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Posted - 7/9/2013 4:49:06 PM | show profile | flag this post
Call it splitting hairs, Mpdodgson
But that still does not translate to "64% of Republican are still Birthers". Just trying to keep it real.
For the record, not a single republican I know is a "birther". But then maybe I just know the other 36%. n
Posted - 7/9/2013 6:31:04 PM | show profile | flag this post
Well then blackedtape;
You pick your friends well.
On the other hand, you know cruise here (sorry, but you do). While the occasional nut-job on the street is one thing...
...But I assume you've heard of GOP Presidential candidates Mike Huckabee, Donald Trump, Alan Keyes and Newt Gingrich...Garbage like "Kenyan upbringing, Kenyan philosophy, and the Birth Certificate may or may not be real blah blah blah--that makes you a Birther.
Even if YOU don't subscribe to this craziness, if you're a prominent GOPer, at least have the balls to condemn it. Which is why I thought it was dissapointing that it was okay with Romney if SEVEN Birthers were given speakinag spots at his nominating convention. Crazy is crazy.
Posted - 7/10/2013 9:37:32 AM | show profile | flag this post
I should introduce you to some of my Republican friends. There are plenty who are birthers.
The fact that the GOP never seriously tried to squelch this silly nonsense -- and has actually encouraged it -- is a key factor in why the Republican Party has lost its credibility with the majority of Americans.
Posted - 7/10/2013 12:25:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
silly goobers. democrats are much to blame for the birther card.
democrats invented the birther card and played it on five republican nominees.
hillary was the first to play the card on obama.
obama embraced the birther issue. obama could have trumped the birther card day one. he didn't because he thought the birther card would help him. wasn't until a poll came out showing most americans were unsure were dear leader was born. obama had no choice but to do something he should have done from day one.
obama played racial games and lost. all this pissing and moaning makes you on the left look like hypocrites.
Posted - 7/10/2013 12:28:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
According to some around here, most of us could be described as "birthers". I seriously doubt there is anyone here who does not think that President Obama (and just about every other politician) is "hiding important information about his background and early life". I guess it comes down to how you define "important information".
Posted - 7/10/2013 12:47:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
speaking of craziness-
is 37% of the democrat party still 9/11 truthers?
do democrats still fear the tea party more than they do al-qaeda?
do democrats still beleeeverate karl rove destroyed the levees in new orleans ?
do democrats still beleeeverate jfk conspiracies ?
do democrats still beleeverate fox news broadcasts invisible signals that affect sense of smell?
what about the october suprise?
democrats still beleeverate bush stole the 2000 and 2004 elections?
democrat craziness is ok. republican craziness is just sooooooo scary!!!!!!!
Posted - 7/10/2013 12:47:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
Maybe we are splitting hairs...
But I just don't think so.
At the beginning of the Romney campaign, PPP tracked the issue repeatedly. Among likely Republican voters: 51% say they don't think Barack Obama was born in the United States to just 28% who firmly believe that he was and 21% who are unsure."
So that's 72%--Republicans--who are either convinced Birthers, or aren't sure. Birth certificate be damned. I don't want people that stupid voting for anything, let alone for president.
"hiding important information about his background and early life". Does anyone SERIOUSLY think we're talking about what pranks they pulled in high school, or maybe shop-lifting candy?? Seriously??
Posted - 7/10/2013 1:11:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
Well I am....
We already know he belonged to a group dedicated to the consumption of pot. So thinking he is hiding important information about his early childhood is actually quite reasonable and unrelated to where he was born.
Posted - 7/10/2013 1:58:26 PM | show profile | flag this post
speaking of birthers- how could anyone forget the trig palin conspiracy?
trig truthers is what you on the left called yourself? something to be proud of libs.
"Does anyone SERIOUSLY think we're talking about what pranks they pulled in high school, or maybe shop-lifting candy?? Seriously??"
if we're talking about a republicans it would be a huge deal. (see romney and bush)
most would be talking about how obama both represented and allowed himself to be represented has kenyan born. or obama's ties to the hate america left...............
Posted - 7/10/2013 2:07:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
True; "We already know..."
Because he told us. In two of his own books. "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it," Boy. if that's "hiding important information about his background and early life"...he's really bad at it.
But let me be clear here; Birthererism among the Repubs is only a sympton of a much larger problem. Michael Grunwald had a good piece a few months ago; some excerpts:
It's easy to see why Republicans are freaking out. The electorate is getting more diverse, less rural, more educated, less evangelical--in short, less demographically Republican. It's also getting less hostile to gays, gun control, even government--in short, less ideologically Republican.
So ever since President Obama gave them a second drubbing, despite a supposedly disqualifying unemployment rate, GOP elites have admitted that America isn't producing enough angry old white guys for them to win national elections, that they can't be the party of no or the Tea Party party or the stupid party. That's progress! The problem is figuring out what needs to change.
Predictably, some Republicans have concluded that what needs to change is the electorate. So they're pushing more of the voter-ID laws and other purported antifraud measures that they designed to suppress Democratic turnout in 2012. Some of them even want to gerrymander the Electoral College..."
These days, the party line is that Republicans need to change their approach to politics--message, tone, technology, strategy. They shouldn't make repulsive comments about rape, question Obama's birth certificate, brag about their unwillingness to compromise or suggest that 47% of their fellow citizens are moochers. They should repair their relationship with data so they won't be flabbergasted when election night doesn't ratify the predictions of their pundits. They need to use Skype, improve minority outreach and stop behaving like crotchety reactionaries who ridicule the First Lady's efforts to promote healthy eating."
In the 2010 midterms, they successfully portrayed Obama's stewardship of a recovering economy as an epic disaster and his promotion of Romney-style health care reforms as unprecedented socialism. They've rebranded themselves as an antideficit party after creating huge deficits in the Bush era, even though they've continued to push deficit-exploding tax cuts. After four years of their fighting unemployment benefits, highway projects, Wall Street reforms, disaster relief, insurance protections, millionaire tax hikes and other popular policies, it's a tribute to their political skills that Republicans remain as competitive as they are.
Republicans need to change what they're selling. For one thing, they're selling buggy whips. Undeterred by the Iraq debacle, the meltdown of 2008 or the warming of the planet, they're still peddling rah-rah neoconservatism, deregulation and climate denialism. They're still carrying water for fossil-fuel industries, anti-gay activists and other interest groups on the wrong side of history"
Posted - 7/10/2013 2:13:36 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Republicans are also selling hypocrisy. They attack Obama for refusing to cut entitlements but also for cutting Medicare, because their elderly supporters like Medicare. They rarely propose their own spending cuts, except for PBS, NEA and other small-dollar liberal favorites; they often defend wasteful farm subsidies, because ag states tilt Republican. They warn that cutting military spending will kill jobs, the same Keynesian logic they mock when it comes to abstract government spending.
So far, the only policy that most Republicans seem interested in revising is their hostility toward immigration reform, partly in hope of revising Latino hostility toward them."---------TIME
That was back in February...the sad update is even though the Senate passed the Immigration Bill 68-32...The Repubs in the House are vowing to kill off the whole idea AGAIN. But they do want to consider a Texas style Abortion Bill---and promise to vote to repeal ObamaCare--AGAIN.
If Birthers were the GOP's only problem at this point there at would t least be SOME hope for them.
Posted - 7/10/2013 3:19:09 PM | show profile | flag this post
it's speeches like this that confuse the issue
Posted - 7/10/2013 3:57:52 PM | show profile | flag this post
"early life" would have to focus on his birth and childhood -- this is the core of the "birther" belief system -- that he as born in Kenya, that his father rejected his U.S. citizenship, that he attended a Madrassa.
All these silly birther notions have been repeatedly proven false. Yet, the poll clearly shows that a substantial majority of Republicans reject the repeated and extensive proof for their conspiracy theory.
Posted - 7/10/2013 4:52:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
beenthere?? The Conspiracay Queen?
You reeeeally want to stick your nose in this??
After your hordes of Russian Troops running amok in America, to the Government is secretly spraying poison on Americans from jets, to God knows what flouride is doing to us this month...you have a long record of being a conspiracy whacko nut job. Do yourself a favor and back away. You're proving my point.