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New Bob Woodward book reveals

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cruiser	Posted - 9/6/2012 12:09:03 PM \| show profile \| flag this post how President Obama scuttled an historic spending and debt limit deal reached last summer between himself and Speaker of the House John Boehner. At the last minute, the president pushed for additional taxes after Boehner had already gone against his party's desires by agreeing to new revenues. Boehner...pushed to the limit...rejected Obama's last-minute demand and called off the entire deal, prompting a temper tantrum from the president. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bob-woodward-book-debt-deal-collapse-led-pure/story?id=17104635 When, during the Democrat convention, speakers call for "compromise" from the GOP they don't really mean reaching a mutually acceptable position. What they're really saying is "we want Republicans to accede to our demands." That's not compromise, it's dictatorial...and the president has shown his penchant for such tactics.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 9/6/2012 12:27:16 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” -- Mitch McConnell

cruiser	Posted - 9/6/2012 12:34:46 PM \| show profile \| flag this post And the president's penchant for unilateral actions and deal-breaking demands are more than ample justification for McConnell's agenda. This is a republic, not a dictatorship. That means it is governed by the assent of the people through their elected representatives not by a single individual's whim.

cdnreprtr	Posted - 9/6/2012 12:41:17 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Exactly. the GOP and Boehner called off THE ENTIRE DEAL. According to the book, Obama called multiple times to try to reach Boehner for an update on the deal. Boehner repeatedly did not take a call from The President. When he did finally call back, Boehner didn't say ... "no the caucus wont accept anything more," or "No, we reject any additional taxes," or "lets go with what we have" He said : THE WHOLE DEAL IS OFF. Everything. all the progress made. all the negotiation. He tore up the whole deal. no compromise. Which is exactly what the White House said last summer. The GOP wasn't interested in good faith negotiation. They were not interested in compromise. they walked away, totally and completely. . They wanted the deal to fail. So thats what they did. After wasting time and bringing the government to default. I'd be pissed too if someone did that to me in good faith negotiation. Any reasonable person would.

cruiser	Posted - 9/6/2012 1:06:28 PM \| show profile \| flag this post What "good faith" negotiation??? Obama scuttled the deal with his selfish demand for additional taxes AFTER a compromise had been worked out. There is NO WAY you left wingers can spin that to make it Boehner's fault.

mpdodgson	Posted - 9/6/2012 1:16:50 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Exactly. "This is a republic, not a dictatorship. That means it is governed by the assent of the people through their elected representatives not by a single individual's whim." Show me one recent poll where the American people do not want compromise. Show me one recent poll where the American people think "The Party of NO" is a good idea. Show me one recent poll where the majority of the American people think that the Super Rich shouldn't be taxed more, or at the very least, tax loopholes favoring billion dollar corporations shouldn't be eliminated. Go ahead. Show me where the American public agrees with you. It means budget cuts, of course, but that also means the Defense Dept; and the GOP/Romnety says no to that. It means raising taxes, and the Grover-fed GOP says no to that too. It means compromise--and the GOP mantra is still 'no compromise, no surrender'. And THAT'S why Americans reject the GOP message.

cruiser	Posted - 9/6/2012 1:29:30 PM \| show profile \| flag this post And that, folks, is a perfect example of what a political spinmeister does. It was PRESIDENT OBAMA who unilaterally scuttled the debt limit deal by his insistence on additional taxes AFTER it had been negotiated. dogson, however, spins it...vainly trying to make it look like it's the fault of the GOP.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 9/6/2012 2:56:37 PM \| show profile \| flag this post It's only bipartisan... in cruzo's mind if the GOP gets everything they want. He's not very good at spin. And the "casual readers" here not only know it -- but laugh everytime he tries a thread like this one aimed at thinly veiled spin. He obviously hasn't even read Woodward's book. Gotta figure a lot of our "casual readers" here will!

anonymous 1	Posted - 9/6/2012 2:59:41 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Obama is little more than a empty suit. Just more proof.

cdnreprtr	Posted - 9/6/2012 3:13:55 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Cruiser can't read. Dunno what so hard about this. Woodward clearly wrote the GOP scuttled the whole deal. After months of negotiation. Not Obama. The GOP. That is the fact. That is reality. Typical con just ignores the facts, and lies outright. Proven. Bizarre. Pathetic. Truly stupid. And, simply, wrong. Again. (now hell say blah blah, ad hominem, I'm right you're wrong blah blah nonsense like it matters or anyone cares. He always has to have the last (wrong) word. Cause, he's nonpartisan and above the political partisanship! ) What a fool.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 9/6/2012 3:17:03 PM \| show profile \| flag this post What does it make Romney... to be losing to an "empty suit?" Woodward hasn't uncovered anything new here. Republicans whine when they're caught. Just days after the incident described in Woodward's book, Republicans were off on a junket, getting drunk and skinny-dipping in the Sea of Galilee. Doesn't sound too much like they were interested in any kind of compromise. Sounds like they were celebrating the fact they thought they made Obama look bad.

cruiser	Posted - 9/6/2012 4:08:53 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Woodward clearly wrote..." What Woodward "clearly wrote" was that Obama scuttled the deal by insisting on new taxes...AFTER the compromise had already been worked out. Obama simply pushed it too far. It was unconscionable because the country was the loser due to Obama's greed. Obama and his administration are like unscrupulous safeties in pro football who grab the receiver's jersey and cause him to drop the ball...then point at the receiver as though he committed offensive pass interference. But the officials usually see right through that...quite unlike the willfully blind left wingers here.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 9/6/2012 4:17:27 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Then why, dear cruzo... did the GOP celebrate the collapse of the deal? "After the debt-ceiling debate, Majority Leader John Boehner boasted, 'I'm happy. I got 98 percent of what I wanted.'" http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-08-20/news/fl-rpcol-republcians-obama-debt-patro20110820_1_new-marshall-plan-mitt-romney-michele-bachmann Perhaps you should read the Woodward book before you start relying on Drudge to provide you with Cliff Notes. You've just flunked your book report, cruzo. Our "casual readers" are laughing at you sitting in the corner in a Dunce cap!

anonymous 1	Posted - 9/6/2012 5:45:24 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” -- Mitch McConnell Oh. My. Gosh. This is never happen before. The opposition party wants the president to be a one-termer. Will America ever be the same. Obama showed his incompetence. Even Joe Biden thinks Obama is out of his league.

cruiser	Posted - 9/6/2012 6:15:35 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Then why, dear cruzo..." You can hurl all the ad hominem you can conjur up. All that does is diminish your argument.

cdnreprtr	Posted - 9/6/2012 6:16:23 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Cruiser can't read. "when bohner did finally call back, he jettisoned the entire deal." From the article YOU linked to. Quote. Unquote. That is what Woodward wrote. Fact. Undeniable. You are wrong. Totally and completely wrong. Without a doubt. Proven wrong. Now, apologize.

mpdodgson	Posted - 9/6/2012 6:24:46 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Obama's greed."????? Because he wanted to balance the budget??? You CANNOT do that without a mix of both budget cuts and revenue enhancers. That's it. That's the bottom line. We tried "trickle down" and it just doesn't work. So--since you're such a huge fan of doing what the American people want--I'll repeat myself: Show me one recent poll where the American people do not want compromise. Show me one recent poll where the American people think "The Party of NO" is a good idea. Show me one recent poll where the majority of the American people think that the Super Rich shouldn't be taxed more, or at the very least, tax loopholes favoring billion dollar corporations shouldn't be eliminated. Go ahead. Show me where the American public agrees with you.

cruiser	Posted - 9/6/2012 6:53:04 PM \| show profile \| flag this post You aren't listening Boehner AGREED to new revenues. The compromise deal was all worked out. Then Obama got greedy and wanted more new taxes. HE queered the deal, not Boehner.

cdnreprtr	Posted - 9/6/2012 7:31:19 PM \| show profile \| flag this post when bohner did finally call back, he jettisoned the entire The GOP scrapped the deal. The whole deal. That is what Woodward wrote. That is the fact. It doesnt matter what you say, or think,or argue. You are wrong. Boehmer had an option. He could have told the president to back off. Say that it wasn't going to sell to caucus. He could have said .. This is the best deal were going to get. He didn't. Obama called multiple times for updates. Boehner did not take the POTUS calls. When he did, he had one and only one position: kill the whole deal. Kill all negotiations. Jettison the talks. He ended it. That is the fact. GOP built tha ... Destroyed that.

cruiser	Posted - 9/6/2012 9:55:36 PM \| show profile \| flag this post You have the most simplistic, non-nuanced mind I've ever run across. Either that or you're deliberately misstating the obvious. Yes, Boehner told Obama he was no longer interested but that was AFTER Obama got greedy and reneged on the compromise deal ON WHICH THEY WERE ABOUT TO AGREE. I don't blame Boehner at all. He had already said yes to new revenues...which was diametrically opposed to the wishes of his party. Obama simply let his ego offset whatever good sense he might have possessed.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 9/7/2012 12:25:34 AM \| show profile \| flag this post The new self-disciplined cruiser lasted how many minutes?

cruiser	Posted - 9/7/2012 1:07:00 AM \| show profile \| flag this post As opposed to Grateful...who wouldn't even try.

cdnreprtr	Posted - 9/7/2012 4:49:17 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Like Clinton said: "Unfortunately, the faction that now dominates the Republican Party doesn’t see it that way. They think government is always the enemy, they’re always right, and compromise is weakness. Just in the last couple of elections, they defeated two distinguished Republican senators because they dared to cooperate with Democrats on issues important to the future of the country, even national security. They beat a Republican congressman with almost a hundred percent voting record on every conservative score, because he said he realized he did not have to hate the president to disagree with him." Cruisers posts are proof positive of Clinton's assessment of the GOP and mainstream republicanism these days. Cruiser cant even back away from the simple proven facts, like the GOP scuttling the debt deal, despite Woodward's clear statement (and Boehner's own quotes, that he withdrew). Cruiser can't argue fact because he doesn't have them on his side. People ask for fact, he cant cite it. People post fact, he ignores it. So he argues "truthiness," not Truth. Or starts yelling ad hominem (even when it isn't. he should really take some rhetorical logic classes, or at least google it.) Clinton nailed it: - Hate Obama - Compromise is weakness. - They’re always right That's cruiser and cons to a "T" Thats the Truth.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 9/7/2012 9:12:17 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Our "casual readers" are laughing... at cruzo's inability to read. Pull that Dunce cap down tight, cruzo!

cruiser	Posted - 9/7/2012 12:45:59 PM \| show profile \| flag this post What casual readers are laughing at is the inability of the leftists on here to understand English. It can be a nuanced language and reliance on literal readings can be not only misleading but wholly erroneous.