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Republicans Racing to the Left

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etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 11/9/2012 10:03:52 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Speaker Boehner now says the Republican House will drop all efforts to repeal Obamacare, "Well, I think the election changes that. It's pretty clear that the president was reelected, Obamacare is the law of the land." Immigration reform is now a top priority for the Republicans in the next Congress, with the Obama administration and Democrats in Congress pushing it as their likely first major agenda issue after January. Indications are the GOP leadership will likely go along with a lot of what the Democrats want -- largely out of fear of the Demographic Time Bomb. And Republicans are open to matching tax hikes to spending cuts in a compromise to avoid the fiscal cliff. This may be a weird technicality. There's talk the GOP will allow the tax cuts to expire and automatic spending cuts to take effect only momentarily before voting for a solution. This would let them save face in 2014 by saying -- technically -- they didn't vote for tax hikes. But they're now aware it's going to happen. I do believe the GOP may have learned a painful lesson from the election this week and are making reforms in the party to make them a serious force in the 2014 and 2016 elections.

beenthere	Posted - 11/9/2012 10:34:51 AM \| show profile \| flag this post This will probably sound surprising, but I really don't want them "racing to the left." That defeats the whole purpose of dissenting opinions. It would be nice if there could be thought out, reasoned compromise.

cruiser	Posted - 11/9/2012 11:38:18 AM \| show profile \| flag this post The fact is Republicans HAVE thought-out, reasoned solutions but Democrats are unwilling to even discuss them. They want Republicans to simply roll over. The house with its GOP majority sent over 20 budget bills to the senate but Harry Reid tabled every one...refusing to let them come up for discussion. Why should Republicans accept tryanny? Reid called the game...it was gridlock he wanted and gridlock he got. And it is we the people who are Reid's victims.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 11/9/2012 11:42:46 AM \| show profile \| flag this post And why should Democrats simply roll over, cruzo? The House budget bills were hammered out to appeal to the TEA Party -- a small, fringe element in the GOP that overreached after the 2010 elections. The GOP mainstream pandered to them -- and were cost control of the White House and Senate this year largely because of the TEA Party. And TEA Party candidates were the biggest losers in House and Senate races on Tuesday. The GOP is waking up to the fact that the extreme right is hurting them and it is now moving back toward the middle where Democrats can work with them on comprises.

beenthere	Posted - 11/9/2012 11:54:33 AM \| show profile \| flag this post This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. Both of your reactions proved my point. Let's take off the blue/red, flush the political labels DOWN THE TOILET and oh, have a CONVERSATION for once. Maybe that can solve the problems. This isn't the superbowl. You don't get points if your team wins. You get points if the teams work together.

cruiser	Posted - 11/9/2012 11:58:15 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Are you honestly trying to sell that load of fertilizer? You want the GOP to move to the center while Democrats continue to occupy the far left fringe? Republicans cannot, in good conscience, permit that and continue to represent the people who elected them. How about senate Democrats move to the center and demonstrate some good will and willingness to compromise?

orthicon	Posted - 11/9/2012 12:37:04 PM \| show profile \| flag this post there is no argument that both sides need to move.. the republicans need to move farther and faster.. the tea party debacle tuesday night should have told ALL republicans that simple fact.. and they need to get it done fast.. let the team party "caucus" yell and scream all they want.. there are no longer enough of them to really make a difference..

con	Posted - 11/9/2012 12:56:03 PM \| show profile \| flag this post wait...... i was told by posters on this board obamacare was a republican idea. if republicans go along with obamnesty- they will indeed be a minority party- rightly so. republicans are against tax hikes- democrats are against spending cuts. going off the cliff won't happen- neither will anything major. status quo will be the deal. both sides will come out looking really bad. republicans don't get elected by "racing to the left". it is democrats who race like republicans.

orthicon	Posted - 11/9/2012 1:41:27 PM \| show profile \| flag this post con... "..whatever helps you get through the night.."

cruiser	Posted - 11/9/2012 1:43:23 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "republicans need to move farther and faster" You need to explain that. It is not apparent on its face...and I doubt you can make a cogent argument for that.

mpdodgson	Posted - 11/9/2012 1:54:07 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Americans have spoken They want compromise. That should be the end of the argument. Obama and the Dems HAVE to agree on spending cuts. Of some kind. Including big ticket items Boehner and the Repubs have to agree on tax increases. And that just doesn't mean not giving tax breaks to Exxon/Mobil or GE. If there aas a way I could make Newt Speaker & Clinton as president for two months I would. Hell, I would settle for Obama as president and Chris Christie speaker for two months. Screw party politics and get the job done. Too much to ask?

cruiser	Posted - 11/9/2012 2:00:06 PM \| show profile \| flag this post "Americans have spoken. They want compromise." That does NOT mean Republicans are supposed to roll over. It means Democrats...if they truly are serious about compromise...MUST be willing to move off of the far left territory Obama and Reid have staked out. It really is that simple.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 11/9/2012 2:19:58 PM \| show profile \| flag this post cruiser, you are defining "far left" according to your extreme-right personal ideology, as always. The GOP grossly miscalculated the effect of alienating huge blocs of voters within its own party while heading in the direction of your highly vocal personal ideology. To recapture the lost members of its own party is hardly "rolling over," even though you personally may believe that moderate Republicans should be cut out of the party permanently.

cruiser	Posted - 11/9/2012 3:07:13 PM \| show profile \| flag this post I would have expected nothing less than the predictable rationalization of a talking points parrot.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 11/9/2012 8:03:57 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Yeah, me and the New York Times. At least three pieces today in the Gray Lady, including one by a conservative columnist, also address the Republican Party's campaign failures within the party's own ranks. If your party doesn't handle its failures, it's not going to win next time, either. Voters aren't stupid.

cruster	Posted - 11/9/2012 9:32:34 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Why Didn't the Stupid Work? There were so many conservative amigos here who were willing and exceedingly able to be "stupid for the cause", how did that not work?? Con, thesecondcoming, SPC, Ron Vegas, newscred, etc. all exhibited monumental stupidity in an effort to vault Romney to victory. I mean epic stupid. How did this not succeed? Rush, Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Ingram, off the charts stupid. And still Obama wins. Usually right wing stupidity means a win (I'm looking at you Tea Partiers. Still the kings) There is a great disturbance in the force Luke.

orthicon	Posted - 11/10/2012 12:26:41 AM \| show profile \| flag this post well, we'll see where it all goes..but remember.. history is written by the winners.. the losers sit around, saying "shut up and deal.."

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 11/10/2012 7:10:18 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Go back and read the transcript... of Obama' acceptance speech Tuesday night. Compare it to this acceptance speech in 2008 and you will see a huge move toward the center. Even conservative pundits have been calling Obama a center-left President. Voters destroyed the TEA Party -- the extreme right wing fringe -- on Tuesday. The extablishment GOP that survived is racing to the left now -- conceding Obamacare, agreeing to immigration reform that will largely be dictated by Democrats, agreeing to compromise on the fiscal cliff. You're dream of a President Santorum won't happen in 2016. Your insistence on believing that the right wing fringe is still in control of the Republican Party looks as silly as the FOX News meltdown on election night.

orthicon	Posted - 11/10/2012 7:52:40 PM \| show profile \| flag this post eta.. i dunno.. it's just possible he might be right.. unlikely, but noit impossible.. the republican party can go one of two ways from here.. it can jettison the baggage the tea party and the rightwingnuts have loaded it down with, move toward the center, meet the moderate democrats, and actually get this country operating again.. or.. and this is more likely.. the rightwingnuts can take complete control and decide that ideological purity and the i'll-take-my-ball-and-go-home attitude is how they want to go forward..not caring whether it ends up costing them any political relevance at all.. and be happy being the party of old white protestants..mainly men..located in the south and some of the midwest..oh, wait..that's where wisconsin, minnesota and michigan are.. anyway..become a small regional party that no one listens to.. it's their choice..but they don't have much time to make that choice..

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 11/10/2012 11:47:22 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Orth, there is nothing more I'd like to see... than your prediction come true. But I'm afraid, with the TEA Party shattered in Tuesday's election, that cooler heads will prevail in the GOP. I'd love to see a Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum nominated in 2016. A right wing ideologue would be the easiest target in the next election. But I don't think the TEA Party has any currency in the Republican party anymore. I think we're going to see a much more moderate Republican Party -- more Nelson Rockerfeller and Gerry Ford than Goldwater and Reagan. And with Rove in the Witness Protection Program after ripping off the Koch Brothers and Sheldon Adelson -- the neo-cons are out of the game, too.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 11/10/2012 11:47:46 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Orth, there is nothing more I'd like to see... than your prediction come true. But I'm afraid, with the TEA Party shattered in Tuesday's election, that cooler heads will prevail in the GOP. I'd love to see a Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum nominated in 2016. A right wing ideologue would be the easiest target in the next election. But I don't think the TEA Party has any currency in the Republican party anymore. I think we're going to see a much more moderate Republican Party -- more Nelson Rockerfeller and Gerry Ford than Goldwater and Reagan. And with Rove in the Witness Protection Program after ripping off the Koch Brothers and Sheldon Adelson -- the neo-cons are out of the game, too.

cruiser	Posted - 11/11/2012 12:31:53 PM \| show profile \| flag this post This dude has the most AMAZING capacity to convince himself that wishful thinking is reality. ROFL!

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 11/12/2012 6:36:16 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Cruzo... you really need to do something about your denial. Maybe, come to grips with reality. The TEA Party was hammered hard on Tuesday and Republicans are racing away from them. Pick up a newspaper or turn on the TV sometimes. Our "casual readers" are likely to see you as out of touch as Karl Rove.

cruster	Posted - 11/12/2012 7:36:09 PM \| show profile \| flag this post I'm ROFLing Too! When I'm not LOL or LMAO. Sometiimes I CUIABAC (curl up in a ball and cry) when I TARLE (think about Romney losing the election) or realize OHFMYITWH (Obama has four more years in the White House).