|Back to Home > Bulletin Board > Current Events > Topic: Obamacare continues to fall apart|
Obamacare continues to fall apart
Posted - 2/16/2013 12:22:55 PM | show profile | flag this post
PCIP, a measure to provide federal insurance to those with pre-existing conditions who cannot get private insurance, has stopped taking new applications because of a shortage of funding.
This once again proves that Obama and his minions grossly miscalculated the patient load and the costs of his essentially nationalized medical care.
"(I)ndividual cases have turned out to be costlier than originally projected...the administration said the program has spent about $2.4 billion in taxpayer money on medical claims and nearly $180 million on administrative costs, as of Dec. 31."
Posted - 2/16/2013 12:35:40 PM | show profile | flag this post
Cruiser still can't read...
... Or understand what he is reading.
The program was meant to be temporary, stop gap, until the reform package kicks in. From the same article:
"Designed as a stopgap solution until the law's full consumer protections are in effect next year, PCIP has served more than 135,000 people, a lifeline for patients with serious medical problems such as cancer and heart failure. But Congress allocated a limited amount of money, and the administration's technical experts want to make sure it doesn't run out."
In short, sick people helped. And will get care in the future.
Now perhaps budgets could be increased for education, so we can fight the kind of obvious and proven illiteracy plaguing mouth breathers like cruiser.
Posted - 2/16/2013 12:50:40 PM | show profile | flag this post
"The program was meant to be temporary, stop gap"
Yeah...and they miscalculated the costs and ran out of money...just like I said.
I recommend remedial reading comprehension studies.
Posted - 2/16/2013 12:59:56 PM | show profile | flag this post
Pilot programs are like that.
Posted - 2/16/2013 1:20:41 PM | show profile | flag this post
Still can't read.
"Congress allocated ..."
Yup, it was underfunded. By the GOP.
Thankfully there are responsible civil servents who care about the sick, and America's well being, and are doing all they can, with what they were given by the GOP, to save lives.
It isn't any secret that the GOP wants health care reform to fail.
And they clearly have no plan, or interest, in covering those Americans, who no fault of their own, suffer from prexisting conditions.
Hey, if people die ... I guess that the price the GOP is willing pay for political victory. Budgets over lives.
Posted - 2/16/2013 5:20:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
The point is
this is just one more in a series of issues with the ill-considered, poorly designed, unpopular and poory executed Obamacare.
Posted - 2/16/2013 5:46:20 PM | show profile | flag this post
Cruiser: "I feel for those who are out of work"
"Those Wright Brothers are blithering fools! As if man will ever fly! Why even try?"
Posted - 2/16/2013 6:16:12 PM | show profile | flag this post
Cruiser can't read, can't decide...
... First the problem is Obama didn't expect how popular it would be and underfunded it ... Even though it was GOP congress appropriation and budget.
Now cruiser argues it is unpopular ... (huh? I thought it was too popular?) and poorly executed .. Even though hard working civil servents and the medical community are overcoming the GOP imposed no-win to ensure these sick Americans get the treatment they need and morally deserve.*
This is why the right wing is failing.
A stupid and cheap political attack that doesn't match the facts.
Just like the Reagan , semi-auto weapons argument.
Go back to your Rush and Beck echo chamber. No one is buying the bullshit.
That was proven in the election. And it is proven in continuing polls. And it is proven in the civil war brewing in the GOP party.
*(And let's be clear here: it's not because many many patients with preexisting conditions can't pay .. It is because companies won't cover .. A problem of the private system even honest conservatives concede).
Posted - 2/16/2013 6:23:54 PM | show profile | flag this post
Just keep thinking
you're right, and everyone else is wrong cruise. That's what you're good at it.
You actually started a thread pointing out, in detail, why ObamaCare is 'falling apart'. How?? Where?? "those with pre-existing conditions who cannot get private insurance... OH--they had pre-existing?? Which wasn't covered BEFORE ObamaCare--and they cannot get private insurance?? So "Obama" caused their illness???? Who knew??? Capital Duh?!?!?
That's the whole point of ObamaCare you idiot. Covering those Americans who can't and don't have private insurance. What a frickin crime. Impeach the guy for trying to take care of sick people. "ill-considered"??? It was a Republican idea!! Nixon was for this for petes sake. "unpopular"???? What polls are you reading?? Every poll shows the vast majority are FOR the ObamaCare proposals--they just don't like the label. "poory executed" [sic] Get over it. Passed by an elected Congress, signed by the elected presidnt and then certified by the Supreme Court. My god, what a tyrant.
When you talk about "Obama and his minions" That's the President of the United States you're talking about, his "minions" are the american public, and the " the patient load" are your fellow citizens. Try to show a tiny bit of respect and well, compassion maybe?? Nah. If they die they die.
Posted - 2/16/2013 6:36:54 PM | show profile | flag this post
Oh, and BTW?
"$2.4 billion in taxpayer money on medical claims and nearly $180 million on administrative costs, as of Dec. 31."
That's for our fellow Americans. They are ill, and they need our help. Taking care of them is what we do. It's what we're supposed to do. The cost of Bush's Iraq War of Choice is $811 Billion and climbing. And you're going to whine and bitch about 2.4??? Priorties. Please.
Posted - 2/16/2013 7:30:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
I am the biggest idiot ever...
And I know that is no surprise to most of you. You see I have been working 2 jobs for years now making sure I had savings to cover my family in case of a serious illness. And I work for a company I really don't like because of the insurance coverage. What a fool I am! It's not my responsibility to take care of my family, it's yours!! It's what you do! Well I am done now. I am quitting both my jobs. Time to let the rest of you take care of me.
Posted - 2/16/2013 8:02:19 PM | show profile | flag this post
Blacked, you've mentioned..
... That your family works in the health care field.
So you know that thousands of Americans faithfully pay for health insurance, only to have their claims denied, after the fact, because of preexisiting conditions. Or they can't get coverage, even if they could pay, because companies don't want to take the risk.
This is a failure of the health insurance system; private companies more interested in protecting profit than providing patient and client care.
It is not failure of individual responsibility.
People don't chose to be sick, any more than they choose to get hit by a hurricane or tornado, or get in car crash.
And it is certainly something that transcends partisanship.
Posted - 2/16/2013 10:41:30 PM | show profile | flag this post
First of all, stop working so hard. It's not good for you. We're not getting any younger.
Second, God forbid, if something did happen to you tomorrow, yes, your family will be cared for. One of the perks of being an American.
Posted - 2/17/2013 9:45:02 AM | show profile | flag this post
over 50% of the country wants obamacare repealed.
7 million plus will have to get new plans thanks to obamacare. if you like your play you can keep it was a lie.
30% of businesses will be dropping their plans all together.
middle class families have seen their cost jump three- thousands dollars thanks to obamacare. middle class families will play even more in increases over the next two years.
middle class families saving twenty-five hundred dollars was a lie.
obamacare is costing american jobs. americans are seeing their hours cut because of obamacare.
obamacare is a house of cards built on shifting sands. if i was a elected republican, i would block any democrat attempt to fix what they voted on before they knew what was it, and say i told you so. and yes, republicans did tell americans so.
voters get what they voted for.
Posted - 2/17/2013 11:23:18 AM | show profile | flag this post
The polls are mixed
I mean REALLY mixed. If you Google "Obamacare polls" almost all of them say it's about half and half. The Kaiser poll done right after the presidential election is cited alot ("But only 33 percent of Americans now want to see the law repealed").
On the other hand, when you break the law(s) down to specific parts you see much more approval. "Seventy-eight percent of Republicans support "banning insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions"; 86 percent of Republicans favor "banning insurance companies from cancelling policies because a person becomes ill." Those points are backed by 82 percent and 87 percent of independents, respectively." For instance.
And "Fifty-two percent of Republicans favor "allowing children to stay on parents insurance until age 26." Sixty-nine percent of independents agree.
So when you say "over 50% of the country wants obamacare repealed." I'd be interested to hear where you found that.
Posted - 2/17/2013 6:27:06 PM | show profile | flag this post
When polled piece-by-piece
yes, a majority favors many of the individual pieces. That is only because they don't understand...or have not taken the time to consider...what the costs will be, how it will play into eventual nationalization of health care, what the premiums will be, etc. The most important consideration is how it will affect the availability of health care professionals.
We've already seen a push to lower the bar so that physicians' assistants and nurse practitioners...along with pharmacists and optometrists...will become primary care providers. All of this, of course, brought on by doctors leaving the profession and not enough trainees in the pipeline.
Posted - 2/17/2013 7:04:38 PM | show profile | flag this post
I certainly hope your comment was intended with the same high level of sarcasm as mine. Otherwise, you are living in a dream world and need to get your head out of the clouds.
Posted - 2/17/2013 7:38:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
Here in Canada that is exactly what happens. And in evey other g8 , and most of the g20 nations.
I pay for my, and my fellow citizens, health.
Universal care, more efficient and cost effective than America's because every one is a part of it.
Canadian taxes, which includes univseral Medicare, are lower than American taxes + private health care.
Simple, proven, economics.
(Which is why Canada attracts manufacturers like Big Auto despite higher wages)
And the objective data in life expectancy, maternal Health, cancer recovery .. name your stat .. prove it is just as good, if not better than America's.
That's isn't sarcasm or gloating, just fact.
Feel free to apply up here blacked.... Few Canadians are as obnoxious as I am...
Posted - 2/18/2013 9:44:05 AM | show profile | flag this post
Come on you morons...
Seriously...how stupid do you have to be to not want universal coverage...Europe pays HALF what we do in health care. Everyone is covered. NO ONE goes bankrupt from medical bills. NO ONE loses their home and life savings from getting sick. The life expectancy in European countries is LONGER. So they spend less money and get better results. But you fucking pinheads are so scared of "socialized medicine" because the right wing has pounded it into your thick skulls for so long that you cannot think a single thought for yourselves. For once, try to actually use your brain and see that we are getting ripped off by the corporate insurance and pharma business and you idiots sit there and let it happen because you are so afraid of "socialism" What a bunch of idiots! The term "socialized medicine" was coined by the AMA who didn't want to lose their power back under Teddy Roosevelt who was pushing for universal coverage. Yet it is still the sounding charge for the mindless chicken shits who can't think for themselves. Thanks a lot for keeping your fellow Americans sick and broke. What a bunch of mindless losers!
Posted - 2/18/2013 9:52:23 AM | show profile | flag this post
and why do so many real and fake canadians come to american for our healthcare?
"corporate insurance and pharma business"
which overwhelming supported obamacare and democrats.
"Thanks a lot for keeping your fellow Americans sick and broke."
thank allah for obamacare. oh wait, these same sick and broke folks will/are paying higher cost thanks to obamacare.
Posted - 2/18/2013 11:16:49 AM | show profile | flag this post
Thanks for the laugh..
The faker talking about a "dreamworld"? I just did a full Danny Thomas spit take at that one!
Posted - 2/18/2013 11:26:18 AM | show profile | flag this post
I had the opportunity to observe
socialized medicine closeup with its long waits for care, restricted/unavailable treatment options and indifferent providers. It's not the panacea the left portrays.
The comparison of life expectancies is misleading. Japan has the highest on the globe at 82.2 years. The US ranks 29th at 78.2 years. That's not a great deal of difference.
Most of the European countries rank only slightly above the US. Japan and European countries are much smaller populations and much more closed societies than the US. Their life expectancies could have as much...or more...to do with genetics as the quality or availability of health care.
There is a danger is quoting raw statistics without understanding the underlying assumptions and the limitations on the data.