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NYT Mag: "Can GOP Be Saved From Obsolescence?"
Posted - 2/15/2013 1:01:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
A long read, but well worth it. (if you can get behind the paywall, but just google ...)
Voices from within the GOP itself, especially young conservatives, on why the Party is on a train to nowhere ... digital, organization, strategy, policy .. and, ultimately, why demographic reality and time is working against republicanism ... unless it responds.
And no, it isn't simple GOP bashing.
Smart, good stuff.
If this isn't a wake up call for conservatives (given the election loss, and all the "not our faults" after), i don't what what is.
And also notice to Dems, not to be complacent.
(Not to get in to Rubio, a quote from Plouffe in the article: " Let me tell you something. The Hispanic voters in Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico don’t give a damn about Marco Rubio, the Tea Party Cuban-American from Florida. You know what? We won the Cuban vote! And it’s because younger Cubans are behaving differently than their parents. It’s probably my favorite stat of the whole campaign. So this notion that Marco Rubio is going to heal their problems — it’s not even sophomoric; it’s juvenile! And by the way: the bigger problem they’ve got with Latinos isn’t immigration. It’s their economic policies and health care. The group that supported the president’s health care bill the most? Latinos.")
Posted - 2/15/2013 1:02:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
.... link here:
Posted - 2/15/2013 1:20:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
yawn. another liberal rag, another liberal poster warning of DOOM!!!!!!1
we heard this in 1992 and 2008. yet, 1994 and 2010 happen.
2014 will be here soon. republicans will net seats, democrats will distance themselves from obama, dear leader becomes a lame duck.
Posted - 2/15/2013 1:36:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
yes, everything is fine with the Republican Party. You just go on believing that and don't change a thing. Dems won the WH and the Senate in 2012 and got a million more votes in the House but didn't gain control thanks to repub gerrymandering. You guys are doing everything right, just stay the course!
Posted - 2/15/2013 2:04:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
the leftist radicals on here are trying to "help" the GOP win the next election.
If you believe that I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
Posted - 2/15/2013 2:44:48 PM | show profile | flag this post
Con and cruzo...
Please, please, please go to every GOP committee meeting in your county and state!
Please, please, please write your Republican congress members and the House and Senate Republican leadership!
Please, please, please find the TEA Party leadership nearest you and volunteer to work tirelessly to keep the GOP just the way it is!
It's people like you who are guaranteeing the Democratic Party another 4 years in the White House starting in 2017!
If you read the article, you'd see that it dealt with the frustration younger, tech-saavy Republican strategists who are fed up with the older, luddite establishment and fringe-right (TEA Party) types convinced this is still 1986.
Posted - 2/15/2013 7:50:19 PM | show profile | flag this post
Too late, cdn!
You already brought up Marco -- and that's my cue:
Full disclosure: I have not yet read the article.
But, IMO, Marco is a huge threat to the left (why else would MSNBC air the water-drinking clip more than 100 times in one day?) I believe that many in the left-wing are already gearing up in an attempt to discredit a good and decent man. However, the left will not be able to "Palinize" (my word) Marco Rubio, not as long as he continues to carry and effectively communicate the vision of Ronald Reagan.
As far as the VAWA, there are so many problems with this bill.
To name a few:
Is there a state where domestic violence is legal?
Obviously not, so why the federal overreach?
Is there a reason why the nation should give extra money to prosecute domestic violence rather than violence against the elderly or robbery or rape and murder?
It reminds me of enhanced penalties for hate crimes. Why? Why give certain classes of people a higher level of justice? In these cases the penalties are not just for the specific crime, but for the class of person injured. So much for justice being blind.
Posted - 2/15/2013 8:03:41 PM | show profile | flag this post
Even without the Rubio bash.
The best political commentary I ever got from a losing candidate was: "we didn't get enough votes."
Not excuses. No blame. No blah blah liberals, blah blah conservatives, blah blah bitterness or gloating.
This article takes a hard, clear look. The same kind of look Dems took 20 years ago.
Ignore at your own peril.
If you don't agree. Hey .. No whoop. Better for liberals for the next 20 years.
Posted - 2/15/2013 8:27:56 PM | show profile | flag this post
I just figured out RTFA.
OK OK! I'll read it.
As for the subject line above, an easy clue:
The "S" is for "skinny."
Posted - 2/15/2013 9:22:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
"dear leader becomes a lame duck"
It'll be the Romney landslide all over again!
Posted - 2/15/2013 10:06:50 PM | show profile | flag this post
stopbs; Re: Marco
Look my friend; I respect your admiration, but just a little perspective here.
It was TIME (that damned librul mainstream media again) who called Rubio the possible Republican Savior. Read the piece. It was complimentary as all get out, but it still leaves you with 'there's no there there'. He's obviously a very smart politician (Clinton-esque if you will) with SOME very devout positions. I can respect that. And the rest? Well.....he's pandering.
I don't give a crap about the bottled water. I do give a crap he was only one of 22 who voted against Violence Against Women. Don't give me bullshit about the 'law wasn't perfect'. NONE of them are. You can refine them, you can re-tool them. But even Republican women voted for this. That doesn't give you a clue??
"Is there a state where domestic violence is legal? Obviously not, so why the federal overreach?"
OH Seriously tell me you did not say that. Yea. We can trust the States for everything. I'll give you the $5. Rent Mississippi Burning. Get back to me.
Throw in his vote against repealing DADT. Against Sandy Relief. Against the Fiscal Cliff deal. This is a record you can run on??
And please don't buy into that Newsbuster like BS that "MSNBC air the water-drinking clip more than 100 times" It's a lie. The Rachel Maddow show (as a joke) had it play on a loop in a small box in the corner while they continued the show. Some moron counted them. Fox aired the actual clip pretty much the same NBC did.
If Rubio is you guy?? Fantastic. Lookin forward to it. If we can pair him with Jeb Bush, all the better. Though...we could be lookin at Rand Paul tooo...maybe another Santorum run....Yea. You guys are just so cookie sheet deep with talent.
Posted - 2/15/2013 10:39:36 PM | show profile | flag this post
And PS to "con"
You [tradtionally] become a "lame duck" president when you've already won your second term, and two years into that the Congress dosn't pay that much attention to your, well grandiose speechmaking and attempted bullying...because you can't run again, and they feel less threatened.
It has nothing to do with Obam per se, it is what it is, and your repeating of "dear Leader" just makes you look foolish and nutso.
Posted - 2/15/2013 11:37:51 PM | show profile | flag this post
i wonder if any THINKING republican..and there are some..
will read this piece and understand what it's telling them..
if they don't..or of they read it and reject it..
then the national republican party has about the same future as the california republican party..
which is to say..
Posted - 2/17/2013 9:32:19 AM | show profile | flag this post
mp, even without the loop, msnbc has played the clip more than cnn and fnc- combined.
"then the national republican party has about the same future as the california republican party..
which is to say..
and califormians can keep watching their taxes go up and wonder why businesses keep leaving their liberal utopia.
with all this DOOM!!!!! the left is warning us about- democrats will be running like republicans in 2014.
Posted - 2/18/2013 9:07:43 AM | show profile | flag this post
very interesting article- the illustrations are a hoot
This cover story of the Sunday NY Times Magazine focused on the fact that young Repuglicans are worried about theie party's outdated methods of outreach and its shaky grasp of social media. The illustration on the cover shows a rotary dial phone with the caption "GOP smart phone." It continues inside: GOP laptop = picture of typewriter. GOP Twittter= picture of megapohone (my favorite). GOP tablet= picture of a book.
GOP hard drive: picture of a filing cabinet.
Posted - 2/18/2013 12:04:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
VG, the anecdotes in the story are funny, too, in a sad way. I mean, we want the two big political parties to be strong so there's actual national dialog on issues, and it isn't heading that way. The GOP can't survive well on over-40 white men and the elderly. For the moment, it seems to have taken to heart the Yogi Berra quote "If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, nobody's gonna stop 'em."