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Posted - 10/4/2013 7:22:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
(okay, stop with the cheering) ...and I don't know if this angle has been covered at all or talked to death, but it's an angle I've seen under-covered in the news.
Republicans are saying the Democrats aren't willing to compromise on Obamacare, and strangely they're right.
But what they're bizarrely wrong about is that what's going on is a reasonable scenario. We're not talking about a bill here that they're intransigent about. It's law. L-A-W.
It's been passed.
By both houses.
Went to the Supreme Court, where it was upheld.
What's done is done.
So what I don't understand is why Boehner and the Republicans think they have ANY standing to do what they're doing. Where in the Constitution are these powers detailed?
"Should you lose the vote in both houses, should the Supreme Court rule against you, you then can hold the country hostage and cause a default."
Having read the Constitution I don't recall any of that wording. What precedent is Boehner using, and those of you who stridently defend him: what the shit? Cite precedence, cite Constitutional remedies that bear any resemblance to current day. I thank you in advance.
Posted - 10/4/2013 8:06:52 PM | show profile | flag this post
don't hold your breath..
they have nothing..
Posted - 10/4/2013 8:18:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
Ok Mark Levin, where in the Constitution does it state Boehner and crew can't shut it down?
I don't remember this much outrage when Democrats were shutting down the gubment. 15 of the last 17 shutdowns were under Democrat rule. It was a b**tch gettin' muh cheese, let me tell ya.
Don't like it? Win the 2014 election and you can pass whatever you want.
Posted - 10/4/2013 8:31:30 PM | show profile | flag this post
...you can't cite where in the Constitution they can behave as they are?
Posted - 10/4/2013 8:58:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
If it's NOT specifically addressed in the Constitution...
it's not one of the enumerated powers and it's up to congress to pass a bill to regulate that area. Of course, the president would then have to sign it. I seriously doubt Obama would do that...I don't think he'd want his fingerprints on a law like that. Too much probablility that it would come back to bite him.
But as regards Obamacare:
"It's been passed.
By both houses.
Went to the Supreme Court, where it was upheld."
You forgot to note that it was signed by the president. But having said that, what Obama is trying to ram through now is NOT the law that duly enacted and approved by the Supreme Court.
It has been unlawfully and unilaterally changed 17 times. Obama has no statutory authority to do that. His mandate is to enforce the law as written. NO president has the authority to decide which portion(s) of a law to enforce...or which to change. That is STRICTLY up to congress and must go through the entire legislative process..
I wish Boehner and the GOP house members had the balls to take him to court. Both Nixon and Clinton were rebuked by the Supreme Court in their attempts to similarly bypass congress.
Posted - 10/4/2013 9:28:04 PM | show profile | flag this post
sorry to tell you this, cruiztwit..but..
your LEGAL opinions aren't worth a penny here..
you don't like what the president is doing, try to impeach him..
you know that won 't fly..you have nowhere to go with your deeply flawed "analysis"..
I guess what i'm saying is that, like always, you don't know what the hell you're talking about..
Posted - 10/4/2013 9:38:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
I've been scarce too
Doesn't mean I haven't been paying attention.
Hey Crotch? Where did you read "15 of the last 17 shutdowns were under Democrat rule"? Here's the list. I defy anyone to read that and not conclude that "shutting down the gubment" has been pretty much a bi-partisan pure politics disgrace.
And please; let's not confuse the 'Budget Shutdown' with 'Not raising the Debt Ceiling/Defaulting'. Two seperate things. Boehner may be tanning and drinking alot more this week trying 'to herd cats', ie Cruz & Co...but even he won't put up with a Default. "In meetings with small groups of rank-and-file lawmakers, House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) has emphasized that he will not permit the country to default for the first time on its debt". He's on the record saying that would be a financial disaster, and he and his buddies voted for Bush raising the ceiling 7 times. I don't see that happening.
And on that point; I agree with cruise. It would be un-Constitutional. "a mere statute created the [debt] ceiling. The Constitution trumps statutes. And a clause in the Fourteenth Amendment essentially says that the feds cannot renege on debts.
This where you and I disagree cruise: "But having said that, what Obama is trying to ram through now is NOT the law that duly enacted and approved by the Supreme Court". What are you referring to? Waivers? They're a federal law too. So if Obama enforces a law you LOVE (The 2n Amend anyone?) Great. But God forbid he should follow laws you don't like.
"NO president has the authority to decide which portion(s) of a law to enforce...or which to change" Wrong and wrong. Presidential signing statements exactly positively definitely allow a president to do that. Bush did it (for instance) 157 times, challenging over 1,100 provisions of federal law. And the ACA, as law, provided for waivers.
"I wish Boehner and the GOP house members had the balls to take him to court" Seriously?? We tried that. Obama won. (He won re-election on the issue too btw, so he's obviously got the american people on his side, but that's a different issue) You want to go down that road again?? Hell, if anything--I would love to have some Court--somewhere--rule on the idiocy of marrying a budget bill to ANYTHING that has nothing to do with passing the budget bill. Hence, no more shutdowns. Especially an issue that has already been decided on.
Posted - 10/4/2013 10:02:47 PM | show profile | flag this post
On a MUCH lighter note
The Shutdown has rovided some fantastic comedy moments.
Quote of the week may be "We're not going to be disrespected," (TeaBagger) Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.) told The Washington Examiner. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is." Wow.
Runner up: Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-NC) who told a local television station that she would not be deferring her pay during the government shutdown because she said,”I need my paycheck.” She continued, “That’s the bottom line.”
And for the Bronze: A report on Friday in The New York Times shed more light on Wednesday's closed-door meeting where TeaPublican Senator Ted Cruz of Texas faced the wrath of his Republican colleagues. Several Senate Republicans — Dan Coats of Indiana, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire — assailed Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, who has led the movement to block funding for the health law....Ms. Ayotte was especially furious;
“It just started a lynch mob,” said a senator who was present. (Chuckle)
And...NBC News' Washington affiliate caught an exchange at the World War II Memorial as Rep. Randy Neugebauer's (R-TX) on Wednesday confronted an innocent park ranger who was doing nothing more than her job. Neugebauer blamed her for the closure that he voted for and told her that she should be ashamed of herself.
"How do you look at them and ... deny them access?" said Neugebauer. He, with most House Republicans, had voted early Sunday morning to pass a funding measure that would delay the Affordable Care Act, a vote that set up a showdown with the Senate and President Barack Obama. With the parties unable to agree on how to fund the federal government, non-essential government functions shut down Tuesday.
"It's difficult," responded the Park Service employee. "Well, it should be difficult," replied the congressman, who was carrying a small American flag in his breast pocket. "It is difficult," responded the Park Service employee. "I'm sorry, sir." "The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves," the congressman said. "I'm not ashamed," replied the ranger.
At this point, "a crowd of onlookers got involved," and began loudly demanding that Neugebauer leave the innocent park ranger alone, pointing out that the reason everyone was in the spot they were in was because Congress put them there. "This woman is doing her job, just like me," shouted another. "I'm a 30-year federal veteran -- I'm out of work."
Neugebauer countered that it was all really Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-NV) fault, before he and his pocket flag slinked away amidst still angry, shouting people. (Chuckle)
Don't forget the NYDailyNews front page!! One blogger wrote; 'That's it. We're done. Everyone else go home.
And, in case you missed Stewart railing against "Bullshit Mountain" again last night--it's worth the watch:
the private lunch, indicating that Senators Kelly Ayotte (R-NH), Dan Coats (R-IN) and Ron Johnson (R-WI) berated Cruz for leading the charge to block funding for the Affordable Care Act, an unobtainable goal that led to the current government shutdown:
Posted - 10/4/2013 10:48:04 PM | show profile | flag this post
"your LEGAL opinions aren't worth a penny here"
Do I look like I give a damn what you think?
Posted - 10/4/2013 10:51:14 PM | show profile | flag this post
"This where you and I disagree cruise"
No surprise there. You're parroting the left's talking points...I'm not.
Posted - 10/4/2013 11:55:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
don't know what you look like, cruiztwit..
and don't care..
but it's been my experience over the years that crashingly stupid people like you generally look the part..
so i'll guess you're old, dazed and confused..
Posted - 10/5/2013 12:18:30 AM | show profile | flag this post
cruiser makes a good point
The democrats are using the democratic process to conduct democracy!
What sort of socialist plot is that?
Legislative, executive, judicial all say the Affordable Health Care Act is legal, viable and the law of land and people think it's okay?!!!
I say fluoridated water!
Posted - 10/5/2013 5:22:06 AM | show profile | flag this post
Democrats were right!!!!!!! Obama is winning!!!!!!!
Government Shuts Down, Nation Descends into Riots, Looting and Cannibalism
The United States of America (1787-2013) came to a swift and sudden end last night as the government shut down. The nation which had survived Pearl Harbor, the War of 1812 and Jimmy Carter ceased to exist.
The savage population, which had only been kept in line through a policy of rigorous gun
confiscations, food stamps and Green Energy programs unleashed its pent up rage in a spree of riots, looting and mass murder that had only previously been encountered in Somalia.
"The government shut down! We can do anything we like," shouted Sam Hasbley of Grassley, Iowa, while tearing the tag off a mattress despite an explicit warning label forbidding such a dangerous course of action. "Tear yours off. The government is shut down. It can't stop you."