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Posted - 12/4/2013 8:11:31 PM | show profile | flag this post
i thnk quinn/cruiztwit summed it up nicely..
they have their finger on the pulse, no doubt..(of course, it's the same finger, no matter the name used..
Posted - 12/5/2013 8:21:17 AM | show profile | flag this post
Back on topic...
the GOP has boxed itself in.
They can no longer run to repeal Obamacare. To do so would be to position themselves as wanting to eliminate health care access for millions of Americans.
They would have to offer an immediate alternative. They've never produced one.
Their only course of action at this point is to work to help make Obamacare work.
Posted - 12/5/2013 11:52:51 AM | show profile | flag this post
If only etaoin could get back to reality.
What etaoin and some on the left want to do is take the focus off the lies and broken promises. They see the damage being done to the president, their chances in 2014, and to their big government philosophy.
Sorry dems. This is your baby. Own it.
Posted - 12/5/2013 12:10:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
In case you haven't noticed...
cruzo (I'm no longer going to refer to you as "Quinn" -- you've proven yourself to be one in the same), it is the Democrats talking about Obamacare at every chance they get -- while Republicans are backing away from the issue.
The topic of this thread has been how Obamacare has not become a lose-lose issue for Republicans, and they're looking for something new.
Posted - 12/6/2013 8:49:03 AM | show profile | flag this post
"Obamacare has not become a lose-lose issue"
You are right. ACA opposition is growing. The number of people who want to see the ACA repealed is growing.
Posted - 12/6/2013 10:16:47 AM | show profile | flag this post
care to back up that claim you posted as "Quinn?" -- that "the number of people who want to see it repealed is growing."
Why hasn't there been a single Republican move in the House to repeal it since October 1?
Care to show me all the quotes you can find from Republican Congress members SINCE OCTOBER 1 calling for a repeal?
Posted - 12/6/2013 10:50:43 AM | show profile | flag this post
And just to clarify...
Cruzo's claim that more people want Obamacare repealed -- it apparently doesn't apply to Republicans in Congress (as I stated in the initial thread):
"Republican candidates shift their messages on Obama healthcare law"
Also, from the article:
"Polling shows a majority of people would rather Congress fix the law than scrap it entirely, which is clearly playing a role in the Republican pivot. Yet, offering to fix a law that is reviled by the GOP base is politically tricky. Some in Republican circles want the law to flop miserably, which would increase the chances of an eventual repeal."
Posted - 12/6/2013 11:49:13 AM | show profile | flag this post
From the same article:
"One national Republican strategist involved in House races said GOP internal polling in targeted districts has been “pretty consistent, showing that a majority of voters lean toward wanting to start over fresh” on healthcare reform. That’s particularly true, the strategist added, with the all-important independent voters who could make or break a race in a swing district."
Since "if you like your plan" lie was exposed, polling (CBS, Pew, Quinnipiac, Gallup, Rasmussen) shows opposition/repeal to the ACA is growing.
Has your political bias replaced what little common sense you may/maynot have had? Why would Republicans want to re-introduce repeal in this news cycle? Why get in the way of reporting on the lies and failures of the ACA?
Stop with the knee jerk reactions and look at the bigger political picture.
Much has you want me, need me, to be every other poster here, i am only using one id.
I'm done with this topic.
Posted - 12/6/2013 1:34:07 PM | show profile | flag this post
doesn't mean "repeal."
As I pointed out in the initial post, cruzo, the GOP doesn't have an alternative.
Repealing the ACA without a replacement in the wings will mean millions will lose their health insurance almost overnight -- far more than have simply seen plans change or have had to find a new policy.
Repealing it would mean that millions of Americans would be denied health coverage via the extension of parents' coverage to kids until they're 26 and the roll-back of the law banning denial for pre-existing conditions.
That's political suicide for the GOP.
Posted - 12/6/2013 3:49:28 PM | show profile | flag this post
"That's political suicide for the GOP"
That's pure unsupported...and unsupportable...speculation.
But what's NOT speculation is that the loss of six million health insurance policies...representing MANY more than six million people...is political suicide for Democrats. Along with that are higher health care preniums, MUCH higher deductibles, mandated coverage that is neither wanted nor needed, the loss of long-time doctors and medical care facilities.
While Obamacare has a few high-sounding and desirable goals the execution is horrendously deficient.
Posted - 12/6/2013 4:34:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
troo-beleevers tells the republican position on obamacare is hurting them-yet they can't offer anything proof, we just have to take their word for it.
Posted - 12/7/2013 4:59:13 AM | show profile | flag this post
Proof? How about President Romney?
Posted - 12/7/2013 5:06:34 AM | show profile | flag this post
How about Senator Todd Aikin?
Posted - 12/7/2013 5:07:35 AM | show profile | flag this post
How about Senator Richard Mourdock?
Posted - 12/7/2013 5:08:31 AM | show profile | flag this post
How about Gov Ken Cuccinelli?
Posted - 12/7/2013 7:19:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
No one has lost insurance under Obamacare.
They may have lost an outdated policy -- but you lose your policy EVERY year and have to apply for a new one.
But a repeal of Obamacare would strip 50 million to 180 million Americans of health insurance overnight.
That, cruzo, IS political suicide.
You wouldn't understand that, because you don't understand politics -- as shown in your complete understanding of the Appointment Clause of the Constitution.
Need we bring that up again?
Posted - 12/7/2013 8:43:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
I cannot continue to discuss this with you because you are ignoring facts and using false assumptions.
"They may have lost an outdated policy -- but you lose your policy EVERY year and have to apply for a new one."
1. This is a completely false statement. The ACA ushered in new requirements that FORCED insurers to cancel policies. This is a FACT. The president even APOLOGIZED because of his statement that you could keep your doctor keep your policy. The insurance companies issued cancellation letters to policyholders STATING SPECIFICALLY that the policy was being cancelled because of the ACA.
So under your continued attached to this fact, either the president lied when he apologized, or the insurers lied when they sent out cancellation policies. Which is it?
Why you continue to bury your head in the sand and ignore this very simple fact astounds me. Truly. Not sure what you have invested in that fact but your loyalty to it is disturbing.
2. Ever been on COBRA? Ever bought a policy out of pocket/without an employer?
These policies have nothing to do with a "yearly contract." They are month to month. You sign up and pay as you go. No contract. I know because I've had both.
This discussion is useless, simply because you are CHOOSING to remain hopelessly ignorant.
(COBRA requires a yearly contract? Really? You believe that?)
Posted - 12/7/2013 9:30:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
$20,000 a year on HEALTHCARE (not insurance)?
You need to seriously reexamine your lifestyle. That's the equivalent of going to the doctor about every three to four days for a full year.
This year my family went to the doctor maybe 5x altogether. 7x if you count the fact that I got a wisdom tooth pulled with a follow-up visit (paid in full in cash, btw). We rely on healthful nutrition, nontoxic cleaners and natural supplements/remedies to care for ourselves. It works. It's called self responsibility.
$20,000 every year? How sick are you?
Posted - 12/7/2013 10:51:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
Your'e just plain wrong.
"The ACA ushered in new requirements that FORCED insurers to cancel policies". False. Wrong. Not true. There is nothing in this law--or any other law passed at any time under any president that FORCES insurance companies to drop someone. That is their choice. A business decision. Free market and all that.
In any given year--70% of every person who has insurance has that insurance changed. Either the company does it, or the insured does it. 70%. The president apologized--not because he lied--but because the insurance companies who were collecting on these absolute garbage polices cancelled people. Please show me in the ACA where it says insurance companies HAVE to cancel people.
And one more time, it bears repeating...ObamaCare in general "affects a pretty small sliver of the U.S. population: the people who buy health insurance directly, rather than the 80 percent who get it from their jobs or a government program like Medicare or Medicaid, or the 15 percent who have no health insurance at all.
Estimates vary, but the Census Bureau says this figure is about 4 percent of Americans, which comes to about 11 million people."
So...ObamaCare never was a 'national disaster', or the 'death of the Republic' or 'the killing of the Constitution', or any of the other bullshit Obama haters want to come up with. It's rather a way to take care of Americans who need the help. Just like Social Security or Medicare or Medicaid. Programs like these have been hotly debated in the beginning; and accepted as the right thing to do later on.
Posted - 12/7/2013 11:16:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
And PS Quincruise
"polling (CBS, Pew, Quinnipiac, Gallup, Rasmussen) shows opposition/repeal to the ACA is growing."
And the last two elections for President of the United States shows americans want (and wanted) health care reform. Obama ran on it--and won--twice. How's that for polling? And all those same polls show the president has about a 40% approval rating compared to Congress at NINE. How's that for polling?
Posted - 12/7/2013 11:28:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
Which is it etaoin?
No one has lost insurance under Obamacare?
They may have lost an outdated policy?
Are you getting dizzy? All that spinning can't be good for you.
Shame your not getting paid. You try so hard.
Posted - 12/7/2013 11:32:05 PM | show profile | flag this post
Mp, not even close.
Posted - 12/8/2013 12:19:10 AM | show profile | flag this post
Quincruise?? "Mp, not even close."
Well, true, but thanks for chiming in and agreeing with me.
Obama: 65,915,796 Romney: 60,933,500
Obama: 69,498,516 McCain: 59,948,323
Posted - 12/8/2013 9:42:34 AM | show profile | flag this post
>"Well, true, but thanks for chiming in and agreeing with me.
Obama: 65,915,796 Romney: 60,933,500
Obama: 69,498,516 McCain: 59,948,323"<
.....for your all-knowing observations and confirmation that the country approved and wanted Bush's policies.
Bush 62,040,610 Kerry 59,028,449
Posted - 12/8/2013 11:21:11 AM | show profile | flag this post
you obviously don't understand the cost of health care in this country when you say stuff like:
"You need to seriously reexamine your lifestyle. That's the equivalent of going to the doctor about every three to four days for a full year."
A single heart attack can easily run yu $500,000. An accidental shooting, $200,000.
When you buy insurance, you aren't looking at how much you'll pay for just one year -- but for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
It's easier to spread that cost out over the course of a lifetime -- than to try to come up with a half million bucks for a procedure -- or have the hospital send you home to deal with it on your own.
Yes, ERs are required to treat you if you have a heart attack. But they are not required to perform a quadruple by-pass on you if you can't pay. That's the difference between living one more year or 20 more.
My meds alone cost close to $12,000 a year. I'm glad I'm only paying $1,200 a year -- and my wife's boss and their insurance company is picking up the rest of that tab.
Figuring my life expectancy, meds for just this common, chronic condition I developed in my 40s will come to $480,000 over my lifetime. That doesn't even take into account a family history of heart disease that is likely to become uber-costly sometime in my 60s (if family history repeats itself).