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Romney calls cease fire on health care

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etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/3/2012 10:37:53 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Somewhere, Rick Santorum is smiling and thinking, "Told you so!" The Romney campaign has realized it can't get any traction on the health care issue -- not with Romneycare in his background. So they've decided to drop what TEA Partiers were hoping would be the biggest campaign issue of the GOP election effort this year. http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2012/07/romney-campaign-avoiding-healt.php This after polling showing no advantage to a slight bump for Obama after last week's Supreme Court ruling.

thesecondcoming	Posted - 7/3/2012 10:49:09 AM \| show profile \| flag this post You might want to consider this point The supreme court decision, by itself, has energized the conservative base like a wildfire. Romney doesn't need to say much about it, yet.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/3/2012 11:00:59 AM \| show profile \| flag this post The right has actually gone into damage control... since the Supreme Court ruling. There have been a series of major problems on the right since the ruling came down. 1) New Washington Post/ABC polling shows "just 30% have a favorable opinion of Mitt Romney's approach to health care, while 47% see it negatively." Meanwhile, those who approve and oppose Obamacare are nearly split since the decision. The lopsided oppostion has vanished -- largely because news media have switched from covering the politics to what's actually in the law. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/public-divides-on-aca-ruling-but-romneys-plans-fall-shorter/ and at... http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/02/cnn-poll-health-care-ruling-changes-views-of-supreme-court/ and here... http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/01/us-usa-campaign-healthcare-idUSBRE85S14820120701 2) Sen Mitch McConnell publicly saying it'll be virtually impossible to repeal Obamacare -- even if the GOP wins the House, Senate and White House next year. He figures the law will be too popular by election day to reverse it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/02/mitch-mcconnell-health-care-law_n_1644466.html?utm_hp_ref=politics 3) Romney whiz-kid Eric Fehrnstrom who saddled Romney with the "Etch-a-Sketch" label went off message on health care during a TV interview -- claiming the individual mandate is not a tax -- after saying the Romneycare individual mandate IS a tax. Probably part of the reason Romney has decided to cut his losses and campaign on something else.

SPC	Posted - 7/3/2012 11:20:50 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Most people disagree with the political decision handed down by SCOTUS. Even more want the Obamatax repealed. Obamatax will be a major issue this election. It will help republicans win the senate. That is why Claire McCaskill and other democrats are running from Obama and his historical tax, which will be paid for off the backs of working Americans. Even more, once America sees all the taxes, major increases in their healthcare cost, employers dropping health insurance, and forced changes to their plans thanks to Obamacare/tax, republicans will increase their majorities in 2014. If Obama does win the election, he will be a lame duck form day one.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/3/2012 11:41:29 AM \| show profile \| flag this post SPC... is out of touch. He said: "Most people disagree with the political decision handed down by SCOTUS. Even more want the Obamatax repealed." I cited three links to seperate polls showing that statement is wrong. The American people are swinging toward support of the law now that they're finding out what's actually in it. But keep fighting that fight. Every breath a right winger wastes fighting this issue -- takes away from discussion of the economy.

beenthere	Posted - 7/3/2012 11:52:54 AM \| show profile \| flag this post Most people disagree with the political decision handed down by SCOTUS. Even more want the Obamatax repealed. ____ The voices in your head do not count as voters. You need to stop listening to them. I have yet to meet one person besides my FIL (who also supported Palin) who believes the ACA should be repealed. Delusional much? Of COURSE you are. Get a life secondcoming. Get some friends, get a job, do SOMETHING besides posting here ALL DAY EVERY DAY. While everyone is enjoying the holiday tomorrow spending time with family and friends, how many new posts will you start? Six? Seven? Nine?

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/3/2012 1:42:14 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Rather than start a second thread... I'll point out to secondcoming here that even though Mitch McConnell plans to take up a repeal effort -- the brunt of his statement is that it's not likely to succeed. More of the point I was making that the GOP is in damage control mode over health care and Romney has called for a "cease fire" since attacking the law hurts him -- because of Romneycare.

cruster	Posted - 7/3/2012 2:15:59 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Conservatives Will Back the Candidate... ... who opposes these socialist health care plans. So we support... uh... the... guy... uh... hmmmmm

orthicon	Posted - 7/3/2012 2:20:42 PM \| show profile \| flag this post true, cruster... we really are on the other side of the looking glass, aren't we?

SPC	Posted - 7/3/2012 2:39:33 PM \| show profile \| flag this post damage control mode ?????? Not so much. Fact is, neither Obama nor Democrats will run on Obamatax. Republicans will run on repeal, and win the senate. Remember those historical gains Republicans made in 2010? Once people see higher taxes, higher health cost, longer waits, and seeing their company stop offering insurance , people will hate Obamacare/tax more. "I have yet to meet one person besides my FIL (who also supported Palin) who believes the ACA should be repealed" Of course in your liberal bubble no ones' opinion is differ than yours.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/3/2012 2:49:04 PM \| show profile \| flag this post >>Once people see higher taxes, higher health cost, longer waits, and seeing their company stop offering insurance , people will hate Obamacare/tax more.<< These myths were put to rest the day of the Supreme Court ruling, when the focus turned away from politics and toward what's in the health plan. The fact that these myths were ever floated in the first place could be making an impression on voters.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/3/2012 3:17:18 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Here's what people are beginning to find out, SPC... At least if they are not in your circle of friends insulated inside their right wing echo chamber: https://www.facebook.com/notes/steve-fitzgerald/what-exactly-is-obamacare-and-what-did-it-change-explained-like-youre-a-5-year-o/10150906130595642 Already in effect: It allows the Food and Drug Administration to approve more generic drugs (making for more competition in the market to drive down prices) It increases the rebates on drugs people get through Medicare (so drugs cost less) It establishes a non-profit group, that the government doesn't directly control, PCORI, to study different kinds of treatments to see what works better and is the best use of money. ( Citation: Page 665, sec. 1181 ) It makes chain restaurants like McDonalds display how many calories are in all of their foods, so people can have an easier time making choices to eat healthy. ( Citation: Page 499, sec. 4205 ) It makes a "high-risk pool" for people with pre-existing conditions. Basically, this is a way to slowly ease into getting rid of "pre-existing conditions" altogether. For now, people who already have health issues that would be considered "pre-existing conditions" can still get insurance, but at different rates than people without them. It renews some old policies, and calls for the appointment of various positions. It creates a new 10% tax on indoor tanning booths. ( Citation: Page 923, sec. 5000B ) It says that health insurance companies can no longer tell customers that they won't get any more coverage because they have hit a "lifetime limit". Basically, if someone has paid for health insurance, that company can't tell that person that he's used that insurance too much throughout his life so they won't cover him any more. They can't do this for lifetime spending, and they're limited in how much they can do this for yearly spending. ( Citation: Page 14, sec. 2711 ) Kids can continue to be covered by their parents' health insurance until they're 26. No more "pre-existing conditions" for kids under the age of 19. Insurers have less ability to change the amount customers have to pay for their plans. People in a "Medicare Gap" get a rebate to make up for the extra money they would otherwise have to spend. Insurers can't just drop customers once they get sick. ( Citation: Page 14, sec. 2712 ) Insurers have to tell customers what they're spending money on. (Instead of just "administrative fee", they have to be more specific). Insurers need to have an appeals process for when they turn down a claim, so customers have some manner of recourse other than a lawsuit when they're turned down. New ways to stop fraud are created. Medicare extends to smaller hospitals. Medicare patients with chronic illnesses must be monitored more thoroughly. Reduces the costs for some companies that handle benefits for the elderly. A new website is made to give people insurance and health information. (I think this is it: http://www.healthcare.gov/ ). A credit program is made that will make it easier for business to invest in new ways to treat illness. A limit is placed on just how much of a percentage of the money an insurer makes can be profit, to make sure they're not price-gouging customers. A limit is placed on what type of insurance accounts can be used to pay for over-the-counter drugs without a prescription. Basically, your insurer isn't paying for the Aspirin you bought for that hangover. Employers need to list the benefits they provided to employees on their tax forms. 8/1/2012 Any health plans sold after this date must provide preventative care (mammograms, colonoscopies, etc.) without requiring any sort of co-pay or charge. 1/1/2013 If you make over $200,000 a year, your taxes go up a tiny bit (0.9%). Edit: To address those who take issue with the word "tiny", a change of 0.9% is relatively tiny. Any look at how taxes have fluctuated over the years will reveal that a change

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/3/2012 3:18:15 PM \| show profile \| flag this post But Wait! There's more! 1/1/2014 This is when a lot of the really big changes happen. No more "pre-existing conditions". At all. People will be charged the same regardless of their medical history. If you can afford insurance but do not get it, you will be charged a fee. This is the "mandate" that people are talking about. Basically, it's a trade-off for the "pre-existing conditions" bit, saying that since insurers now have to cover you regardless of what you have, you can't just wait to buy insurance until you get sick. Otherwise no one would buy insurance until they needed it. You can opt not to get insurance, but you'll have to pay the fee instead, unless of course you're not buying insurance because you just can't afford it. Insurers now can't do annual spending caps. Their customers can get as much health care in a given year as they need. ( Citation: Page 14, sec. 2711 ) Make it so more poor people can get Medicaid by making the low-income cut-off higher. Small businesses get some tax credits for two years. Businesses with over 50 employees must offer health insurance to full-time employees, or pay a penalty. Limits how high of an annual deductible insurers can charge customers. Cut some Medicare spending Place a $2500 limit on tax-free spending on FSAs (accounts for medical spending). Basically, people using these accounts now have to pay taxes on any money over $2500 they put into them. Establish health insurance exchanges and rebates for the lower and middle-class, basically making it so they have an easier time getting affordable medical coverage. Congress and Congressional staff will only be offered the same insurance offered to people in the insurance exchanges, rather than Federal Insurance. Basically, we won't be footing their health care bills any more than any other American citizen. A new tax on pharmaceutical companies. A new tax on the purchase of medical devices. A new tax on insurance companies based on their market share. Basically, the more of the market they control, the more they'll get taxed. The amount you can deduct from your taxes for medical expenses increases. 1/1/2015 Doctors' pay will be determined by the quality of their care, not how many people they treat. Edit: a_real_MD addresses questions regarding this one in far more detail and with far more expertise than I can offer in this post. If you're looking for a more in-depth explanation of this one (as many of you are), I highly recommend you give his post a read. 1/1/2017 If any state can come up with their own plan, one which gives citizens the same level of care at the same price as the PPACA, they can ask the Secretary of Health and Human Resources for permission to do their plan instead of the PPACA. So if they can get the same results without, say, the mandate, they can be allowed to do so. Vermont, for example, has expressed a desire to just go straight to single-payer (in simple terms, everyone is covered, and medical expenses are paid by taxpayers). 2018 All health care plans must now cover preventative care (not just the new ones). A new tax on "Cadillac" health care plans (more expensive plans for rich people who want fancier coverage). 2020 The elimination of the "Medicare gap". That is what Republicans have to run against. And while they're trying to refight an old battle, they will look out of touch on the economy.

beenthere	Posted - 7/3/2012 3:40:35 PM \| show profile \| flag this post aca does nothing to control cost. 2% of the increase of health insurance can be blamed on aca{2011}. experts predict aca will cause a 10% jump in cost in 2014. __ and who exactly is CONTROLLING COST NOW?!?! I was paying out of pocket for a plan that covered my husband and my son (younger than 5 years). It started at $265/mo, the next year it jumped to $304/mo. WTF?? $265 to $304. My husband never even saw a doctor or used the insurance. My son is healthy, well visits, maybe an earache visit. Insurers are doing a BANNER JOB keeping those costs down for consumers. At least we will get some transparency. And a better ability to compare plans. Which will create a better market value for the consumer.

mpdodgson	Posted - 7/3/2012 4:14:25 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Faced with kind of evidence; WHERE are you going to go? Etaoin specifiically pointed out what is GOOD about this law--and how the GOP candidates have to stand up and say--Count me Against. (seoncdoming: "Romney doesn't need to say much about it, yet." REALLY? This is the most important legal decision of the Obama Admintsration and legacy--but "Romney doesn't need to say much about it, yet." Gee--Could it be he can't figure out a way to condemn something he and his party has been for for years?!!? Yea, That'll slow down the condemnation choo choo. "Republicans will run on repeal, and win the senate." Sorry, don't see that happening. They don't even have a full slate of candidates yet. "Remember those historical gains Republicans made in 2010". Yea That was the mid-terms; an historical bad time for the party in the WH..and still the GOP could not take over the Senate. (Sharron Angle and "I'm not a witch O'Donnell") I think the House will stay Reoube, and the Senate will stay Dem. To prove your ignorance SPC; "If Obama does win the election, he will be a lame duck form day one [sic]" Uh yea, ant that's another four years. Can't imagine how your pills will last out that long.

etaoin shrdlu	Posted - 7/3/2012 4:24:42 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Americans are tired of the deadlock... That's another reason why the plurality or majority of Americans (depending on which poll you read this week) say they want to move on from health care. The GOP continuing to pick at it will only anger independents who are now focused on the future (that leftist, socialist, communist part of time conservatives fear!) and want to see cooperation. If the GOP wants to run it's Congressional campaigns on "Two or Four More Years of Gridlock!" they are going to be in for a rude awakening.

orthicon	Posted - 7/3/2012 5:47:19 PM \| show profile \| flag this post beenthere..i did not realize you are.. of the feminine persuasion.. i'll try to be more chivalrous in future..

cruster	Posted - 7/3/2012 5:49:42 PM \| show profile \| flag this post Good One Kinky Con By misspelling words like true and believer as troo and beleever, you do something stupid that makes liberals look stupid. Or shood I sae stoopud? Ha ha ha! Look, I did it too!! Keep posting stoopid things kinky con. You are a troo hearoe.

Grateful Deadline	Posted - 7/3/2012 6:36:00 PM \| show profile \| flag this post $265 to $304. My husband never even saw a doctor or used the insurance. My son is healthy, well visits, maybe an earache visit. Insurers are doing a BANNER JOB keeping those costs down for consumers. Same here. Mine has gone to $459 from $218 in five years for one person. The one good thing is, since it rose so much, I'm making sure to get wellness checks ($50 copay) in order to get something out of that $5,500 a year.

cruster	Posted - 7/3/2012 7:01:36 PM \| show profile \| flag this post So True Kinky Con Whoever this guy is, you have certainly told him. Because when it comes to failed TV newsreaders, no one knows more than you. He must be stoopud. Ha ha ha! I did it again!!!