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Obama has a mandate
Posted - 12/12/2012 10:52:51 AM | show profile | flag this post
At least on raising taxes.
The latest polling shows that not only do Americans overall favor Obama's tax plan by a 2-1 margin, but it also shows 50% of REPUBLICANS favor the plan.
What we've seen since the late 80s with taxes isn't so much an economic policy, but a campaign strategy by the Republican Party.
With communism fading and then falling, Republicans lost their main boogey man. They switched from the the party of anti-communism to the Tax Cut Party.
But, after repeated recessions in GOP administrations and the failure of promised jobs to materialize as a result of tax cuts -- the American people have realized what the Congressional Research Service concluded: tax cuts don't create jobs.
The GOP is going to have to find another drum to bang.
Posted - 12/12/2012 11:34:37 AM | show profile | flag this post
Is that anything like a man cave? Or a mansiere? Who is his man date with? I hear Jamie Foxx thinks he is the bomb.
Posted - 12/12/2012 12:12:25 PM | show profile | flag this post
Two-thirds of Americans agree...
with Obama's plan for addressing the fiscal cliff by letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire on the upper 2%.
And that includes nearly 50% of Republicans.
Think the GOP will listen to the American people...and its own members?
Posted - 12/12/2012 12:22:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
It's where you and your buds go out for a few brews.
Posted - 12/12/2012 12:23:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
no, actually, i DON'T think they will listen..
they will listen to the grover norquists..the karl roves (once he emerges from witness protection)..the hard rightwingnut types..the paul ryans.. the eric cantors..the jim de mints..
even, god help us all, the michele bachmanns and the louie gohmerts.. to set their agenda for the future..
most of all, they'll listen to the rightwing big money people.. the kochs.. the adelsons..
care about their country?..not so much...
Posted - 12/12/2012 1:11:17 PM | show profile | flag this post
A serious question..
Do you think he will manscape before his mandate?
Posted - 12/12/2012 1:24:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
On the menu tonite,
Bitter herbs, crow, some whine...
Yes, yes, yes, we know. Doing what the voters actually want is just an under-handed way of winning elections. Marxist.
PS I'd rather have Jamie Foxx on my side than Ted Nugent any day.
Posted - 12/12/2012 2:04:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
What a great idea...
Let's survey all Americans on every issue. Next we need to find out what Americans want us to do about North Korea, and then we can ask Americans what to do about the Syria.
I know, even better. Let's do away with Congress and the President. We will just let Gallup decide what to do, we sure don't want our elected leaders to make any decisions on their own. Well heck that would be, oh what is that term, leadership. Yeah we don't want that in our elected, well I guess I will have to call them "followers".
Posted - 12/12/2012 2:08:00 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yeah...too bad we didn't take a poll about invading Iraq...
Anyone with any brains saw that was a disaster in the making and they would have been right. You sure love polls when they show a response that you like. The Republicans have shown that they have gone against the wishes of the people repeatedly, and they got smoked in the last election in case you haven't read about it yet. It's time to do something in the interest of the people, not the 2%.
Posted - 12/12/2012 2:20:05 PM | show profile | flag this post
The thing about a representative democracy....
blackedtape, is that it's supposed to represent the people it serves rather than the special interests paying for the campaigns.
The Republican Party is doing this country no favors when they fight the will of the people to support tax breaks for the upper 2% at a cost to 100% of the people.
Posted - 12/12/2012 3:30:19 PM | show profile | flag this post
Huh? OH I GET IT !!!1!!!
Its, cause, like librils are all like "into" gay marriage and stuff.
INTO ... GAYS! (ha ha)
classic stuff there.
I think I'm gonna put my Jeff Foxworth tape in the VCR and get another dose of REAL 'merican comedy...not like those traitors Stewart and Colbert
Hell ... I might even get me some of that Akbar the Terrorist puppet stuff, or Yakov Smirnov, knowwhutimean?
Posted - 12/12/2012 4:19:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
etaoin, yes that is true
But representing their interests does not always mean doing what they want. We elect them to do what is best, and sometimes that may not be what is popular.
I can't help but notice the irony that the most popular news network is constantly degraded by the same group who claims the will of the people is key. Funny how that works out.
Posted - 12/12/2012 4:45:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
PS I'd rather have Jamie Foxx on my side than Ted Nugent any day.
having someone who thinks obama is the lord and savior on your side makes perfect sense.
Posted - 12/12/2012 4:47:01 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Two-thirds of Americans agree"
Then two-thirds of Americans are so uneducated and unsophisticated that they don't know this campaign-issue tax hike will ONLY pay the INTEREST on the national debt for less than 20 DAYS. It'll do nothing for the deficit...and certainly nothing for the debt.
Obama can't seriously be touting it as an answer to anything except an ego boost for himself. It's pure partisan gamesmanship with the GOP...a game of "chicken."
And those Republicans who would accede to it are stupid.
But of course the left wing media won't tell the truth about it...they're in the tank for Obama.
Posted - 12/12/2012 4:58:54 PM | show profile | flag this post
"The GOP is going to have to find another drum to bang."
because raising taxes-which will be felted by everyone who pays them and consumes goods and services- in the mist of falling incomes, flat wages, one of the worst recoveries on record, is such a good idea.
not surprised by the results of this poll. nothing but positive press coverage will do that.
Posted - 12/12/2012 9:15:26 PM | show profile | flag this post
Vox populi; always a double edged sword
It's been a great debate for centuries.
At what point do you start/stop 'listening to the people'?? C'mon, you can't ignore how frickin clear the polls are:
"65 percent say congressional leaders should make compromises to deal with the budget deficit, even if that means Democrats would need to accept targeted spending cuts to Social Security and Medicare, and that Republicans would need to accept targeted increases in tax rates.
That includes 68 percent of Democrats, 66 percent of Republicans and 56 percent of political independents who support this position"
Obama ran on these principles, people knew it, voted for him over Mr. Fliip-Flop. Now is that a 'mandate'? Or just a coincidence?
Now, IMO, blackedtape has the historical good point that we shouldn't legislate bases on polls. (He was his typical snarky self about it) but he has a good point, a great point (legislate by referendum? don't think s) But then, why does Boehner constantly say we 'should listen to the american people and work against the debt?' The polls say they don't like you too much John, so you may want to lay low on that.
But then cruise argues since the populace "are so uneducated and unsophisticated" we shouldn't listen to them either. If you agree with that, then throw out elections too.
There's also the debate that the HOUSE (voted in by neighborhoods representing small interests) is different than the SENATE (voted in by a larger group to represent most of us) compared to the WH (voted in by majority of all of us); Who should have priority??
The WAY I look at it is this; We all voted for all these people, Congress and the WH. When you hear 'elections have consequences??? That means us too. We all elected these people to represent us. 'Fiscal Cliff', 'Budget', 'Middle East Policy', whatever.
Compromising on these very large important things is statesmenship and logical. NOT "who would accede to it are stupid." And "But of course the left wing media won't tell the truth about it..." is juvenile and second grade.
Posted - 12/12/2012 9:31:11 PM | show profile | flag this post
speaking of juvenile
puzo?? Seriously. Sober up and take your meds; then post.
"someone who thinks obama is the lord and savior" No one here ever said that. Besides, God's Black. And she's pissed. (old line but still funny)
"because raising taxes-which will be felted by everyone" I got felted once in College, then she passed out, so I left.
"who pays them and consumes goods and services- in the mist of falling incomes, flat wages,": one of the worst recoveries on record, is such a good idea"
There actually was a friggin good recovery in 'The Mist'. And she wasn't flat either.
"nothing but positive press coverage will do that." Obama won. Sleep now.
(I just LOVE the Repubs have spokesmen like this to make their point. he actually makes cruise look good)
Posted - 12/12/2012 9:43:20 PM | show profile | flag this post
"juvenile and second grade." And your ability to formulate a cogent argument is even worse.
Posted - 12/13/2012 8:43:37 AM | show profile | flag this post
No poster here is a spokesperson for any group. Period. Each poster speaks for themselves only, expressing their own personal thoughts, ideas, and opinions in their own manner.
Posted - 12/13/2012 11:21:15 AM | show profile | flag this post
"someone who thinks obama is the lord and savior"
"No one here ever said that."
perhaps rereading what i posted will help you a bit.
Posted - 12/13/2012 1:40:32 PM | show profile | flag this post
By the way, Mpdodgson
I think you are 180 degrees off there my friend. Representatives are elected by the smallest group, therefore are more closely in touch with the needs and the will of the electorate. Senators represent a much larger group while the President represents the largest group. Think of it this way, I am one out of a few thousand to my Congressman, one of a few million to my Senator and one of 350 million to the President. Now who is going to care the most about me personally? Who is more willing to listen to me? You want to play the "will of the people" card then by far it is the House that is the most in tune with the will of the people. Add to that the fact they are up for re-election every 2 years and you understand why it is called "the people's House".
Posted - 12/14/2012 9:52:59 AM | show profile | flag this post
are certainly out of touch with their constituents.
As I pointed out, nearly two-thirds of the American people have come to realize that tax cuts don't create jobs and that the only way to address the debt issue is to raise taxes.
More and more Republican Representatives are finally coming around and supporting tax increases as part of the compromise.
But there is still a core that clings to the failed political strategy of claiming tax cuts create jobs.
BTW, it is ONLY a political strategy. When Republicans included it in their campaign strategy, they had no proof to back it up and were pretty sure there was no relationship between tax cuts and jobs. It was meant to be a short term political strategy -- and timed to an expected improvement in the economy.
But the GOP began believing their own press releases, and they've not been able to wean themselves from it since.
Right now, only two groups oppose raising taxes -- the base of the GOP and high dollar campaign contributors.
Those Republicans in Congress fighting against raising taxes on 2% of the population are not looking out for OUR best interests -- but in their OWN interests in winning the next primary and getting big money for their campaigns.
Posted - 12/14/2012 10:40:01 AM | show profile | flag this post
"not looking out for OUR best interests -- but in their OWN"
The left wingers here apparently cannot wrap their tiny little brains around the FACT that those GOP representatives were elected by the people of THEIR districts. And those are the only people they represent. They don't have to go along with anyone else.
The national consensus is supposed to arise out of a majority forming around the needs and wants of the people in the various voting districts. And as long as Republicans have a majority in the House, that means a majority of the people agree with their stance on the issues and the peoples' agenda needs to be taken seriously.
But Democrats have perverted that into a party-centric, lock-step marching order based on Obama's self-aggrandizing schemes.
Posted - 12/14/2012 11:41:29 AM | show profile | flag this post
and the people IN THEIR DISTRICTS support raising taxes on the upper 2% incomes.
So, they are ignoring the people they represent to protect their own jobs.
Look, the debate over whether or not to raise taxes on the upper 2% is over.
It ended on election day.
Time to raise taxes on the upper 2%.
Posted - 12/14/2012 12:01:52 PM | show profile | flag this post
Narrowly winning an election
is NOT a mandate. Obama doesn't get to dictate "how things are going to be." Raising tax rates is a non-starter.
Republicans have already signaled their willingness to consider new revenues through closed loopholes and reduced deductions. Now it's time for Obama to compromise...and part of that is agreeing to REAL spending cuts.
I just posted a Washington Post Fact Checker article that says the "$600 billion in spending cuts" Obama is touting is a sham. It's time for him to get real.