every rational reader here knows what he's doing...I have no need to add anything. I'm done here.

orthicon Posted - 10/24/2013 6:26:27 PM | show profile | flag this post

what credible evidence, cruiztwit?

a BLOG from the weekly standard?..

a story from one of america's most biased newspapers?

you're absolutely hopeless.. as a "Media person"..

and as a human being..

cruster Posted - 10/24/2013 8:18:14 PM | show profile | flag this post

Every rational reader here knows what he's doing...

Which naturally leaves out cruiser.

He said "rational reader"

This is another example of black helicopter socialism from Kenyan Muslim to fluoridate the water in Benghazi and cover up global cooling with a fake moon landing.

Cruz/Palin 2016



proudliberal Posted - 10/28/2013 11:30:29 AM | show profile | flag this post

BC/BS exec explained it...

It is a transition from their current policies to ones that fit under the Obamacare guidelines. No one is "losing" their insurance, they just can't keep the policy they have. Most will save money. Some will pay more but will get it back through subsidies. Others will pay more initially but rates should come down as more people enroll. Please do not post on this site if you watch Fox, listen to Rush or read Drudge. It is too annoying to correct the inaccuracies you keep regurgitating.

beenthere Posted - 10/29/2013 10:17:06 AM | show profile | flag this post


Truth is, no one is losing their insurance due to Obamacare.

Well, yes, they are.

1. My company dropped it's PPO plan in favor of high deductible SPECIFICALLY TO MEET ACA REQUIREMENTS.

So, my good plan was replaced with a crappy one.

2. Insurance costs for the middle class have increased greatly. Some can NO LONGER AFFORD health insurance. So they will be doing without.

Funny how not one government agency has any idea how many formerly uninsured people have now successfully enrolled in an exchange. Should be any easy stat to get.

As I have repeated, repeated , repeated, WAIT UNTIL THE NUMBERS COME OUT.

I think most on this board will be shocked at the outcome. If they bother to even look at the numbers.

I predict FEWER healthcare services, FEWER doctor visits will be used in 2014. The middle class simply won't be able to afford paying for it on top of the monthly premiums.


Quinntessential Posted - 10/29/2013 10:26:48 AM | show profile | flag this post

Oh my.....

Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.


Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/29/21222195-obama-administration-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance#comments

Policy cancellations, higher premiums add to frustration over Obamacare

(CBS News) Nearly five weeks into the launch of HealthCare.gov, the management expert brought in to turn around the website says its issues are fixable. But it's going to take weeks, not days. That comes as some Americans are being surprised, not only that they are being booted off their current plans, but at how much they're being asked to pay for new ones.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57609534/obamacare-hundreds-of-thousands-of-existing-health-plans-being-terminated/

How does the partisan politifact rate president Obama's “If You Like Your Insurance You Can Keep It. Period!” lie?

A half truth.


beenthere Posted - 10/29/2013 10:31:26 AM | show profile | flag this post

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/07/president-obama-continues-questionable-you-can-keep-your-health-care-promise/

“Let me be exactly clear about what health care reform means to you,” the president told residents of the Garden State. “First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR PLAN. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.” [caps mine]

Well, no, I couldn't. My plan does not exist anymore.
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http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2013/October/21/cancellation-notices-health-insurance.aspx

"Health plans are sending hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters to people who buy their own coverage, frustrating some consumers who want to keep what they have and forcing others to buy more costly policies.

The main reason insurers offer is that THE POLICIES FALL SHORT OF WHAT THE Affordable Care Act REQUIRES starting Jan. 1. Most are ending policies sold after the law passed in March 2010. At least a few are cancelling plans sold to people with pre-existing medical conditions." [caps mine]
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/millions-americans-are-losing-their-health-plans-because-obamacare_764602.html

"The U.S. individual health insurance market currently totals about 19 million people. Because the Obama administration's regulations on grandfathering existing plans were so stringent about 85% of those, 16 million, are not grandfathered and must comply with Obamacare at their next renewal. The rules are very complex. For example, if you had an individual plan in March of 2010 when the law was passed and you only increased the deductible from $1,000 to $1,500 in the years since, your plan has lost its grandfather status and it will no longer be available to you when it would have renewed in 2014.

These 16 million people are now receiving letters from their carriers saying they are losing their current coverage and must re-enroll in order to avoid a break in coverage and comply with the new health law's benefit mandates––the vast majority by January 1. Most of these will be seeing some pretty big rate increases.

Kaiser Health News called up a few insurers around the country and found that hundreds of thousands of Americans have already received cancellation notices."

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The INSURERS THEMSELVES are saying consumers CANNOT KEEP THEIR INSURANCE. That they are sending out CANCELLATION NOTICES.

Reading comprehension folks. Try it sometime. You can't keep the insurance plan that you currently have



cruiser Posted - 10/29/2013 10:56:24 AM | show profile | flag this post

"No one is 'losing' their insurance,

they just can't keep the policy they have."

So you are now in a position to decide for Obama? He CLEARLY said...on MANY occasions..."if you like your plan, if you like your doctor, you can keep them...period."

That is demonstrably false. People DEFINITELY ARE losing their insurance and doctors.

Well over a million people already have had their health insurance policies cancelled and hundreds of doctors are now declining to participate in Obamacare.

Even the White House press room...which up to yesterday had been dutifully repeating the president's false assertions...has now come around to saying "MOST people can keep their plan." And it will eventually be revealed that "most" people CANNOT keep their current plan

That's a far cry from Obama assertions...which by the way he knew to be false as long as three years ago but kept lying to the American people..

Grateful Deadline Posted - 10/29/2013 12:33:16 PM | show profile | flag this post

What a silly thread -- the usual "Current Events" special composed of junk.

The No. 1 stunner: that President Obama has had the time to make decisions for beenthere's employer, which he/she has described in the past as exceedingly large, about which insurance to offer to its employees.

I am very glad that President Obama has graciously allowed my own employer, which has only 45,000 employees, to keep its menu of insurers, even adding a couple of new policy choices. Because I am eligible for employer insurance and therefore ineligible for a tax rebate, I will take a slightly better policy from the employer at $19.50 a month and drop my individual policy of $570 a month for a single subscriber with the same insurer, keeping the same doctor.

It is, indeed, curious that President Obama ordered beenthere's employers to change insurers and soak employees for the rates, but did not do the same to my employer. The only logical conclusion is that President Obama hates beenthere's employer's employees and wants to force them into Obamacare, which, of course, isn't possible as long as they're employed where insurance is offered. So it must be that President Obama hates the employees *and* is forcing them off insurance altogether in order to collect the maximum $295 fine per family next year.

beenthere Posted - 10/29/2013 12:41:29 PM | show profile | flag this post

GD,

Let me put it in very simple language:

The ACA requires healthcare insurance companies to meet certain requirements, which has changed how much healthcare insurance plans costs, as well as what types of healthcare insurance plans are offered.

Get it? Of course not.

Keep being willingly, intentionally, stubbornly ignorant. Ignore the basic facts that a fifth-grader would understand.



con Posted - 10/29/2013 3:58:17 PM | show profile | flag this post

from the left's favorite republican chris christie-

“The real problem is that people weren’t told the truth,” Christie added, pivoting to the White House. He said that the public was flatly told that they could keep their insurance plans if they liked them which is turning out not to be the case for millions.

“The White House needs to square that with what was told to the American people and told to the Congress beforehand,” Christie concluded. “It doesn’t seem to square at the moment.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-christie-jabs-obama-we-weren%E2%80%99t-told-the-truth-about-obamacare/

cue the hate and fat jokes in 3...2....


"No one is 'losing' their insurance,

they just can't keep the policy they have."

this is the lameration we're getting from the left.

con Posted - 10/29/2013 3:58:17 PM | show profile | flag this post

from the left's favorite republican chris christie-

“The real problem is that people weren’t told the truth,” Christie added, pivoting to the White House. He said that the public was flatly told that they could keep their insurance plans if they liked them which is turning out not to be the case for millions.

“The White House needs to square that with what was told to the American people and told to the Congress beforehand,” Christie concluded. “It doesn’t seem to square at the moment.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-christie-jabs-obama-we-weren%E2%80%99t-told-the-truth-about-obamacare/

cue the hate and fat jokes in 3...2....


"No one is 'losing' their insurance,

they just can't keep the policy they have."

this is the lameration we're getting from the left.

beenthere Posted - 10/29/2013 5:12:30 PM | show profile | flag this post


Florida Blue is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state.

Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state.

Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers.

Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent.

Blue Shield of California sent roughly 119,000 cancellation notices out in mid-September, about 60 percent of its individual business. About TWO-THIRDS of those policyholders WILL SEE RATE INCREASES in their new policies, said spokesman Steve Shivinsky.
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Some receiving cancellations say it looks like their costs will go up, despite studies projecting that about half of all enrollees will get income-based subsidies.

Kris Malean, 56, lives outside Seattle, and has a health policy that costs $390 a month with a $2,500 deductible and a $10,000 in potential out-of-pocket costs for such things as doctor visits, drug costs or hospital care.

As a replacement, Regence BlueShield is offering her a plan for $79 more a month with a deductible twice as large as what she pays now, but which limits her potential out-of-pocket costs to $6,250 a year, including the deductible.
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Plans cancelled, costs UP.



cruiser Posted - 10/29/2013 6:54:22 PM | show profile | flag this post

I'll bet

voters will be REALLY, REALLY pissed at Democrats by the time November '14 rolls around.

cruster Posted - 10/29/2013 7:36:56 PM | show profile | flag this post

Another Romney Landslide cruiser?!

Because voters were really pissed after MediCare Plan D was rolled out to a huge disaster too. How's that going?

And there is no chance at all that, after the website is fixed and the insurance market becomes more stable, that republicans will do something incredibly stupid to draw attention away from the ACA roll out.

Nope.

They wouldn't do anything stupid like that. Would they?

Cruz/Palin 2016


mpdodgson Posted - 10/29/2013 9:16:50 PM | show profile | flag this post

Grateful's right again

"the usual "Current Events" special composed of junk.", i.e., 'We hate Obama"

beenthere is pissed because she has one lousy HR Department, so of course, that's Obama's fault.

Insurance companies are screwing consumers. So of course, that's Obama's fault. It's not like these guys are in it for the money, right?? They just have everyone's (and yes, I mean the nation's too) best interest at heart, right?? Just like Wall Street a decade ago; they would never ever do anything solely for profit, right??

And of course, the best way to maximize profit is to DROP EVERYONE. That's what I keep hearing. Surely that keeps the money rolling in. Damn. I was also told this was 'Socialized Medicine'...run by a dictator no less. So if things aren't going according to plan, where's the dictatorship??

Oh, yea, a Republican with possible designs on 2016 is critical of ObamaCare. I'm shocked to hear that.

Of course, cruiser has to add "...I have no need to add anything. I'm done here"....But I want to post at least two more times. Why you little tease you.

Millions of totally un-insured americans will get insurance...many for the first times in their lives. But we don't give a rats ass about them. We've been waiting for well, GENERATIONS, for the Republicans to put in place THEIR IDEAS for Health Care Reform. Now that we are finally on the verge of it, wiating for 30 minutes on line to get an application is a SHEER TORTURE I tell ya.

Yea cruise. Astound us again with your election predictions.

Quinntessential Posted - 10/29/2013 9:47:50 PM | show profile | flag this post

""the usual "Current Events" special composed of junk.", i.e., 'We hate Obama""

Because we hate Fox News is so worthwhile, MP?

_______________or_________________________

Fox News lies and misleads = bad

President Obama lies and misleads = So what? It's all good.


President Obama knowing lied to America. most Americans give a rats ass. BUT BUSH!!!! BUT BUSH!!!!!!

Yes dems, apply your Bush standards to Obama.

cruiser Posted - 10/29/2013 10:46:55 PM | show profile | flag this post

"Insurance companies are screwing consumers"

I just cannot believe you left wingers are so stupid you can't see what's actually going on!

The insurance companies are NOT screwing anybody. The insurance companies are dropping health insurance plans that ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ACA*. They are offering alternative plans mandated by the ACA that are 1) much more expensive, 2) have MUCH, MUCH higher deductibles, 3) every single one contains coverages that the insured DOES NOT WANT AND DOES NOT NEED such as 60-year-old single men having maternity coverage.

This will be the biggest disaster ever to be visited on the people of the United States by THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.

* Not in compliance with the ACA: Even though Obama publicly promised...MANY times, beginning in 2010...that Americans who liked their plans and their doctors could keep them -- they would be grandfathered -- that was NEVER part of Obama's agenda. RIGHT AFTER THE ACA WAS PASSED, HHS wrote rules that invalidated VIRTUALLY EVERY GRANDFATHERED PLAN IN EXISTENCE. The rule mandated that ANY change to the plan would disqualify it from being grandfathered.

Are you people lemmings? Is Obama the pied piper? What has caused you morons to take leave of your senses?

Quinntessential Posted - 10/29/2013 11:04:10 PM | show profile | flag this post

LOL@Obama the pied piper


" What has caused you morons to take leave of your senses?"

Liberalism and the fact President Obama is black.

Can you imagine how liberals will act if Hillary becomes president?



beenthere Posted - 10/30/2013 10:01:02 AM | show profile | flag this post

mpdodgson,

Find ONE instance where I use Obama's name. Just one.

I don't play that ridiculous football your team/my team crap. The fact that you would even accuse me of it says you do not read my posts.

The FACT is that people are losing their policies.
The FACT is that people are losing their doctors.
The FACT is that premiums are increasing.

And the FACT is, it is DIRECTLY attributable to the ACA.

Here's an NBC news article:

Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/29/21222195-obama-administration-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”
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Do you STILL believe that everyone is going to keep the same plan from 2013 to 2014??

The cognitive dissonance is astounding.



beenthere Posted - 10/30/2013 10:08:07 AM | show profile | flag this post

Posting this by itself:

" 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law.

One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”
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To review: Cancellation because the policies DO NOT MEET ACA REQUIREMENTS.

Again, reading comprehension.


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