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Let's be honest about gun control.
Posted - 3/30/2013 10:32:33 AM | show profile | flag this post
I understand it is an emotional issue across the political spectrum. And frankly, from this outsider's view, there's a lot of (surprisingly) honest debate on the issue.
But the fact is all y'all are doing is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. Closing the barn door after the fact.
None of the measures proposed, rejected, debated, even potentially passed will make one whit of difference to the current state of firearms ownership and weapons violence (criminal or not) in the US.
America is saturated with guns. It is flooded with assault rifles.
The highest per capita in the world. more than somalia. more than yemen.
No American political party will ever pass any controls on the sale or transfer of these existing weapons; law enforcement will never have the tools, or be given the funding, to meaningfully crack down on illegal sales.
And if they did the NRA will be right there to make a court case of it.
The only way other nations did it .. like Australia .. as by a massive weapons buyback and outright ban on ownership, and criminalization of possession.
Not. gonna. happen.
It is nice to see y'all making an effort, and that some actually think those kids in newton deserve some justice.
But America is fooling itself.
Those kids died in vain.
And there will be plenty more mass shootings, because that's the consequence of America's entrenched political, gun, culture.
Its like asking Canadians to crack down on hockey fighting.
Guns and violence. Its who y'all are.
Posted - 3/30/2013 12:34:00 PM | show profile | flag this post
You are right...
We are a very violent nation. What is really crazy is how frothing mad the gun nuts get when they think someone is going to take their weapons. Just the kind of people who DON'T need to have guns lying around. You make a valid attempt to take away guns of mass killing and these people can't see the insanity in what they demand. If Adam Lanza had a single shot, bolt action rifle (like the kind I own) there might have been or two fatalities at Sandy Hook. But no, we need to make sure people have the right to own weapons that can fire 100 bullets in a few seconds. I guess we should just be glad they outlawed machine guns and sawed off shotguns. Hey, wait a minute...they outlawed those weapons and no one came after all the other guns. Well, there you go...more proof of gun nut paranoia.
Posted - 3/30/2013 12:41:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
You ascribe an awful lot to individual Americans, eh?
Posted - 3/31/2013 12:01:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
is that what the left is calling using the blood of the dead to push their anti-rights agenda that won't stop mass shootings or prevent gun crimes?
"America is saturated with guns. It is flooded with assault rifles. "
gun crime and mass shootings are down. in fact, mass shootings are near record lows.
Posted - 3/31/2013 1:56:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
"in fact, mass shootings are near record lows."
Wow. It's a pretty sad statement of the times that that line can actually be used as a talking point--for something.
It's like 'we've gotten Bubonic Plague down to a handful of cases now...' Or, 'We haven't had another Holocaust for years...'
I'm sure the Sandy Hook parents take solace in the fact knowing their tragedy was a rare event.
Posted - 3/31/2013 2:07:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
sad is when facts don't fit the liberal narrative.
"I'm sure the Sandy Hook parents take solace in the fact knowing their tragedy was a rare event."
as they will take solace in the fact democrats are exploding their tragedy for political gain.
Posted - 3/31/2013 2:19:28 PM | show profile | flag this post
i meant to say
exploiting. i meant to say.
Posted - 3/31/2013 2:47:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
Con thinks fun violence is rare.
Terrorist attacks like 9/11 are rare.
US gun violence, on the other hand, has claimed as many American victims as 9/11, just since Newton.
Gun violence, in fact, has claimed more victims since the 1960s, than all the wars the US has fought in its history (including the civil war, world wars, etc).
Yeah. Keep on arguing gun violence isn't an problem.
Posted - 3/31/2013 4:49:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
Gang bangers and drug dealers
wiping each other out is a GOOD thing. Maybe when there are only a couple left they'll get the message.
Posted - 3/31/2013 10:08:41 PM | show profile | flag this post
Excellent idea, cruiser! It's also a great way to kill innocents in the crossfire, by stray bullets and because of mistaken identity.
Posted - 3/31/2013 10:12:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
FYI, I'm certain you'll make fun of stray bullets, but my stepbrother's father-in-law died in his living room after he was hit by a gangster's bullet that came through the wall of his nice suburban house.
Goody, goody -- that was one less grandfather, right?
Posted - 4/1/2013 7:49:23 AM | show profile | flag this post
"Gang bangers" and "drug dealers"?
Neverming the sickening disregard for human life to begin with. But ... Cruiser why don't you be honest and say what you mean?
Although I'm sure you have another word in mind.
Trolling is one thing, barely concealed racism and hate is another.
Posted - 4/1/2013 8:12:34 AM | show profile | flag this post
Exactly which aspect of gun control would have saved you SB's F-I-L?
Posted - 4/1/2013 12:24:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
Perhaps not selling ammunition at Walmart as if it were candy?
Posted - 4/1/2013 12:27:31 PM | show profile | flag this post
Sorry to have taken your bait, Bee Ess.
Your comment was irrelevant to the thread of the conversation. I'll be smarter the next time you attempt to pull threads off track with incendiary comments.
Posted - 4/1/2013 12:53:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
cdn.. in somewhat lukewarm support of cruiser..
your reference to "blacks" as the only gang problem is outdated and misplaced..
pick a skin "color", and i'll point you to festering gang problems everywhere, in every race..
black, brown, yellow, red, white..pick 'em, and there are killer gangs representing those races..
and in further support of what cruiser said.. my favorite solution to the gang problems here in san diego, for example, is:
round up all the gangbangers..issue them uzis with two spare magazines each..lock them up inside qualcomm stadium for 24 hours..then go in and take the survivors to jail..forever..
Posted - 4/1/2013 1:54:14 PM | show profile | flag this post
why? "gang bangers" are the only criminals that use guns?
what about all those gun owners that illegal sell firearms ... criminals in fact and law ... that feed the problem?
How many spree-killing mass murders were "gang bangers" and "drug dealers"?
Seem those shooter are pretty much the UN of violence: mostly whites, a few koreans, only one black american (DC shooter) that I can think of.
Lets not play games.
"Gang banger" and "drug dealer" is convenient cruiser and conservative code for black.
But since this is a thread about honest gun control, at least cruiser got one thing right.
America doesn't care , never has, when blacks are killing blacks, with guns or without.
Posted - 4/1/2013 2:40:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
This is the most insidious and dangerous form of racism:
People who see the world only through black/white filters as cdn demonstrably does. It is they who foment and agitate racial division and interracial violence with their race-baiting attitudes and words.
Posted - 4/1/2013 2:46:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
yawn..... the left playing the race card.
Posted - 4/1/2013 3:50:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
Cruiser on guns: "wiping each other out is a GOOD thing."
You own it.
What a responsible statement about gun violence in the US.
Argue the race card as much as you want. To me it is clear.
Any America saying "wiping each other out (with guns) is a GOOD thing" must proves my original point.
Your country is beyond any reasonable solution.
Keep killing each other.
You get no sympathy from the rest of the world. And get no support on your next "moral" foreign crusade.
Posted - 4/1/2013 4:22:48 PM | show profile | flag this post
Demonstrably dumber than a box of rocks
EVERYONE on here...but you, apparently...realized that my comment was tongue in cheek.
But it allowed you to showcase your racism for everyone to see.
Posted - 4/1/2013 4:49:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
OH! IN THAT CASE!!
"wiping each other out is a GOOD thing."
great one, cruise!
That's a funny bit!
Lets all laugh about Americans killing Americans with guns!
More American dead since Newton than 9/11. More Americans killed by firearms since the 1960's than all the wars America has ever fought in its history.
HILARIOUS! Such satire....