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newscred Posted - 6/29/2013 3:01:54 PM | show profile | flag this post

What's with all the hysteria over the comments by Paula Deen?

You'd think she killed someone the way she's being portrayed.




cruiser Posted - 6/29/2013 3:21:06 PM | show profile | flag this post

I think Paula Deen

is being subjected to the phony self-righteousness of a segment of the population that has discovered it can away with it and get a lot of mileage out of it.

I can remember when kraut, wop, kike, gook, chink, spic, A-rab, hunky, mick, etc., were the ways in which most people referred to those of other ethnicities (my grandparents included). This has certainly diminished in the last three or four decades...along with the use of the term nigger.

But what has not diminished, in my view, is the use of "whitey," "honkey," "cracker," "red neck," etc.

We've got a real live...and far too typical of left wing groups...double standard going here.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 6/29/2013 6:42:37 PM | show profile | flag this post

In my world (which is pretty big), nobody of any race, ethnicity, religion or gender uses epithets to refer to anybody else.

That's the thing: In 2013, you don't expect a mother figure who's invited into homes via print and broadcast to be a closet throwback who uses demeaning language to refer to people who helped to make her a star.

However, the Wall Street Journal this week homed in on another reason for the corporate backlash against Deen: low ratings and sinking popularity. The companies needed to let go of her anyway, and this gave them double the reasons.

cruiser Posted - 6/29/2013 7:41:26 PM | show profile | flag this post

Learn to read...

and to understand what you've read.

Then go back and try again.

Or are you one of those who just has to say SOMEthing even if it contributes nothing material to the discussion?

orthicon Posted - 6/29/2013 11:53:28 PM | show profile | flag this post

seems that the only people who "contribute ..

meaningful to the discussion" are those very few who agree with you..

no one else need apply..

and you wonder why you're a joke around here?..

blackedtaped Posted - 6/30/2013 10:05:23 AM | show profile | flag this post

Grateful, I must confess deep admiration

That in your "world" there is no one who has EVER used a racial epithet or any other offensive term to describe another person. I think that is quite an impressive group that compromises your large and varied world. I sadly cannot make such a claim if for no other reason than I have known most of the people in my world for only the last 16 years so I have no idea what they may have said during the time before I met them.

VTexan Posted - 6/30/2013 10:23:12 AM | show profile | flag this post

My confession

Confession is a silly word in this context, but I'll use it nonetheless. In high school my best friend and I were known to say often in our best (bad) black accent "I's just a nigguh like evuhbody else."

Shocked? Yeah, whatever. The backstory is that we read Zap Comics and its creator was a weird guy named R.Crumb. Google him and the comics if you're unexposed to them.

The "I's just a nigguh like evuhbody else" was a saying he said from time to time in them. It was the way he conveyed a blue collar solidarity with the vast working class of the bottom strata of America. It was a way my friend and I, both long-haired 17 year-olds in a place where long hair could get your ass whooped real quick, expressed that we were that part of Texas's new minority, and that like black folks, we were vulnerable and disenfranchised from normal society.

This is where the nuance of the modern era tends to fail us. Our phrase wasn't in the least racist. It was actually an attempt to show a solidarity with black folks, not a criticism of them. Does that come through, or is your first inclination to say "VTexan is a racist!"?

This is not a defense of Paula Deen. I don't particularly care what happens to her. What my statement is...is a declaration that I've used that word, in my own right and for my own reasons...and that it didn't make me a racist.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 6/30/2013 11:17:32 AM | show profile | flag this post

Your disdain sucks, blackedtaped.

Yes, it really does happen that you can build your life not to consort with people who use epithets. You do it by not going where epithet-throwers go and by not adding such people to your circle of friends.

Believing that it's impossible is a mistake. Walk in a mile in my shoes. Then you also might choose not to put that garbage in your world as a woman and a minority.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 6/30/2013 11:24:19 AM | show profile | flag this post

*** seems that the only people who "contribute ..
meaningful to the discussion" are those very few who agree with you..
no one else need apply..
and you wonder why you're a joke around here?.. ***

(((Psst, orth! He wants all of us to think he's the smartest one in the room. The only way he knows to actually be the smartest in the room is to be alone in it. Typical NPD. )))


cruiser Posted - 6/30/2013 11:55:15 AM | show profile | flag this post

Once again

the respondents are talking about EVERYTHING BUT the real thrust of my post, which was the double standard that is in play and the continued use of racial epithets by that societal segment which is seeminly most disturbed by epithets.

cruster Posted - 6/30/2013 12:26:28 PM | show profile | flag this post

The Real Thrust of cuiser's Post

Was the opportunity to use the N word.

He LOVES it!

Didn't that feel good cruiser?


blackedtaped Posted - 6/30/2013 12:56:04 PM | show profile | flag this post

I continue to stand in awe, Grateful

I wonder how that works. Do you make people fill out a questionaire? First question: Have you EVER used the "n"word? What is even more amazing is much regard people hold for you that they worry their past indescetions could force their bananishment from your world. Wouldn't it just ruin your high ideals to think that maybe, just maybe, some of those friends you hold in such high regard have actually, GASP, called people names before? I know they would never do that in your presence, they could not afford banishment form your little world.
How about climbing down from that high horse of yours and admit you are no better or worse than the rest of us? Would it just kill you to admit you are NOT perfection personified?

con Posted - 7/1/2013 12:21:27 PM | show profile | flag this post

sucks paula deen wasn't a abortion doctor. the liberal media would have issued a blackout and insisted this a local story........



"phony self-righteousness"


considering the left loves to tell us what we can and cannot eat-is the outrage from the left more to do with the way she cooks- then what she actually said?

Grateful Deadline Posted - 7/1/2013 2:12:31 PM | show profile | flag this post

*** I continue to stand in awe, Grateful

I wonder how that works. Do you make people fill out a questionaire? DO YOU ASK STUPID QUESTIONS OF EVERYONE WHO HAS A DIFFERENT LIFE EXPERIENCE FROM YOURS?

First question: Have you EVER used the "n"word? N.E.V.E.R. E.V.E.R. NOT EVEN AS A CHILD. REMEMBER THAT YOU DID NOT GROW UP IN MY FAMILY OR IN MY COMMUNITY.

What is even more amazing is much regard people hold for you that they worry their past indescetions could force their bananishment from your world. Wouldn't it just ruin your high ideals to think that maybe, just maybe, some of those friends you hold in such high regard have actually, GASP, called people names before? I know they would never do that in your presence, they could not afford banishment form your little world. THEY DON'T DO IT. IF YOUR FRIENDS DO, THEN IT IS YOUR CHOICE TO HAVE FRIENDS LIKE THEM.

How about climbing down from that high horse of yours and admit you are no better or worse than the rest of us? Would it just kill you to admit you are NOT perfection personified? MY HORSE IS NOT HIGH. PERHAPS YOUR HORSE IS LOW. MY MOM AND DAD BELIEVED IN EQUALITY OF ALL HUMANKIND, AND THAT'S HOW THEY RAISED THEIR KIDS -- AS WELL AS RAISING THEIR KIDS TO BELIEVE AND PRACTICE GOOD CHARACTER AND TO STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE IT. PERHAPS THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME. YOUR INABILITY TO ACCEPT IT ISN'T MY PROBLEM.

cruiser Posted - 7/1/2013 4:32:59 PM | show profile | flag this post

"MY MOM AND DAD...

RAISED THEIR KIDS...TO BELIEVE AND PRACTICE GOOD CHARACTER"

Is that why you're always so uptight and belligerent? Do you think they'd be proud of you?

blackedtaped Posted - 7/1/2013 5:15:42 PM | show profile | flag this post

Grateful deadline

Your total lack of tolerance is not something to hold up with pride. I have friends from all walks of life. I have friends who are atheists as well as religious conservatives. I have gay friends who want to get married as well as other friends who don't think gays should marry. And I actually have friends that, at one time in their life, used the "N" word. And I strongly suspect so do you, you just don't know about it.

As far as that word, it is the strongest word in America today by far. There is no other word that comes even close to the power it has. Rappers know the power of the word, that's why they use it so much. Black comedians know the power of the word, they know only they can dare speak it in public. A white comedian uses it and his career is over. An incredibly violent movie about the horrors of slavery can come out and there are those who are concerned about how many times the word is used. A white woman can lose not one but multiple jobs just for having said it a long time ago. As long as people keep getting "outraged" every time they hear the word it will continue to hold it's power over American society.

cruster Posted - 7/1/2013 9:32:21 PM | show profile | flag this post

Paula Deen. Conservative Icon

Yes, Paula Deen now stands proudly as the "we've all said it at one time or another" symbol of conservative America.

With liberal companies like Wal-Mart, Smithfield pork producers, Novo Nordisk, QVC, Target and other communist collectives dropping Deen, it's now safe for God fearing Americans to embrace her and her N-word sayin' ways y'all!

Plus her book; "Paula Deen's New Testament: 250 Recipes: All Lightened Up", has soared to number one on Amazon.com. (that title drips with irony, no? Buttery delicious irony!)

See media, your racism over racist expressions used by racists and meant to demean people of particular races is just racist.





mpdodgson Posted - 7/1/2013 9:47:22 PM | show profile | flag this post

Big Picture please?

IMO, We've lost sight of the bigger picture here...it's not USING the "N Word"--It's MEANING it....

I think cruisercred just started the thread so he could use all the insulting words in a context he thought would be excused. Funny how he censored himself with "a**hole" in one thread, but in another thread he freely and proudly types "kraut, wop, kike, gook, chink, spic, A-rab, hunky, mick" and nigger likes it does mean anything. Just makin a point here donchaknow, so that way it's okay.

It's not okay. It's never okay. Period. Yes, I've done it in my past too, (just like my friend Tex), but it doesn't excuse it. And I don't it allow it in my presence now. Ever. That doesn't make me better than anyone else btw. It just contributes to me being a decent human being.

The bigger picture I spoke of is this--I think you're all forgetting the point of how this story came to light in the first place--It WAS'NT that some TV personality used the N word--it was a DISCRIMINATION suit. "current and two former employees told him white employees are routinely paid more than black employees and are promoted more quickly. A black man who had threatened to go to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission said Deen's brother told him "you don't have any civil rights here," "found evidence of systemic racial discimination and harassment" by Deen and that "a family member consistently referred to a black cook as 'my little monkey.' (from the law suit)

In other words, using the 'N word'...either in your past, (because heh--that's just what everyone said..) or in the context of a joke (because her, well, it's just a joke); that's one thing. But to actually BELIEVE it and discriminate?? That's no laughing matter.

orthicon Posted - 7/1/2013 11:50:36 PM | show profile | flag this post

blacked.. i agree with much of what you said..

as long as people continue to use the word, it'll never release its hold on all of us..

it'll only begin to go away when EVERYONE ceases to use it.. and I mean EVERYONE..that would include black people using it on each other as a joke, or an insult, or some twisted kind of ethnic solidarity..

everyone means everyone..

orthicon Posted - 7/1/2013 11:51:15 PM | show profile | flag this post

blacked.. i agree with much of what you said..

as long as people continue to use the word, it'll never release its hold on all of us..

it'll only begin to go away when EVERYONE ceases to use it.. and I mean EVERYONE..that would include black people using it on each other as a joke, or an insult, or some twisted kind of ethnic solidarity..

everyone means everyone..

orthicon Posted - 7/1/2013 11:52:09 PM | show profile | flag this post

sorry about double post..

no idea why that happens..


cruiser Posted - 7/2/2013 12:52:48 AM | show profile | flag this post

But I didn't start the thread, you a**hole

You're dishonest as always.

blackedtaped Posted - 7/2/2013 10:23:20 AM | show profile | flag this post

Mpdodgson tells half the story..

Those allegations were made as part of a lawsuit against Paula's brother and partner, and because she was listed as part owner she was included in the lawsuit. The allegations were made against Bubba not Paula.
Here is the transcript of her testimony. I think you might find it interesting to read: http://www.scribd.com/doc/148813272/Transcript-of-the-Testimony-of-Paula-Deen-Date-May-17-2013

I also think this is a pretty good alternate perspective on the whole matter: http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/shortorder/2013/06/bring_paula_deen_back_read_the.php

blackedtaped Posted - 7/2/2013 10:32:03 AM | show profile | flag this post

Rest of the story, part 2

Here is a recent filing by the defendants in the Paula Deen harassment suit. One thing that jumped out at me was the fact that the woman bringing the lawsuit testified she never heard Paula Deen make a racist remark.
http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Deen-june-25-sanctions-motion__130701221933.pdf




blackedtaped Posted - 7/2/2013 10:33:38 AM | show profile | flag this post

Oh and Cruster

Thanks as always for contributing nothing constructive to a conversation.


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