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Rubio's thirst for power.
Posted - 2/13/2013 7:12:43 AM | show profile | flag this post
The memes have spoken:
bwahahahahahahaha! seems Time's "Republican Saviour" ain't that ready for prime time, much less the presidency.
the SNL writers and Bobby Jindal thank you in advance...
Posted - 2/13/2013 11:21:08 AM | show profile | flag this post
Shoulda just wrapped up.
The response to the SOTU has got to be the worst job in Washington.
Posted - 2/13/2013 11:47:40 AM | show profile | flag this post
Of course ...
Hard to respond when you don't know the content of the SOTU.
The usual canned, tried and true, rhetoric (less givens, taxes, blah blah) is expected instead of detail.
But you can win on presentation; forcefulness of the argument, charisma. Professionalism.
Rubio, and GOP, simply failed. jindal was better. Even Thompson was.
I'm sure Rubio will learn a lot in the long primary race, if he chooses to run ( yeah, sure, he's still thinking) ...
But, seriously, just imagine him face to face with Hillary in a debate.
Posted - 2/13/2013 12:15:07 PM | show profile | flag this post
cdn.. he knew the content of the SOTU..
part of the deal is that the opposition gets an advance text of the SOTU..
Posted - 2/13/2013 12:37:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
It IS a bad job to have to do
Especially appearing after Obama. It could drive a man to drink.
The Bottled Water Association though, does give Rubio very high marks.
Posted - 2/13/2013 1:06:20 PM | show profile | flag this post
He talks about how Medicare has helped his parents and how he went to school on student loans...then he talks about how big government is bad and must be done away with. He actually had the balls to say the economic meltdown was caused by government policy. Is he kidding? The government didn't do enough to stop the crooked banks so it is their fault. This guy is going nowhere. Plus he turned around and voted against the Violence Against Women bill. That won't hold up well in an election. Just one more repub biting the dust. Next!
Posted - 2/13/2013 4:43:32 PM | show profile | flag this post
"This is why Beyonce didn't do it live". Look, I don't care that the guy got thirsty, but going on several talk shows this morning to explain "It’s been a long day at work"...Good Grief. What does he think POTUS was doing all day? Napping??
My problem with Rubio is that HE DID have a copy of the SOTU--and couldn't counter it with anything except an old Romney campaign speech. The president believes "our free enterprise economy...is the cause of our problems" Really?? Obama said that?? "America is on the cusp of having a government-run economy." Really?? "When we point out that no matter how many job-killing laws we pass, our government can’t control the weather" Cute. It's Palin-like word salad, but it's cute.
"And tonight, he even criticized us for refusing to raise taxes to delay military cuts — cuts that were his idea in the first place." No; it's called a Deal you voted for. "The same old rhetorical tricks and tropes were paired with the same old policies. Despite being the frontman for the GOP on immigration reform, he barely mentioned the issue, and when he did, he emphasized border security. He called for more energy exploration on federal lands and tax reform. He wants less debt and less spending, but the only actual spending cuts he mentioned were the sequester’s cuts to defense — and he opposed those." (WaPo)
We all agree this is a tough gig. But he didn't say anything we didn't hear from Romney/Ryan BEFORE they lost. Add to all that Rubios own record (Against the Violence Against Women Act, against repealing DADT, celebrating his family's history of dependence on government social programs like student loans and Medicare, while articulating a policy agenda that guts government social programs like student loans and Medicare....and still echoing the wingnut line 'Government caused the Housing Crisis etc etc)
Sorry. The guy is not yet ready for prime time. Rubio is “The Best Communicator Since Ronald Reagan” according to, wait for it, Karl Rove. Didn't see that last night.
Posted - 2/13/2013 4:47:48 PM | show profile | flag this post
I think the Response to the State of the Union has run it's course.
Even with the advance copy -- it's only a few hours at most to write a response -- and a President has weeks.
They always come across as week and do more harm than good for the opposition party.
Posted - 2/13/2013 6:30:02 PM | show profile | flag this post
Orth ... I did not know that.
I always assumed, given the response, that they didn't get an advance copy.
Frankly I'm shocked. There's no direct or coherent rebuttal to the content or detail.
Which pretty much confirms both parties are talking from wholly different pages, even when they have then chance and option and opportunity.
So much for any semblance of bipartisanship or common ground.
Posted - 2/13/2013 7:49:27 PM | show profile | flag this post
Oh ye of little faith
Keep convincing each other that Rubio was awful, weak, disastrous... the worst responder in the history of rebuttals.
The rest of us were hearing his message.
2016 should be a great race.
Posted - 2/14/2013 8:59:03 AM | show profile | flag this post
while it is easier for troooo beleevers to focus on a human drinking water than dear leader's regurgitation of failed polices- most of us see rubio drinking water has non-issue.
Posted - 2/14/2013 9:09:18 AM | show profile | flag this post
what liberal bias in the media?
Posted - 2/14/2013 9:20:44 AM | show profile | flag this post
has been almost universally panned.
It's an indication of the GOP's unwillingness to realistically respond to the defeat at the polls in 2012.
The numbers show that Americans are not drawn to the GOP platform -- anti-choice, anti-marriage equality, anti-gender equality, anti-immigration, anti-minority, anti-middle class, anti-tax, anti-debt payment.
They are a party that's against everything and for nothing.
They have an incredible opportunity to refine their platform to more accurately reflect the U.S. of today -- but they refuse to.
They instead think they can fine tune their "message" -- they keep saying this over and over in every party meeting and retreat.
But it's still the same, core principles that Americans have rejected and continue to reject.
Rubio's speech appealed to hard core Republicans because it is what THEY want to hear. But then, Romney's speeches appealed to hard core Republicans because it was that THEY wanted to hear.
The great majority of Americans do not agree with those core principles.
Posted - 2/14/2013 9:24:20 AM | show profile | flag this post
IS a non-issue.
What are issues is Rubio voting against repealing DADT. And continuing to be a Global Warming Denier. And joining 21 other Repubs in voting against Violence Against Women Act (when all women and all Dems voted for it). There are reasons why Romney lost both the womens vote (by 11 points) and the Gay vote and the Latino vote, etc etc. Rubio did nothing but rehash old Romney/Ryan talking points. If it didn't work last time, what makes anyone think it will work three years from now??
Rubio going after Obama for defending his belief in big government, in spite of the president saying, “It is not a bigger government we need”?? Lying won't help. Being against a minimum wage of a measly $9--Because claiming you think people should MORE than that...Huh? That kind of double-talk is great for speeches--just not going to fly in a presidential campaign.
Rubio is great VP material, I'll admit that. But his voting record is going to come back to kill him if he decides to go for the top spot.
Add to all that that the GOP is still so fractured that they needed TWO responses to the SOTU...Does not bode well for the Party.
Posted - 2/14/2013 10:19:42 AM | show profile | flag this post
"They have an incredible opportunity
to refine their platform"
If anyone thinks Democrats are honestly trying to help Republicans win the next election, they're nuts.
Posted - 2/14/2013 12:21:57 PM | show profile | flag this post
Think you're missing the point
It's not that "Democrats are honestly trying to help Republicans win"...it's that it's fascinating that with their current thinking, the Republicans actually believe they are mainstream. They're not.
When all the polls show 60% or above of Americans say they are FOR "this" or "that"--Please stop saying you voted against IT because you're listening to the public. That just doesn't make sense. The public clearly chose Obama and his message over Romney and his. Stop deluding yourselves that it was somehow an accounting error.
The issues etaoin pointed out ("anti-choice, anti-marriage equality, anti-gender equality, anti-immigration, anti-minority, anti-middle class, anti-tax, anti-debt payment") Being the Party of NO clearly has not worked. And continuing it with the likes of Rand Paul and Marco Rubio?? This is appealing to your small and shrinking base--it's not governing--not even an attempt at it.
And when you say "Republicans"?? Which ones? The ones elected as Republicans that don't even listen to their own Speaker?? When the #2 guy doesn't vote along with #1, and you need a Republican Response to the Republican Response to the SOTU??
Let me be clear. It's not just party affiliation--it's what you stand for and the message. Yes, absolutely, hypothetically, I can see me voting for Rubio (for anything) against a dozen or so whack job Dems. Lesser of two evils and all that.
But denying reality--by insulting the president and accusing him of not being in step with the country's needs and wishes--that just doesn't make sense.
Posted - 2/14/2013 12:42:01 PM | show profile | flag this post
"But denying reality"
is what you are doing by claiming obama isn't the big government, tax and spend liberal that he is.
krauthammer talks about obama's rhetoric meeting reality.
most of us live in reality- troo beleevers are living in dear leader's fantasy world.
let us believe democrats when they tell us the republican platform and brand is damaged.
so why do so many democrats who run for local, state, and federal office run and sound like republicans?
watch out for this phenomenon in 2014.
Posted - 2/14/2013 12:52:38 PM | show profile | flag this post
Yep, con -- everybody's stupid except you.
Posted - 2/14/2013 2:24:04 PM | show profile | flag this post
anyone who thinks krauthammer is reality..
needs a serious check on their own relationship to reality..
Posted - 2/14/2013 3:05:23 PM | show profile | flag this post
Democrats are NOT offering to help the GOP get out of the mess they've gotten themselves into.
I'm just stating the facts.
It's not the GOP's "message" -- it's the GOP's "platform" that is killing their chances for the future.
If the party is hell bent on appealling to an ever diminishing segment of Americans -- it's good news for the Democratic Party.
Posted - 2/14/2013 6:16:18 PM | show profile | flag this post
all that being said...most of which i agree with..
can we all just drop the water-bottle crap?..
talk about much ado over absolutely nothing at all..
i'd hope every thinking democrat would be embarrassed as hell that their people are making so much over this..
personally, i thought it was hilarious..but never gave it another thought..
Posted - 2/14/2013 6:39:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
Ditto. I thought it was kind of naive and cute.
Posted - 2/15/2013 8:54:15 AM | show profile | flag this post
"everybody's stupid except you."
i'm sure most would want you to speak for yourself.
"can we all just drop the water-bottle crap?.."
ask that of the liberal media. msnbc has ran the clip over 160 times.