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Is he serious???

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cruiser	Posted - 12/6/2012 11:44:29 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Is Obama REALLY willing to allow the country to plunge off of the fiscal cliff over tax rates on the top 2%??? Apparently, the answer is YES. http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/271267-geithner-white-house-absolutely-willing-to-face-fiscal-cliff-over-tax-rates But I want all Democrats and Obama supporters to take note of this: The amount of money over which Obama is willing to raise taxes on EVERYONE...EVEN THE MIDDLE CLASS...and SLASH billions from Medicare, defense and other essential programs IS BARELY ENOUGH TO PAY THE INTEREST ON THE NATIONAL DEBT FOR EIGHTEEN DAYS...OR LESS. And the president's tax hike scheme doesn't even reduce spending by a single penny. It merely slows the rate of GROWTH of spending. It's too bad we cannot define stark raving lunacy as high crimes and misdemeanors.

newscred	Posted - 12/6/2012 2:50:46 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Agree I wonder why we haven't heard these kinds of figures and arguments written into news stories about this issue. Oh yeah, it's because the once proud news media of this nation has for the past 5 years been presenting only one side of the story; the administration's. I use to laugh at the idea that Obama and his handlers were intent on pushing the nation into an economic recession, to allow the government to take more and more control. Doesn't seem so outrageous any more.

mpdodgson	Posted - 12/6/2012 10:26:26 PM \| show profile \| flag this post To answer the question YES. He is serious. Why? Because dealing with the Debt and Deficit are serious issues demanding serious adult decisions. And that means doing the serious job that you were elected to do--instead of bowing down to some un-elected blowhard demagogue like Norquist. IF you read the piece past the headline, you would have noticed "If Republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff?" asked CNBC reporter Steve Liesman. "Absolutely," said Geithner. "We see no prospect for an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2 percent of the wealthiest." "We're not going to make the American people pay the price again for a group of minority Republicans who say they want to threaten default occasionally," he said. Geithner indicated that the White House was willing to look for a compromise on spending cuts, including entitlement reforms, but would only come to the table once the GOP agrees to raise tax rates. "If Republicans recognize this basic reality, that rates are going to have to go up as part of a balanced plan ... we will be prepared to do a substantial amount of meaningful reforms on the spending side, including entitlements," he said. "We think there's a lot of room for movement on that side, provided there's that recognition." Yowzers. "PART OF A BALANCED PLAN"??? "COMPROMISE"??? The nerve of this guy--acting like a serious adult. (And note to newscred?? Good Lawd this is getting old...and yet you continue to make a fool of yourself. "I wonder why we haven't heard these kinds of figures and arguments written into news stories about this issue." HUH?? cruise was quoting a NEWS STORY. It was even on TV. Grow up. Shut up. Or leave us alone. Take your pick) Geithner indicated that the White House was willing to look for a compromise on spending cuts, including entitlement reforms, but would only come to the table once the GOP agrees to raise tax rates. "If Republicans recognize this basic reality, that rates are going to have to go up as part of a balanced plan ... we will be prepared to do a substantial amount of meaningful reforms on the spending side, including entitlements," he said. "We think there's a lot of room for movement on that side, provided there's that recognition."

cruiser	Posted - 12/6/2012 11:37:54 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Look, either you're in on the scam or you don't have a friggin' clue. The reason Obama is so intractible on the tax rate issue...ONLY on the top 2 percent...is he's using it as leverage. He's trying to force the top 2 percent to put pressure on Boehner to back away from entitlement reforms, "loophole" closures, etc., because the business members of the GOP "establishment" LIKE their perks and the niches they occupy and they want things to remain just as they are. When Boehner knuckles under...and he very likely will if the current signs are any indicator...then Obama can unilaterally roll back some of the rate increases and crow about how benevolent he is. Obama doesn't give a damn about paying down the debt but he'll use this crisis he ginned up to further his agenda.

cruiser	Posted - 12/6/2012 11:42:07 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Grow up. Shut up. Or leave us alone." Sorry, you wrong-headed arrogant and imperious b******. You don't get to dictate how things work here. It wouldn't matter if Obama won 100-0.

mpdodgson	Posted - 12/7/2012 12:24:02 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Where is there a "scam"?? What "PART OF A BALANCED PLAN"??? "COMPROMISE"??? Didn't you hear?? No, no, no, it's a 'scam' donchaknow--another CONSPIRACY. "Obama doesn't give a damn about paying down the debt but he'll use this crisis he ginned up to further his agenda. Get. A. Life. He's the President of the whole United States. Get over it. Mixing budget cuts, entitlement reforms, and raising revenue; It's the only way this is going to work. Everything is on the table. "Further his agenda"??? And what mght that be?? The betterment of the country?? And frankly, I don't give a rat's ass if you think I'm a "wrong-headed arrogant and imperious b******." I'm obviously in the MAJORITY because WE WON. Slap some English Leather on your face, get out of Mom's basement, take off the tin foil hat, and welcome to reality. Besides all that, btw, the "Grow up. Shut up. Or leave us alone." comment wasn't even directed at you." And I still mean it.

cruiser	Posted - 12/7/2012 1:27:47 AM \| show profile \| flag this post And I was sure you would because that's the kind of wrong-headed arrogant imperious b******* you are. You're often worse than etwinkie...and that's saying something.

mpdodgson	Posted - 12/7/2012 5:44:22 AM \| show profile \| flag this post You still haven't shown any "stark raving lunacy" on the part of the Administration. And stop calling calling me a Buffalo or Barmaid or whatever it is you're calling me.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 12/7/2012 8:34:16 AM \| show profile \| flag this post It's called politics, cruzo... and Obama has the leverage. He won the election big time -- and the Republicans took a beating in the House and Senate. What's more, nearly two-thirds of Americans believe tax rates on the upper 2% SHOULD go up. And, Obama's approval rating continues to climb as he takes on the Republicans over this issue. He's bargaining from a position of strength. So it's not Obama who's willing to push things over the cliff -- it's the Republicans who are more willing to let it happen than simply let tax rates go up on the 2%. What's more, the upper 2% are now lobbying Republicans to go along with Obama. They stand to lose far more if we go over the cliff -- than if they're taxes go up slightly.

cruiser	Posted - 12/7/2012 10:54:56 AM \| show profile \| flag this post "it's not Obama who's willing to push things over the cliff" It was Geithner who admitted on television that Obama WAS willing to go over the cliff. You need to get the facts straight. You can start by looking at the link I posted in the first message in this thread.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 12/7/2012 12:41:00 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Despite its flaws, Washington manages to have better conversations and get more things done than you boys do.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 12/7/2012 1:08:53 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Obama is making the offer... if the Republicans don't want it, if they want to keep fighting for just 2% of Americans, then the Republicans will be responsible for raising taxes on 100% of American taxpayers. The ball is in their court.

blackedtaped	Posted - 12/10/2012 9:35:37 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Of course he is serious As they say, "Well duh!" Think about it, Obama gets his dream deal with Clinton era tax rates plus cuts in defense spending. A complete win-win for the White House because he gets to blame republicans for a tax increase. The last time that happened Clinton ended 12 years of republican Presidents. Remember it is all about winning elections for democrats. That is all that matters.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 12/10/2012 10:22:53 AM \| show profile \| flag this post And battling the debt... and getting the upper 2% to pay their fair share of taxes after an 11 year tax holiday will win elections. The GOP got us into this mess, with the Great Recession and then doubled down with the whole fiscal cliff nonsense. They believed they'd win big in 2012 and get everything they wanted after the elections. They gambled big and lost big. They need to accept that and face facts.

cruiser	Posted - 12/10/2012 3:33:10 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "getting the upper 2% to pay their fair share of taxes...will win elections" And for you and the other far left wingers that's what it's all about. Nevermind that such a move would likely throw the country into a second dip of the deep recession we're currently experiencing.

mpdodgson	Posted - 12/10/2012 4:29:00 PM \| show profile \| flag this post You can't battle The Debt and the Deficit (two different things, remember?) by just closing some tax loopholes. We all know that. But taking a chunck out of both--Fairly--and improving the unemployment rate?? Yep. That will win elections, earn the respect of the voters, and earn Obama's place in history 20 spots above the total deadly friggin disaster that was the Dubya Administration. Because it's good for the country--NOT just the "Party". NOT dealing with the Cliff might throw us into another recession, and THAT would be on the GOP's head. And rightly so.

cruiser	Posted - 12/10/2012 4:50:08 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Like the totally dishonest far left winger you are you ignore the GOP's CREDIBLE plan to reduce the deficit and pay down the debt WITHOUT rasing tax rates.

mpdodgson	Posted - 12/10/2012 5:26:43 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Really?? "you ignore the GOP's CREDIBLE plan to reduce the deficit and pay down the debt WITHOUT rasing tax rates." WHERE is that plan?? No one knows about it but you apparently. FROM TODAY's Seattle Post: "The Republican offer made last week remains the Republican offer," said Brendan Buck, a Boehner spokesman. He was referring to a GOP plan that offered $800 billion in new revenue over the next decade through reducing or eliminating unspecified tax breaks on upper-income earners, but not by raising tax rates." So...another Math lesson for the guy here who can't count: $800 billion--over ten years??-- THAT's a CREDIBLE plan that "reduces" the $16 Trillion debt and $1.1 Trillion deficit?? Because it does it without raising taxes. With math like that, no wonder the Repubs got us into this mess.

cruiser	Posted - 12/10/2012 5:28:27 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Dishonest, hard-headed and willfully blind.

cruster	Posted - 12/10/2012 5:35:43 PM \| show profile \| flag this post stark raving lunacy as high crimes and misdemeanors? But cruise buddy. Then W would have been impeached. Careful, you're over posting pal. The lefties will think you're desperate because Acorn stole the Romney landslide. Remember what happened last time you were like this? Swerve, swerve, crash, arrested. Shirt inside out and backwards.

blackedtaped	Posted - 12/10/2012 6:13:56 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Attention math majors... So how does $800 billion plus $1.2 trillion in cuts over 10 years fail while $1.6 trillion over 10 years magically work? Just wondering, I don't claim to have any math ability.

cruiser	Posted - 12/10/2012 7:21:35 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Because it does it without raising taxes" What the hell is your (and your president's) hangup with raising taxes??? If the revenues offered nearly equal...and together with the cuts offered exceed...what your president is demanding then I see this as strictly an obstinate, arbitrary and partisan line in the sand.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 12/11/2012 9:17:26 AM \| show profile \| flag this post The GOP plan does not... come up with "nearly the same" revenues. And besides, cruzo, Obama campaigned on the promise of letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire for the upper 2%. The people voted for Obama, he won in an electoral landslide. And the vast majority of Americans -- including many Republicans -- favor raising taxes on the upper 2%. And that model, as part of the compromise being hammered out, would provide MORE revenue toward reducing the debt.

cruiser	Posted - 12/11/2012 10:25:45 AM \| show profile \| flag this post You totally ignored the fact that Obama's scheme pays only lip service to spending cuts. He offers nothing immediate and only tenuous support for reductions ten years in the future. Just as I stated...Boehner's proposal offers new revenues and...together with his proposed spending cuts...it far exceeds what Obama is campaigning for. Your president is single-mindedly fixated on tax increases for the "top 2%"...which includes many, many small businesses, the owners of which don't earn anywhere near that much in personal income. Obama is playing chicken with Boehner and holding American businesses hostage to his political gamesmanship.

blackedtaped	Posted - 12/11/2012 10:52:26 AM \| show profile \| flag this post To anyone actually surprised That a majority of people want to raise other people's taxes as opposed to their own I will let you in on a secret, Mom and Dad are Santa Claus. If only we had leaders that chose to do the right thing, not the most popular thing. But then it is ALL about winning elections isn't it? As long as some people can stay in power they could care less what happens to the country. That's politics at its finest.