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Posted - 12/8/2013 11:34:19 AM | show profile | flag this post
"That is their choice. A business decision"
As the man said, "Not even close."
Regulations formulated by HHS...the Sebelius fiefdom...caused virtually EVERY existing policy to be cancelled. That has been well documented and the Obama administration has confirmed it.
The administration calls the pre-Obamacare policies "substandard," meaning they don't contain all the REQUIRED BUT UNNECESSARY AND UNWANTED coverage mandated by Obama such as maternity coverage for elderly males.
You really ought to try being current on the topic. It's a flat disaster.
Posted - 12/8/2013 5:20:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
That's a lie, a lie and a lie.
"Regulations formulated by HHS...the Sebelius fiefdom...caused virtually EVERY existing policy to be cancelled."
Thought we went through that. Yes, we did. NOTHING in any regulation or law formulated by Congress caused "virtually EVERY" policy to be cancelled. That is and was, the insurance companies choice. Or it is the policy holders choice. That's why 70% of the policies change every year.
In other words--You're lying. Again. Someone show me anything in any law that says insurnace MUST dump someone. All of the sudden the free market is Obama's fault. Who knew.
Posted - 12/8/2013 6:35:53 PM | show profile | flag this post
I didn't say ANYthing about a law formulated by congress.
WHAT I SAID WAS REGULATIONS FORMULATED BY HHS...AND THEY WERE. OBAMA EVEN ADMITTED TO THAT.
Try honesty...just once.
Posted - 12/8/2013 6:38:47 PM | show profile | flag this post
Care to show us..
how "virtually EVERY policy" was canceled?
Seems to me that more than 180 million policies continued without a hitch.
Posted - 12/8/2013 7:44:28 PM | show profile | flag this post
"I didn't say ANYthing about a law formulated by congress."
ObamaCare WAS a law formulated by congress. So what was your point? Oh. Yea. Forgot. You hate Obama. Never mind.
Posted - 12/8/2013 9:50:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
It's truly sad when
a supposedly intelligent person feels the need to be dishonest in order to make his "points."
Posted - 12/8/2013 9:53:14 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Seems to me that..."
No, it doesn't. You're being as dishonest as mp in your egotistic need to "win" a point.
Posted - 12/9/2013 11:20:07 AM | show profile | flag this post
Then show us...
how those 100-million-plus policies were cancelled, cruzo. Seems you can't.
Sounds like you were using "the Drew Pearson Approach" in your wild claim that "virtually every policy" in the country was cancelled.
Remember, the cancellations only affected the individual policy market -- and that only accounts for about 5% of the policies out there.
Posted - 12/9/2013 12:19:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
I didn't count them and neither did you
You don't have any numbers you could call authoritative.
The Sebelius regulations called for CANCELLATION of every policy that was changed in any way after the regulations went into effect...and that was acknowledged by the administration to include most.
Posted - 12/9/2013 2:22:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
I posted authentication...
you chose to ignore it.
You know, kinda like you ignored all the links I presented you on your misreading of the Constitution and the two-thirds vote issue.
Maybe we should go over your lack of reading comprehension one more time.
Posted - 12/9/2013 2:35:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
I just scanned through this thread and laughed my frickin' ass off at the massive amount of pure, unadulterated BS in it aimed at discrediting the ACA and the president.
Don't you people get out of the house *at all?* Don't you ever change the channel? Have you really fallen for all this baloney, or are you merely posting it here to stir up yet another juvenile, combative conversation?
I'm reading about myself in this thread -- subscriber to a policy I buy on my own -- and how all individual policies were canceled and I'm wondering where you parked your unicorn.
All policies most definitely were not canceled. Not even most policies were canceled. Mine wasn't. My friends' policies weren't. Neither were my associates' policies. There were a very few canceled policies among subscribers to an online BBS for independent business people, far less than 1 percent of the total number of subscribers. Add up all of those people, who are located all over the country, and just in my own circle you have several thousand for whom the fantasy into which you've bought never happened.
I also checked out a group insurance meeting -- an open meeting -- mainly because I'm tired of premiums on self-bought policies rising 15-20 percent every year. None of the 200 people at that meeting, one of 10 meetings for the particular subset of the group (which numbers 1.6 million), had had their insurance canceled. None of the group's policies had been canceled.
My homeowners and auto policies change every year. The insurers send notices about new exclusions and additions, the same as they have done ever since I've bought my own health insurance -- since long before the ACA was a glimmer in the Heritage Foundation's boardroom and before Obama got to high school.
I think we all know people who see their employers as parents taking care of them, not businesses making profits from them. I'm sure I was the same when I was in college. The problem is that none of us here is in college anymore.
If you're going to pretend to be a news media professional, then act like one. Talk to people who are not like you. Ask questions. Expose yourself to 360 degrees of information. Never fall for PR, and never do PR. Never repeat rumors. Respect your colleagues, your competitors and your readers/viewers.
Don't make me laugh for the wrong reasons.
Posted - 12/10/2013 10:31:36 AM | show profile | flag this post
Thank you for those comments. I am afraid they fell on deaf ears but they bear repeating:
"Expose yourself to 360 degrees of information. Never fall for PR, and never do PR. Never repeat rumors. Respect your colleagues, your competitors and your readers/viewers."
Of course if everyone followed that advice this forum would end up just like every other forum on the "Bulletin Board". The overwhelming vast majority of posts here are nothing more than PR, rumors and total political spin. Sadly I think most posters actually can not tell the difference between fact and spin.
Posted - 12/10/2013 12:46:13 PM | show profile | flag this post
blacked.. actually, most of us on this board CAN..
tell the difference..easily..
there are a few..(actually, maybe only one under several names) who cannot..or will not..
Posted - 12/10/2013 1:34:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
With all due respect, orthicon
I think the number is much, much smaller than you think. Just because you agree with the spin does not make it any less spin.
Posted - 12/10/2013 2:00:19 PM | show profile | flag this post
i seldom agree with "spin" that does not have..
irrefutable facts to back it up..
Posted - 12/10/2013 2:32:08 PM | show profile | flag this post
That's the idea, orthicon
That's what "spin" is all about. Take a fact, any fact, and then add just the right amount of perspective and you have "spin". It's the cornerstone of all politics.
Posted - 12/10/2013 4:41:50 PM | show profile | flag this post
the operative words in what i wrote, blacked, are..
it ain't spin if it's true..true facts enable you to disregard the spin.. which I do regularly..
I've been in this business going on 45 years now..it's pretty damned hard to "spin" me on anything..and it's been tried by some of the best in the business..from various white houses on down..
Posted - 12/10/2013 4:53:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
Orthicon, you may be able to recognize "spin"
I think that puts you in the minority. I do not think for one second that most of the posters here can tell the difference. But that's just my opinion, and the main reason I am not around much anymore. After a while it just gets tiresome.
Posted - 12/10/2013 5:18:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
From www.kaiserhealthnews.com, a HEALTH INSURER
Taken from Kaiser Permanente's own WEB SITE
Kaiser is a HEALTH INSURER
Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes
Health plans are sending hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters to people who buy their own coverage, frustrating some consumers who want to keep what they have and forcing others to buy more costly policies.
The main reason insurers offer is that the policies fall short of what the Affordable Care Act requires starting Jan. 1.
I guess Kaiser was lying to its consumers?