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beenthere	Posted - 9/11/2012 9:32:33 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Ryan lies about his voting record on Face the Nation. http://www.taylormarsh.com/blog/2012/09/paul-ryan-squirms-as-norah-odonnell-catches-him-in-a-whopper/ NORAH O’DONNELL: Now you’re criticizing the President for those same defense cuts you’re voting for and called a victory. PAUL RYAN: No, no — I have to correct on you this, Norah. I voted for a mechanism that says the sequester will occur if we don’t cut $1.2 trillion in government. … We can get into this nomenclature; I voted for the Budget Control Act. But the Obama Administration proposed $478 billion in defense cuts. We don’t agree with that, our budget rejected that, and then on top of that is another $500 billion in defense cuts in the sequester. O’DONNELL: Right. A trillion dollars in defense spending, and you voted for it! RYAN: No, Norah. I voted for the Budget Control Act. O’DONNELL: That included defense spending! RYAN: Norah, you’re mistaken. ____ Unbelievable. LIES, LIES, LIES.

cruiser	Posted - 9/11/2012 10:41:49 AM \| show profile \| flag this post What you're really saying is Ryan doesn't agree with the radical left wing agenda. Neither does 80 percent of the country. These days 40 percent of Americans self-identify as conservative and only 20 percent as liberal. That leaves the other 40 percent somewhere in the middle.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 9/11/2012 11:00:40 AM \| show profile \| flag this post No.. Ryan is lying about voting to cut $1 Trillion from the Defense budget. He voted to make the cut -- then denies he did.

it's just tv folks	Posted - 9/11/2012 11:04:42 AM \| show profile \| flag this post well after all Facts are liberal. Republicans are on a fact-free diet.

mpdodgson	Posted - 9/11/2012 11:07:26 AM \| show profile \| flag this post No, that's not what cdn is saying Ryan was caught in, let's charitably say, 'double-speak'. He and Romney are criticizing Obama for Defense cuts. The same cuts Ryan voted for. Period. Then he denies it. "O’Donnell noted that Mitt Romney said Republicans were wrong to agree to a debt deal last summer that included automatic cuts to defense spending. “He’s talking about you because you voted for those cuts, correct?” she asked Ryan. “I did,” Ryan said, adding that he voted for them because he was working to reach common ground with the president and Democrats to “get a down payment on deficit reduction.” What part of "I did" don't you get Ryan?? "“So, you voted for defense cuts, and now you’re criticizing the president for those same defense cuts that you voted for and called a victory,” Here's the tape: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cbs-norah-odonnell-grills-paul-ryan-on-hypocritical-criticism-of-defense-cuts-he-voted-for/ Meanwhile--on MTP--Romney did no better. "Mitt Romney said his fellow Republicans were wrong to agree to a deal last summer that included a series of automatic cuts to defense spending in exchange for an agreement to raise the nation's debt ceiling. The Republican presidential nominee said in an interview airing Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press" that GOP lawmakers made a "big mistake" in signing off on the deal, which prevented a U.S. default on its borrowing obligations. "I thought it was a mistake on the part of the White House to propose it. I think it was a mistake for Republicans to go along with it," Romney said. He's talking about the GOP--and what his running mate voted for. That's the point. HOW is the GOP vote part of the "the radical left wing agenda."????? Your "Neither does 80 percent of the country" has nothing to with anything. If that old poll is still true--explain to me why the current Obana v Romney polls are virtually tied?

mpdodgson	Posted - 9/11/2012 11:18:59 AM \| show profile \| flag this post In the same vein; Ryan has also been accused of hypocrisy/lying over his speech about the Debt Commission: "Ryan on Bowles-Simpson, which he killed: "[Obama] created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report," Ryan stated. "He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing." But the bipartisan debt commission itself didn’t come back with a report. There were not enough votes to agree upon recommendations, in part due to opposition from committee member, er, Paul Ryan. The statement misleads viewers by implying that Ryan supports the proposal, when he aggressively opposed it, and by using the third person to avoid noting that Ryan was on the commission and voted no." The guy has a serious credibility problem.

cruiser	Posted - 9/11/2012 11:26:08 AM \| show profile \| flag this post What you're really saying is Ryan doesn't agree with the radical left wing agenda. He's not lying...he just has a different approach...which does not track with the left's. You people are being dishonest for purely political reasons. Conservatives could similarly say the left is lying because its approach is different than that of conservatives. This is what polarization hath wrought.

Ron Mexico	Posted - 9/11/2012 12:27:59 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Funnie libs don't care about Obama's lies and flips. Like ending the war in Afghanistan in his first two years or ending torture and renditions. There are lies, damn lies, and there is Obama. Keep bring the stupid libs.

mpdodgson	Posted - 9/11/2012 12:54:02 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Whydo you persist in this "Ryan doesn't agree with the radical left wing agenda." Bull. He--and Mitt--NOW don't agree with the Republicans voted for. Since when did the GOP have a left wing agenda?? "He's not lying...he just has a different approach...which does not track with the left's." No....he's lying. (from a DailyBeast op-ed) "history tells us that four years ago the American financial system was hanging over the abyss by the thread of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) that a Republican administration and secretary of the Treasury had put in place—and for which the hypocritical deficit chickenhawk Paul Ryan had voted, even as he strained every muscle to get his district’s share of the stimulus package that he now denounces Obama for perpetrating. And recall also that the whole near-terminal calamity was caused by the unregulated derivative market whose freedom to destroy what’s left of the American economy the likes of Ryan and Romney cannot wait to reinstate." Ryan VOTED FOR every budget-busting thing Bush asked for. But NOW he's a fiscal whiz-kid. "Yeah, I know, ancient history. Who needs it? Ryan, who has the gall to pose as the champion of hard truths while cynically perpetrating one deception after another (see Janesville plant, date of closing; failure to mention his own vote against Simpson-Bowles; etc.), said “it doesn’t matter how we got here.” (That’s no doubt in part because of his record of voting in favor of tax and spending policies that helped to run up our current deficit.) The sometime pro-choice, sometime individual-mandate-supporting, sometime climate-change-believing Romney would love his piece of Massachusetts history to go away. The disease of American politics is to confuse personal history with political history, public-relations campaigns with true debate. The result is politics as placebo and a fake history that is one part humbug and the other part hoodwink."

mpdodgson	Posted - 9/11/2012 1:28:12 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Ron Mexico??? Whoever the f*ck you are...you're just as bad as Lyin Ryan. Or a Rushball. "Funnie libs don't care about Obama's lies and flips. Like ending the war in Afghanistan in his first two years or ending torture and renditions." WHEN AND WHERE did the president say he would "end the war in Afghanistan??? As a CANDIDATE--"Obama announced a plan – if elected – to deploy an additional 7,000 troops to Afghanistan. "As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan" "We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there" "In 2009, President Obama ordered a surge of more than 30,000 troops in Afghanistan, in the hope of wearing down the Taliban military to the point where it would be willing to consider negotiations." So.......you're either mis-nforemd, or lying. Re: "...or ending torture and renditions." Yes, we have. Even GOP legend John McCain thought the Bush policy of torture was wrong, and Obama agreed. Politifact: "Wide agreement that Obama's torture ban has held" "During the presidential campaign, Barack Obama promised to "end the use torture without exception.” Initially we gave him a rating of In the Works, but we are now ready to give him a Promise Kept" "Even the American Civil Liberties Union -- in a report that generally expressed skepticism about how much Obama had changed the Bush administration"s policies on countering terrorism -- acknowledged that his actions on torture were strong. Some of the Bush-era policies "have been stopped,” the report said. "Torture … (is) no longer officially condoned. … President Obama categorically disavowed torture when he came to office, and closed the secret CIA prisons where so much of the abuse took place.” We rate this a Promise Kept." So--again here, you're either lying, or mis-informed. Keep bring the stupid wingnuts. Facts will kill you everytime.

cruiser	Posted - 9/11/2012 1:29:12 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "(from a DailyBeast op-ed)" That's where you made your mistake. First, it's opinion...and it's from the far left wing Daily Beast. Nuff said.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 9/11/2012 1:33:47 PM \| show profile \| flag this post No, cruzo... Ryan flat out lied. He voted for the bill that includes a trillion in cuts for the DoD. He then denied voting for the cuts. That's not misleading. That's an outright lie.

cruiser	Posted - 9/11/2012 1:39:59 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "WHEN AND WHERE did the president say he would "end the war in Afghanistan???" He's given our enemies...the Taliban and al Qaeda...a firm end date when troops will be withdrawn. Pardon me but I interpret that literally as "ending" the war. Of course, the Taliban and al Qaeda will hunker down and wait until after the withdrawal is complete before they crank up their attacks on the moderate Afghan government, the nominally pro-West Pakistani government...AND US interests all over the Middle East. Perhaps they'll even try another 9/11-style attack on the US homeland.

cdnreprtr	Posted - 9/11/2012 1:55:28 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Ryan is a GENIUS with numbers. After all, he ran a sub-3 hr marathon. And he climbed "close to 40" 14er peaks in Colorado. That's ryan's "fact" and "truth". and GOP math for ya.

Ron Mexico	Posted - 9/11/2012 1:56:07 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Good thing you have no facts. Obama gave a speech at West Point {2009}in which he promised to begin the withdrawal of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011. The problem is you use Politifact has a source. In fact, you should actually read Obama's torture and rendition polices form the source and not from some dishonest fact checker. Also, a good read would be Obama's budgets over the past few years. There you will see what is/isn't being funded by our government. Renditions and black sites are still being funded. You're probably one of those who believe America didn't torture until Bush came along. So it makes sense you would believe Obama put a stop to it.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 9/11/2012 2:20:46 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Cruzo... your lack of understanding of politics is outdone only by your lack of understanding the military. Obama set a date for the withdrawal of troops BASED ON THE AFGHAN NATIONAL SECURITY FORCES BEING ABLE TO PICK UP THE MISSION. That date is flexible. It is a target date. If it works like his "end date" for Iraq, our troops will be out even sooner. Military leaders have always set timelines for their missions. That was one of the big problems for Bush in Iraq and Afghanistan -- he set none. He had no objective, no deadline for reaching it. It was open ended. The only way those wars were going to end was for Bush to leave office and a real leader to come in and make some decisions. I have no idea what that has to do with Ryan lying about his vote to cut a trillion dollars from the Defense budget, though.

anonymous 1	Posted - 9/11/2012 2:31:11 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Military leaders have always set timelines for their missions. That was one of the big problems for Bush in Iraq and Afghanistan -- he set none." Google the Status of Forces Agreement. Unbelievable. LIES, LIES, LIES. Amen.

mpdodgson	Posted - 9/11/2012 2:42:43 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Keep diggin mexico. First you said Obama promised "Like ending the war in Afghanistan in his first two years". I pointed out he never said that. You lied. So, while you didn't admit he never said that, you come up with his "Obama gave a speech at West Point {2009}in which he promised to begin the withdrawal of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011." Well--that's not promising to end the war is it?? Did we withdraw troops then? Why yes we did. 5,000 in the summer, and an additional 5,000 by Christmas. You don't even lie very well. "you should actually read Obama's torture and rendition polices form [sic] the source". Okay. What source?? Where is the official WH memo thats says we still torture?? Lie. "Also, a good read would be Obama's budgets over the past few years....Renditions and black sites are still being funded." Where?? What budget line item is that?? Lie. "You're probably one of those who believe America didn't torture until Bush came along"....No, I never said that, I'm not that naive. What I'm saying, and what the Obama Adminsitration is saying that torture as a legal/normal/regular/accepted policy is no more. So you're just plain lying. Seems to be a habit with you (whoever you are under another name)

cruiser	Posted - 9/11/2012 2:45:48 PM \| show profile \| flag this post The military timeline is...and always was... when the job is done. Nobody...repeat, NOBODY...expected WWII to take five years. But the US stayed until the job was done.

cruiser	Posted - 9/11/2012 3:13:20 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Cruzo, your lack of understanding of...(insert any topic)" That phrase...which you use daily, if not hourly...labels you as the biggest know-nothing and bullsh*t artist on here...albeit the one with demonstrably the biggest ego. You know nothing, nada, zip, zero about virtually everything on which you (pathetically) expound. Your opening phrase is a lame ego defense mechanism that you use to cover for your refusal to admit to yourself that YOU are the one who knows nothing. Yet you soldier on (pun CERTAINLY intended) parroting the left's talking points withoug any underlying grasp of the topic. You are a typical junior news writer...little understanding of the story but a rudimentary ability to list the basic facts in a minute-thirty. The old bromide "mile wide, inch deep" does not do you justice. You're more like a few inches wide and no depth at all.

mpdodgson	Posted - 9/11/2012 3:14:50 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Agreed cruise; "The military timeline is...and always was...when the job is done. Nobody...repeat, NOBODY...expected WWII to take five years. But the US stayed until the job was done" You're right, to a point, but I just can't compare Saddam with Hitler, nor the Taliban with Tojo. They wanted to conquer continents, not provinces. I agreed with Bush for setting a timeline to get out of Iraq; and I supported Obama for following through. I agree with a timeline to get out of Afghanistan--I DISAGREE with Obama for setting it so long from now. For that matter, I agree we (meaning the UN and all it's coalition forces) should do something about Syria. I disagree with the war mongers that say we should do something unilaterally, like invade. Now IF we could support the rebels like we did in Egypt--air support only and NO combat troops on the ground--and NO loss of life, that's different. War should always be the last resort--not the first. Mideast conflicts are one thing, World War II was something else altogether.

anonymous 1	Posted - 9/12/2012 11:19:17 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Under executive orders issued by Obama in 2009, the CIA still retains the right of renditions. To where? Secret facilities in countries that cooperate with the United States. Obama's torture policy applies to armed conflicts, not counter-terrorism ops. Also, those arrested under counter-terrorism ops, can be hidden from the Red Cross. For all the sanctimonious b.s. that came from Obama and the left during the Bush years, Obama did indeed leave himself room to continue Bush terrorism policies. Which Obama has.

cruiser	Posted - 9/12/2012 3:25:40 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "support the rebels like we did in Egypt" To my knowledge, the only support we gave to Egypt was moral support. You're probably referring to Libya, to which we gave aerial support under the auspices of the United Nations...or, at least, that was the story. The US role resulted in criticism of Obama and questions concerning the War Powers Act.