Posted - 10/4/2012 5:13:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yeah, there's a lot about the debate to talk about. And a lot of stuff more important.
But Romney's tear down of Seseme Street cuts to to the core.
Here's a nonprofit that's done more for early child education in America than any other project, and generated goodwill, joy respect, and imitation around the world.
And the GOP nom wants to kill it.
Does it work? Yes.
Is it cost effective? Yes.
What's the reason?
Ideology. Hard uncompromising partisanship.
Sure It's a small thing.
It's about a big divide in values.
Business before family. Profits over education.
Or Maybe it's because even The Count can figure the Romney / Ryan plan doesn't add up....
Posted - 10/4/2012 5:47:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
One, Romney didn't say he wanted to end PBS, Big Bird, etal. He said he would end federal funding because we need to start cutting non-critical expenditures...for the good of the country. By the way, according to Wikipedia, federal funding constitutes about 2% of the NPR budget, from which PBS is one recipient.
Love how our media jumps on this with 'Romney wants to kill Big Bird' headlines. Their guy didn't do well last night, so they have to spin things as negatively for Romney as they can.
Posted - 10/4/2012 6:26:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
'cred, you'll discover
that everything this cretin says is distorted and/or exaggerated. Very few of the left wingers even respond to the bullsh*t. He/she is neither liked nor respected on here.
Posted - 10/4/2012 7:13:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
Commie Birds Must Die
It's clear that Sesame Street, much like fluoridated water and fake moon landings, is designed to spread communism.
We should make a huge deal out of this from our dark dens.
Posted - 10/4/2012 8:48:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
Middle Road here...
newscred?? cruise is right. (Good Lawdy, that's like three times in two days I've agreed with my less than favorite people here) Even though cdn may spout 'liberal garbage'--does not mean we libruls approve of his/her style.
But just on the subject of this "PBS Funding" cut...Can't we all agree this is 'talking point' bullshit?? Seriously, less than 1/100th of a percent of a Federal Budget worth upwards of $3.5 trillion?? That's going to help balance the budget???? Of course not, but it's an awesome debate moment.
"Love how our media jumps on this with 'Romney wants to kill Big Bird' headlines" Well, yea, because it's stupid.
"Their guy didn't do well last night,". Really hate to remind you of this, but THEIR guy happens to be your President (of all of us) as well. "so they have to spin things as negatively for Romney as they can."
Aren't you reading the other posts?? Obama supporters/libs/dems/etc have already conceded Romney 'won' the debate...it's how the president comes back in the next matchup that counts. AND how much the 'fact-checking' of Romneys lies sink through.
Posted - 10/4/2012 11:13:51 PM | show profile | flag this post
A friend o' mine put it well
"It was the only cut he promised all night. He said he wasn't going to cut taxes for the rich. He said he wasn't going to cut regulations. He said he wasn't going to cut Social Security or Medicaid. The only thing Romney wants to get rid of is Big Bird and Jim Lehrer (unfortunately for Jim and his performance last night no one is talking about saving his job)."
Posted - 10/4/2012 11:35:32 PM | show profile | flag this post
beg to differ
Yes, he holds the office of president, an office I have always respected. But I do not respect this man, who seems to be intentionally driving the country over the economic and social cliff. So addressing him as "their guy", to me, is appropriate.
Posted - 10/5/2012 5:39:19 AM | show profile | flag this post
Like I said, it not a big thing...
... but it speaks volumes about values and philosophies.
He won't touch corporate entitlements, the trillions spent on breaks and graft to already profitable businesses. And he continues to oppose tax reform for high income individuals ... close loopholes that increase the burden on the middle an working class.
I guess those are essential.
PBS isn't. Clearly. I doubt they really need the cash, what with the pledge drives and all.
But, by that measure, neither is the Parks Service. Maybe Yosemite and the State of Liberty can be privatized.
How about armed forces bands and honour guards? And the service academy football teams? non-essential.
NASA? waste of cash. kill it.
All funding to third party heath organizations ... Red Cross, alzheimers association, march of dimes, breast cancer... they can fund themselves.
Of course, this is the candidate the "saved" the 2002 Olympics by lobbying for record $342 million government handout, and making deals that benefitted his corporate friends.
will Romney cut funding for the US Olympic Association and federal support for athletes? non-essential.
Y'all accuse my of being obnoxious, but these are real questions.
The GOP, and Romney / Ryan's, philosophy is that no good comes of government.
Its only role is to support and promote commerce and business, (only regulate it when there is no other option), enforce rule of law through courts, and protect the nation's border and public security (Armed forces, police, Fire .. when there is not a private, for-profit, option).
Everything else is up for sale.
Health Care? the market will solve it.
Infrastructure? the market will solve it.
Education? The market will solve it.
Thats not obnoxious or hateful exaggeration. Its not even criticism.
That is the core political belief.
Anyone on the right here seriously disagree?
IMHO, thats nothing more than the WalMart-ization of Government.
Sure, you may get a bit of tax savings after the thousand cuts to services (after business get big breaks), but it comes at a cost beyond dollars and cents.
It may not be an attack, but it sure will have an impact on America's communities, particularly those that need community most.
If America's highest calling, its dream, is individuals seeking and maximizing profit .. Romney's your guy. He embodies it.
he'll cut your services and taxes.
But he'll never put a man on the moon, or broker a peace deal.
He breaks things up. He doesn't build it.
From my view, (yeah as a foreigner) America used to be better than that.
Better: like a big yellow bird teaching kids to count and care.
Posted - 10/5/2012 7:55:54 AM | show profile | flag this post
meanwhile, in a non-yellow bird world, obama wants to make sure everyone is getting a fair share- and the key to a strong middle class- is to outsource more jobs.
maybe we need big bird after all.
Posted - 10/5/2012 8:43:11 AM | show profile | flag this post
But this is always the right wing solution...
to government spending: target something emotional , not something that will really make a difference in government spending.
Public broadcasting constitutes 1/100th of 1% of federal spending. Most of that is in the form of grants to help state and university run public stations purchase programming.
It makes the illiterati in the red states happy that we'll get rid of Sesame Street to make more room for Honey Boo Boo on their satellite TVs, but it won't balance the budget.
More revenue will.
In the meantime, remember this: Romney targeted Big Bird. Obama targeted Osama bin Laden.
Posted - 10/5/2012 9:22:31 AM | show profile | flag this post
Romney is the one outsourcing.
That is Romney's record of business at Bain. Profit, reducing labour costs, by moving well paying middle class manufacturing jobs overseas. He did it again and again.
There no apologies for that.
Why? it is good for business, and that is his priority.
Profit. Not people. His words: "I like to fire people"
He's also on the record for opposing the auto bailout, which saved whole communities and a major industry, that's now attracting foreign automakers to set up shop in north america and hire workers.
Even W. had the wisdom and foresight to back that.
And while Romney says he's against bailing out business, his actions are louder: a record of lobbying for taxpayer handouts for the 2012 olypmics, for all sorts of projects as Mass. governor, and, of course, in his own private sector deals at Bain ($44 million for GST steel, $10 FDIC for Bank of New England, etc)
Seriously: where does this guy stand?
He says one thing, does another, then changes his mind.
He dissed his own Mass health care reform in primaries, now he says its the best in the country; slams "Obama care", now he wants to keep part.
Behind closed doors for his millionair fundraisers, he insults 47% of Americans, in no uncertain terms. Now he tells Fox: oops, just kidding. Sorry.
He says he'll cut government but won't say what.
He says he'll get budgets in order but wont say how.
Maybe Romney should watch Seseme Street: simple math is a start. He could also use a lesson in honesty.
Posted - 10/5/2012 10:16:51 AM | show profile | flag this post
It's why I could never EVER vote for Romney. Ever. He can't ever tell one story straight.
Lies, lies, back pedal, lies, flip flop, more lies, nudge nudge wink wink. Did I say that? Oh I did, but I didn't mean it. Wait, I did. But only sorta. Just trust me on it, I'll handle the details, you do't need to know about them. Oh I never said that. You have me on record? Oh, I did say it, but it was misinterpreted. I really meant to say something else.
Does this guy stand for anything but dollar signs?
Posted - 10/5/2012 11:02:00 AM | show profile | flag this post
Over 200 channels
On my current TV system. Including several educational channels. Funny how all of those seem to survive without any government funding.
Did any of you know the government is broke? Not just a little but seriously in the red? To the tune of several trillion dollars? So much in debt our credit rating was lowered? Just wondering if you guys were aware of this.
Posted - 10/5/2012 11:28:37 AM | show profile | flag this post
And none of them...
providing the kind of quality PBS provides.
History and Discovery Channels started out as PBS-lite -- and have turned into dumping grounds for reality crap.
PBS could go commercial today -- and it wouldn't do anything to balance the budget.
Return to the Clinton tax policies, give us surpluses and economic growth. And we can still afford the things that make us a great nation.
Go with Romney -- and we get a $5-TRILLION deficit and he kills Big Bird.
Posted - 10/5/2012 12:09:43 PM | show profile | flag this post
Or TLC formerly known as The Learning Channel. What GARBAGE, utter GARBAGE.
PBS has quality kid shows, it actually teaches children.
NickJr recently killed it's Moose and Zee segments (educational vignettes for preschoolers with ZERO ties to advertising) in favor of advertising for the rest of its shows.
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Posted - 10/5/2012 12:30:56 PM | show profile | flag this post
I don't have 200 channels blackedtaped
Could you clue me in on the educational channels you have?
I guess the History Channel does have educational programs like Swamp People.
And then there's BRAVO (originally a performing arts, drama and indie film channel) which now gives us programming focusing on different cultures with the Housewives series.
The Arts & Entertainment (A&E) Channel has informative shows like Storage Wars and Hoarders.
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Posted - 10/5/2012 12:33:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
Of course Mitt Romney
wants to fire Big Bird. Remember, Mitt LIKES to fire people and apparently birds, too.
Posted - 10/5/2012 12:39:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Return to the Clinton tax policies, give us surpluses and economic growth"
not in 2013- and beyond.
"It's why I could never EVER vote for Romney."
yet you will vote for obama, and pay no attention to his
"Lies, lies, back pedal, lies, flip flop, more lies, nudge nudge wink wink."
why don't you tell the truth?
Posted - 10/5/2012 12:45:00 PM | show profile | flag this post
Not one word out of Romney's mouth has been true. Not one.
I don't know that Obama can make our country better in the long run. He has an uphill battle, and has done some of what he promised. Time will tell if he gets another chance.
HOWEVER: I do know that Romney WILL MAKE IT WORSE. He fully intends to kill the middle class.
What's so hard to understand?
Posted - 10/5/2012 1:07:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
The point is not
whether or not PBS programming is a quality product or not--it is.
And it's not whether or not it's worthy of Government funding--it's not. In my opinion. I'm sorry to go against my fellow lib/dems on this one, but in this day and age I can find shows identical to PBS ones on cable. Years ago, funding PBS made sense. That ime has passed.
The real point here (again, in my opinion) is that it is ridiculous for Mitt to even mention that as a way to balance the budget. It's just silly.
A $5 trillion tax break, another trillion or so for the Pentagon...but one of the many ways things will balnce out is by cutting this 1/100th of a percent of the Federal Budget.
the numbers add up. Trust me.
Posted - 10/5/2012 1:16:52 PM | show profile | flag this post
you want us to trust you- yet you lie about $5 trillion tax breaks. hell, even cnn and wapo has debunked that myth.
"Not one word out of Romney's mouth has been true. Not one."
so why would you vote for someone who agrees with romney on some issues- like obama? if obama agrees with romney's lies........
i jest..... you would have more cred if you admit you love obama- and support him no matter what.
Posted - 10/5/2012 2:15:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
no one has debunked the "myth" because it's not a myth:
"But here's the problem for the Romney campaign: We know the math how you get to just about $5 trillion in tax cuts over 10 years. It starts with reducing tax rates across the board by 20%, eliminating the Alternative Minimum Tax and erasing the federal estate tax. Together, that comes to $450-$480 billion by 2015. You do that over 10 years (standard budget estimations), and you get about $5 trillion."
Posted - 10/5/2012 2:38:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
i jest..... you would have more cred if you admit you love obama- and support him no matter what.
What are we in high school?
"You LOOOOVE him, you know you LOOOOOVE him."
Grow up already. Like I need your approval ... now THAT'S funny.
Posted - 10/5/2012 4:57:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
You can't, mpdodgson
...find shows identical to PBS on the other channels. For one, on PBS they're over-the-air, and other than the $1 a year it costs you as a taxpayer, they're free. Those copycat channels are on cable, so they're not free.
Further, they're commercial channels. That means every 7 minutes or so there's a commercial. People yelling at you to buy things they're selling. That's NOT the same as PBS.
Further, at most PBS stations of any size, they've done historical documentaries of their locality or region. This is something the cable look-alikes don't do, and the local affiliates don't do either. That means that local history--local identity--is captured for all time, and it never would be without the PBS station.
Local PBS stations of larger markets also have Education Departments, which go all around the community pushing reading, pushing teachers, conducting workshops so they'll know how to use technologies, holding workshops for caregivers so they'll read to the kids who are in their responsibility. No PBS wanna-be cable network does that.
The copycat channels have kids programs, but they're not developed or produced by childhood learning experts, like they are at PBS. Further, there are commercials in those shows every few minutes geared to making those kids want to make you to buy them things they don't have, don't need, and really oughtn't consume. That is VERY un-PBSlike.
And finally, the origins of PBS programs is different. Here's a list of programs you'll never ever EVER seen on PBS:
Honey Boo Boo
Ice Road Truckers
And many, many, many more, which are the grist of those alleged PBS-like networks. They're not the same, and less so the more you compare them.
You sure don't have to believe in funding public broadcasting to understand that there is a world of difference between those entities.
Posted - 10/5/2012 5:04:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
And can we stop with the I hijacked my fertility to pop out a hundred kids to exploit in a tv show genre?
There is a HUGE difference between reality programming and documentaries.
Can't remember the last time I saw a documentary/educational programming on a cable channel, aside from animal planet and wormhole.