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Posted - 1/23/2013 2:47:38 PM | show profile | flag this post
Secondary Anus Installation Expert.
She sure tore a new one on Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) today.
And she sure put the GOP's politicization of Benghazi into perspective.
Posted - 1/23/2013 4:08:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
Hillary had these guys for lunch.
To their credit, no Repub echoed the Fox storyline that she avoided them because of a fake brain clot....
But it was humorous to watch someone--anyone--try to say she hasn't takene blam for anything after doing so almost every week since September. But the best part was watching Sen Johnson desperately claiming that "a simple phone call" would have cleared up matters.
Right. You have a consulate underattack, on fire, draggin survivors out, gunmen everywhere--but a phone call would have cleared up the confusion. "“First of all, senator, I would say that once the assault happened and once we got our people rescued and out, our most immediate concern was number one taking care of their injuries,” Clinton responded. “I certainly did not know of any reports that contradicted the I.C. talking points at the time that Ambassador Rice went on the TV shows. And you know, I just want to say that people have accused Ambassador Rice and the administration of misleading Americans. I can say, trying to be in the middle of this and understanding what was going on, nothing could be further from the truth.”
Sen. Johnson pressed Clinton again to answer whether she agrees that a “simple phone call” to the evacuees would have been a better way to ascertain that there was no organic “protest” leading up to the assault.
“Senator, when you’re in these positions, the last thing you want to do is interfere with any other process going on,” Clinton replied, adding that her State Department was allowing the FBI to first conduct its interviews.
“I realize that’s a good excuse,” Johnson interrupted.
“Well, no, it’s the fact,” Clinton shot back. “Even today, there are questions being raised. We have no doubt they were terrorists, they were militants, they attacked us, they killed our people. But what was going on, and why they were doing what they were doing is still unknown.”
Cinton answered Johnson’s attempt to try to drum up a scandal for the White House sternly and directly, “With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they’d go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make! It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, senator. Now honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information"
"This is the hearing that Republicans have been waiting for, and so far Sec. Clinton has absolutely eaten them alive"
Posted - 1/24/2013 1:16:26 PM | show profile | flag this post
Rachel Maddow had a great follow up...
About how there has been some kind of attack on a U.S. embassy pretty much at least every year since the 1970s...yet all of a sudden there is a huge "cover up" and the whole thing was Obama's fault. It was nothing more than a ploy to get Romney votes and that sure didn't work. Election's over, losers...let's get back to real business that someone actually cares about...
Posted - 1/24/2013 2:50:30 PM | show profile | flag this post
all in all
The Republicans ended up looking pretty foolish. Rand Paul trying to look smarter and cockier than Hillary was a Zen moment. If he was president he'd fire her. President Rand Paul. Just let that one roll around in your head for a second.
Why didn't you read the 'cable' (out of thousands per day). "A simple phone call" would have helped, blah blah blah. Hell during the first 9/11, in between the two towers falling, you think Cheney would have had a clear picture as to what was going on and who was responsible--with a simple phone call?!?!
I even heard Repubs bitch why weren't the Marine Embassy guards used better. Duh. It wasn't an embassy.
A small intesting tidbit did catch my eye: "NBC/WSJ poll: 41% of Republicans approve of Clinton’s job as secretary of state (compared with just 10% who approve of Obama’s job as president). She is a class act, ya gott admit.
Posted - 1/24/2013 4:00:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
The whole "phone call" thing...
was the biggest eye-roller of the day.
Yeah, you've got a CIA security team blasting their way into a fight. Sure, the commander's got time to take a phone call from the Secretary of State to give her a blow-by-blow description of the firefight.
Some Republicans have been watching too much "24."
Posted - 1/24/2013 4:24:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
"and the whole thing was Obama's fault"
Nobody...repeat, NOBODY...is blaming Obama for the attack on the Benghazi consulate. But the coverup for the securtity breakdown...and for the phony "demonstration" story told by Rice and repeated by others...were both crudely done, not believable in any sense and CERTAINLY the fault of the administration, whether that be Obama, Clinton or both.
Hillary has had weeks to examine all that has gone before her and to get her story straight...or to "not recall" the facts.
Posted - 1/24/2013 4:28:01 PM | show profile | flag this post
What does it matter?
Damn, I thought the Secretary of State would know the answer to that one.
Posted - 1/24/2013 6:47:48 PM | show profile | flag this post
With all due respect, you're taking things off the timeline. At the time; no one knew crap--except that we were being attacked. "Damn, I thought the Secretary of State would know the answer to that one" Really? What Clinton said exactly:
“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. If it was because of a protest or if it was because guys out for a walk decided to go kill some Americans. What difference at this point does it make?” Clinton shot back in a raised voice.
“It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer my questions about this but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get the best information … but you know, to be clear, it is from my perspective, less important today looking backward as to why these militants decided to do it, as to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on in the meantime.”
Now you tell me if Condi Rice or Colin Powell or Cheney 'would have answers to that one' on the night of 9/11 who did this to us?
(PS to cruise: "Hillary has had weeks to examine all that has gone before her and to get her story straight" She has taken full responsibility since Day One. So has the president. No one got awarded the Medal of Freedom like after the iraq debacle.
And if you want to see how ""not recall" the facts is played by a pro?? WATCH THIS display. Youd DID NOT see Hillary do this.
Posted - 1/24/2013 10:35:11 PM | show profile | flag this post
It's truly amazing
how left wingers' response to criticism. They go WAY back in history to pull up something that they consider moral equivalence as a means of justifying...or at least excusing...bad conduct by Democrats.
The point is Hillary came down with a bad case of convenient amnesia...no doubt caused by her diplomatic concussion.
Posted - 1/25/2013 9:14:59 AM | show profile | flag this post
Watch out for whiplash...
"If it was because of a protest or if it was because guys out for a walk decided to go kill some Americans. What difference at this point does it make?”
“It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator."
What?? It must be just me, but those two statements are completely opposite. It does not matter what happened but it is our job to figure out what happened? Seriously?
Posted - 1/25/2013 9:41:15 AM | show profile | flag this post
And cruzo buys into ANOTHER...
Posted - 1/25/2013 10:35:47 AM | show profile | flag this post
This dude is off on some tangential universe...
...not even a parallel one.
Posted - 1/25/2013 10:47:10 AM | show profile | flag this post
Cruzo's flawed "going way back in history"...
argument doesn't hold water.
The comparison is a valid one. And cruzo's inability to understand the difficulties in determining what was going on in the heat of battle explains why he latches on to every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike.
The point is, it was no more easy to find out what was happening in Benghazi on September 11, 2012 than it was to find out what was happening in New York and the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.
In cruzo's case, he holds Democrats to a higher standard than Republicans.
Remember, it was NINE days before the Bush White House formally said it was al Qaida that attacked us in 2001.
No one claimed the White House was covering up anything. They just wanted to get their facts straight. Remember, Donald Rumsfeld wanted to launch an attack on Iraq -- convinced it was their doing.
In 2012, President Obama announced THE VERY NEXT DAY that the Benghazi attack was an act of terror. But extreme right wing fringe types have tried to parse his words in symantic gymnastics to try to change the meaning of his speech.
Again -- cruzo and right wingers holding Democrats to a higher standard -- and an impossible one.
At the same time, Republicans in Congress wanted an investigation into "Zero Dark Thirty" -- claiming, falsely, the movie makers had been given sensitive or classified information -- notably that stealth helicopters were used (a fact that was all over the global media the DAY AFTER the Osama bin Laden raid).
But many of these same Republicans are outraged that Susan Rice didn't go onto national TV and divulge classified national security information instead of going with the statements that had been cleared by our national intelligence professionals -- not appointees -- but career intel officers.
And when you build your whole case on politics and conspiracy, it's easy to see why Hillary ripped the GOP Senators apart in that hearing.
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Posted - 1/25/2013 10:53:35 AM | show profile | flag this post
I took Secretary Clinton's statement to mean what difference AT THE TIME OF THE ATTACK did it make to know what the motive was. American citizens' lives were at stake. The priority was saving American lives AT THE TIME OF THE ATTACK. Do you not understand how retarded it sounds to say "well you could have just made a phone call while Americans are dying to ask exactly what started it all".
Secretary Clinton stated that after the situation was under control, then it was time to investigate, find out what happened and determine how to make sure it never happens again. The FBI was sent immediately to investigate. I'm sure you and the rest of your party would have a problem if the State Department investigated this attack.
GOP controlled Congress slashed funding for foreign services security. The GOP is still ignoring funding for diplomatic security.
Posted - 1/25/2013 11:18:46 AM | show profile | flag this post
The emotional fervor and verbal gymnastics
in which the left wing in engaging...and the intensity of their argument...is a sure sign that conservatives are closing in on the REAL story...and the left wants to prevent that.
These morons are going to get speeding tickets trying to circle their wagons.
Posted - 1/25/2013 11:32:29 AM | show profile | flag this post
has it exactly right:
"I took Secretary Clinton's statement to mean what difference AT THE TIME OF THE ATTACK did it make to know what the motive was. American citizens' lives were at stake. The priority was saving American lives AT THE TIME OF THE ATTACK."
And there was a huge scramble to do just that -- the local team responded within 25 minutes. Special Forces units in Tripoli and Italy were dispatched ASAP, but the fight was over before they could arrive.
The conspiracy theorists are clinging to a leftover campaign attack from the 2012 election that didn't pan out.
On top of that, there have been attacks on U.S. diplomatic posts in almost every single year since the 1970s. It's odd that this attack and ONLY this attack is getting so much attention.
It's purely political.
Posted - 1/25/2013 11:37:57 AM | show profile | flag this post
Agree it is political, a last ditch attempt to attack Hillary
as she leaves office after doing a great job. The cons want
to smear her because she is popular and a viable
presidential candidate for 2016
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Posted - 1/25/2013 11:42:47 AM | show profile | flag this post
That was my statement in response to blackedtaped that you are giving credit to blackedtaped for posting.
I wish blackedtaped had been smart enough to post what I posted, but alas, he wasn't.
Posted - 1/25/2013 11:45:19 AM | show profile | flag this post
Sorry, It's Only TV...
YOU got it right then.
Posted - 1/25/2013 12:00:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
it's just tv folks. For getting your handle wrong.
Sinuses are killing me today -- can barely see the screen and am typing like I'm wearing mittens.
Posted - 1/25/2013 12:54:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
eta.. so, in other words..
nothing's changed, right?..:-)
Posted - 1/25/2013 1:47:40 PM | show profile | flag this post
At least I'm not drinking...
Posted - 1/25/2013 2:01:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
If I were only smarter...
I would have been able to understand that the phrase "at THIS point" referred to a point in the past and not the current time frame. I guess I would have understood better had she said "at THAT point". But then I just ain't near as smart as you fellas.
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Posted - 1/26/2013 1:08:06 PM | show profile | flag this post
I guess it's encouraging
that blackedtaped understands his short comings, but then again he totally missed the point of my post ... typical ... sad ...
At the time of the attack, it was not a priority to find out what happened, it was a priority to rescue our people. The time for investigation is later.
It's like ... say you were walking down the street and you're hit by a car. No, better yet, say your imaginary son is walking down the street and gets shot. He's still alive, but barely. Police arrive and instead of trying to save his life, they decide they should investigate first, that is their top priority. You're ok with that blackedtaped.
Posted - 1/26/2013 3:01:02 PM | show profile | flag this post
"At the time of the attack, it was not a priority
to find out what happened"
But at the time of the five Sunday morning talking head shows, it apparently WAS a priority to PRETEND the administration knew what happened and it was erroneously...or deliberately untruthfully...reported.
The untruthfulness continued for two weeks...even AFTER it was widely known what actually happened.
A day after the incident the Libyan president told CBS News what actually happened and that the perpetrators had "come into the country from several directions."