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More GOP Weirdness
Posted - 6/21/2013 8:58:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
The Farm Bill going down in flames. Big story yesterday, but the weird parts took a while to sort out.
'The Hill' headlined it this way: "In a blow to House GOP leaders, the House on Thursday rejected a five-year farm bill. Members voted down the $940 billion bill in a 195-234 vote that only won 24 Democratic votes." The GOP Leadership (Boehner/Cantor) wanted it to pass, even insisted their whip counts were accurate...and then 62 of their own voted against it. Down it goes.
The Dems didn't like the bill anyway because of huge cuts in food stamps. Turns out many of the Repubs didn't like it either because the cuts weren't huge enough. So who did the Repub Leadership blame because they can't herd their own cats?? Why the Minority party of course.
(paraphrasing an oped here) That was idiotic spin on two levels: First, Republicans actually run the House, and blaming Nancy Pelosi for their ineffectiveness only serves to highlight their incompetence. Moreover, Democrats are eager to accept credit for blocking harsh and unnecessary cuts to food assistance programs.
a bill that Republicans didn't think could, would, or should become law.
To recap their argument:
Democrats are to blame for the Farm Bill's failure in the House because they didn't deliver enough votes in favor of cutting food stamps to make up for the 62 votes lost by Boehner.
The Farm Bill kind of sucked and was never going to become law. But even though it sucked, House Democrats should have voted for it.
The crazy thing is that to these guys, this all makes complete sense. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I am no fan of either Reid or Pelosi...but Boehner is really really bad at his job.
Posted - 6/22/2013 12:08:14 AM | show profile | flag this post
i strongly suspect that will shortly be a moot point..
I, and I think most people, will be amazed if john Boehner is still speaker of the house much past the fourth of july..
he has completely lost control of his own party..you can almost see eric cantor and paul ryan drooling in anticipation..
Posted - 6/22/2013 11:44:36 AM | show profile | flag this post
There are republican Representatives that are actually voting for what they think is the right thing to do instead of voting along party lines. They should pay better attention to the party. Pelosi knew how to get the votes even when people did not know what they were voting for, these new republicans are actually reading stuff before they vote on it. They are trying to do what they promised the voters back home. And what did you call it? "Weirdness"? Yeah, that's weird all right.
Posted - 6/22/2013 11:56:01 AM | show profile | flag this post
blacked.. don't know that anyone's arguing with that..
and it's good to see that someone in the house is willing to vote on something besides another attempt to kill obamacare..
what i'm afraid of is that someone like cantor or ryan will wind up speaker in place of Boehner, thereby absolutely guaranteeing congressional gridlock on everything between now and the end of Obama's term in office..
and THAT benefits NO ONE..
Posted - 6/22/2013 12:32:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
Give it to Cantor!
I hope cantor gets to be Speaker! Ryan already flamed out as VP candidate. Of course, he was so confidant he would win that he quietly also ran to keep his House seat...But Cantor is my favorite. He is such a little pussy. He will stab Boehner in his back to get that job but he doesn't have the balls to actually get anything done. He's the kind of guy who tries to act like a big shot but sits when he pees. He is such a little worm and he we flounder helplessly when he actually gets the job. He will not be able to get anyone to rally around his far right agenda. Boehner will actually come out of this looking like the reasonable member of the party. See ya, GOP...this will be the final nail in the coffin...
Posted - 6/22/2013 1:03:15 PM | show profile | flag this post
Sounds like gridlock is already there. There seems to be a total lack of any leadership in Washington right now.
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Posted - 6/22/2013 1:43:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
doing what the voters want
The problem with saying the republican politicians are just doing what their constituents want is that a majority of gop primary voters have devolved into the extreme of the extreme radical right wing. These are the tiny portion of voters that these gop politicians are pandering to. The way the gop has gerrymandered congressional districts, a repub generally only needs to win the primary in order to win the seat. (Of course there are Democratic districts, too but you're not going to find the same level of extremism).
Background checks is an excellent example of the gop not listening to their voters. A majority of Americans, republicans, NRA members, even blackedtaped are for background checks. The gop pandered to the paranoid radical right wing and the big money gun industry and shot down what a vast majority of Americans believe we need to help save lives while not infringing on any rights of law abiding citizens.
I came across this video awhile ago. There are no paranoid hysterical rants, just calm rational people.
Posted - 6/22/2013 2:32:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
blackedtape; Two seperate issues here
in your one sentence (IMO). "Boehner's problem There are republican Representatives that are actually voting for what they think is the right thing to do instead of voting along party lines."
First part first; Boenhers problem is that he is really really bad at his job. Old lawyer saying; Don't ask the question if you don't know the answer. The Congressional counterpart is the "Hastert Rule"...You're the Majority party--don't embarass yourself by bringing up a vote if you're not 100% sure you're going to win it. His whips either can't count, or they're screwing Boehner. Then there's Cantor.
"grumbling Republican staffers say that the farm bill drama highlighted differences between Boehner and his second-in-command, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va. Boehner publicly supported the bill and pushed for its passage – a rarity for the speaker – while Cantor pushed for an amendment that peeled off possible Democratic supporters for the bill"
Second part: "voting for what they think is the right thing to do". Well that vote's in the eye of the beholder isn't it?? I've already mentioned that IMO voting for OR against Immigration for example--for purely politcal reasons--is not exaclt a sign of moral character. The president will forever be known for ObamaCare, what he thought was the right thing to do...despite screams of 'Marxist/Commie/Hitler/Destroy the Republic/Impeach him, and the occasional ObamaCare "literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens.” (Bachmann)
And it's not just BatShit Crazy Michelle, it's Cruz, and Gohmert, King, Paul, and many others. The GOP Kamikazes. They not only don't listen to their own Party leadership (especially after all the post-2012 'intro-spectives and post-mortems) it sounds like they don't even to themselves and how nutso they sound.
Posted - 6/22/2013 10:58:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
mp..i keep reminding you to include my two home state guys..
on the wacko list..mike lee and Jason chaffetz..
trust me.. they're members in good standing..
Posted - 6/22/2013 11:17:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
It's hard to forget them...
If I had the means I'd rent a UN Helicopter to land in Lee's yard just to watch him turn blue...
But right now Gohmert is campaigning hard to be Cheif Loony tune. Remember his "terror babies" idea, where Gohmert repeatedly claimed that terrorists were impregnating women, sending them to the US, waiting for the babies to be born as "anchor babies," flying them back to wherever they came from, waiting twenty to thirty years so the babies can grow up and be trained as terrorists, and then sending them back to the US where they can gain easy entry to blow up the country. He first introduced this idea in a speech on the House floor....
...The Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the Government is a long standing theme...But last week, when he voted against the Farm Bill because "his "brokenhearted" constituents frequently tell him stories lamenting their inability to pay for fancy groceries while they see food stamp beneficiaries purchase gourmet food at the supermarket...specifically Alaskan King Crab Legs....Yea...that one keeps him in the Top Ten of GOP Kamikazes.
Posted - 6/23/2013 2:53:32 PM | show profile | flag this post
well, the main thing thast sets louie apart is..
he is certifiably insane..
Posted - 6/24/2013 12:08:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
gop weirdness is to blame for democrats lying when they said they would support the bill?
how can we have bi-partisanship when you have one side(democrats) lying about what they will support?
Posted - 6/24/2013 2:14:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
Fly ball to left field!
Posted - 6/24/2013 2:34:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
not even close...
the shortstop handled that one..pop fly, quick out..
Posted - 6/24/2013 3:04:07 PM | show profile | flag this post
Give it up con.
Learn. Listen. Read something. It was a REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP sponsored bill. The Republican Whips confidently told the Leadership they had the votes. They were wrong--by over 60.
This particular NO vote was classic--"Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) on Monday admitted that he voted against the farm bill, but insisted that Democrats were to blame for the bill’s surprise failure." (Yea--THAT Paul Ryan)
“I didn’t support the farm bill,” Ryan told MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “The Democrats promised 40 votes and they didn’t deliver the votes that they had promised." So he voted against it--like 61 of his fellow repubs, against Boehner--but it's the Dems fault. Right. When the Teabaggers tried to add Draconian cuts to food stamps (not to mention drug background checks, hell, we don't make buyers of assault weapons go thru that, but food stamps??).
Bottom line was still Dems thought the provisions were too harsh; and too many idiots in Boehners own caucas thought they weren't harsh enough.
So, was this the Dems "fault"? Obviously not, they're not the ones who even get the opportunity to bring it up for a vote....that's Boehner/Cantors job. Was it their fault then? Well, obviously yes, because they can't count.
Posted - 6/25/2013 12:39:00 AM | show profile | flag this post
is not certifiably insane. He's just the world's first living brain donor. It's the only explanation for his actions, truly.