SENATE DEMOCRATS OK "GOVT SHUTDOWN"

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cruiser Posted - 9/30/2013 3:42:05 PM | show profile | flag this post

Rejecting the house compromise and offering no compromise themselves, senate Democrats effectively killed the bill sent over from the house, clearing the way for the continuing resolution...under which the federal government has been operating...to expire.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/30/shutdown-showdown-senate-kills-house-spending-bill/

orthicon Posted - 9/30/2013 3:59:12 PM | show profile | flag this post

why should the senate "compromise" on a law..

and the ACA IS the LAW now..just to appease the tea party maniacs?

the answer is..they shouldn't..

it's always fun to watch a major political party.. (which the republicans USED to be) rush to commit ritual suicide..

cruiser Posted - 9/30/2013 4:56:02 PM | show profile | flag this post

"why should the senate 'compromise' on a law"

Obama has already cynically (and illegally) granted waivers from the law to his large campaign donors and political allies. It's only fair that he equitably treat the rest of the American public and give them waivers as well.

orthicon Posted - 9/30/2013 5:58:35 PM | show profile | flag this post

you seem to miss the fact that ACA is the law..

approved by both houses of congress, signed by the president, and upheld by the supreme court..

it shouldn't even be the topic of debate at all..the ACA is, and should be, totally independent of the CR debate here..

instead, the rightwingnuts pressure Boehner (who won't be speaker much longer anyway) to throw up false issues related to a law that's not open to debate at all..

hope you remember all this when the democrats take back the house next year after the republican party finishes committing hara-kiri..or seppuku, if you prefer..

Quinntessential Posted - 9/30/2013 7:23:48 PM | show profile | flag this post

The ACA is law that President Obama keeps delaying, granting waivers and exceptions to please his donors.

How long will it be before President Obama grants labor unions exceptions?

The ACA will be at 60% disapproval by then. Cutie animals and NBC isn't going to help the popularity of the ACA .

Democrats take back the house? Neither Public Policy Polling or Nate Silverman is predicting that.

mpdodgson Posted - 9/30/2013 8:28:17 PM | show profile | flag this post

Since when does a law have to be popular

in order to be obeyed?

Not only did the US Congress pass the ACA; and not only did the president sign it into law, the Supreme Court ruled on it. Over a year ago.

Ask cruise about that. He's an expert on the Court donchaknow. He clearly hates Roe V Wade--but--since the Court settled the issue; it's now "on the entire country for all time by virtually embedding it in the Constitution" as he put it.

So, following that logic, ObamaCare is virtually embedded in the Constitution. Therefore it should NOT be used as a bargaining chip in budget negotiations should it?

Anyone who doesn't realize the GOP is going to be blamed for this debacle is delusional.



cruiser Posted - 9/30/2013 9:13:41 PM | show profile | flag this post

"you seem to miss the fact that ACA is the law"

I didn't miss that at all...but Obama seems to have missed it. He is granting piecemeal waivers to large campaign donors (big businesses) and political allies (labor unions) in contravention of the requirements of the law.

In order to provide equal protection under the law, as required by the 14th Amendment, Obama needs to waive the personal mandate so that every American has the equal opportunity to delay enrollment in Obamacare.

cruiser Posted - 9/30/2013 9:56:19 PM | show profile | flag this post

And I neglected to add

that congress and some agencies of the federal government have been granted waivers from the requirements of Obamacare.

This is, arguably, the most cynical aspect of the entire issue...our lawmakers cannot be bothered to subscribe themselves to the SAME rigors they imposed on the rest of the country.

orthicon Posted - 9/30/2013 10:46:51 PM | show profile | flag this post

obama needs to do..nothing..

there is no need to "negotiate" anything about settled law..and ACA IS the law..that ship has sailed, cruiztwit..

your farrightwingnut pals got themselves into this mess..and dragged sensible republicans along with them..

now they're stuck with campaign promises they cannot fulfill..(we've talked about this before)..unfulfilled promises that might cost them dearly at the polls in 2014..

all because they picked the wrong target..and the wrong strategy managed by the wrong people..ritual suicide..

actually, it's kinda funny to watch..in a gruesome sort of way..

Quinntessential Posted - 9/30/2013 11:17:05 PM | show profile | flag this post

Have you talked about the unfulfilled promises of the ACA, orthicon?


Money. Power. Influence. Will get you waivers and exemptions from President Obama.

Americans know this is about fairness. This is about having a choice, like President Obama's rich powerful friends.

The proverbial straw will come when President Obama exempts unions from the ACA.

cruiser Posted - 9/30/2013 11:36:27 PM | show profile | flag this post

For someone who claims to be a lawyer

you sure are ignorant of the law.

orthicon Posted - 10/1/2013 2:06:33 PM | show profile | flag this post

you don't have to be "knowledgeable" about the law to know..

that all this is the republicans trying to scramble to save some sort of face politically, having seen their best-laid plans blow up in their face..

they are NOT going to win any of their battles here..the senate is exactly right in doing what it's doing..letting the tea party maniacs scuttle their deal, and their party, in the eyes of the public..

let Jason chaffetz and his buddies hang out there in the breeze..they are the cause of all this.. and they'll have to explain to the voters that elected them why they do anything they told voters they would do if elected..i don't foresee long political careers for many of them..few people like fanaticism and fanatics..

orthicon Posted - 10/1/2013 2:08:06 PM | show profile | flag this post

minor correcion..

"..explain to the voters why they COULDN'T do anything they promised.."

blackedtaped Posted - 10/1/2013 2:44:23 PM | show profile | flag this post

Actually orthicon, the explanation is really simple

They promised to do everything possible to repeal and/or stop Obamacare. Seems to me they have, the only reason they have failed is the democrats in the Senate along with the President. It will not be hard to sell that to supporters back home.
What may be harder is for Senate Democrats to explain why they took Sunday off while the government was facing a shutdown. Or their absolute refusal to even discuss some type of compromise. The elections next year will be real interesting especially considering many of those who rode the Obama wagon into the Senate are now facing re-election.

orthicon Posted - 10/1/2013 5:02:24 PM | show profile | flag this post

sorry, blacked.. it looks to me as though they drastically..

overplayed their hand..had a lot more public support than they actually did..

the republicans in general, and the tea party in particular, come out of this smelling like..defeat..they're now scrambling to get something.. anything.. out of a confrontation they should never have started in the first place..they'd have been much better off participating in the actual legislative process, and making their stands there..but they didn't..

they are attacking a law.. and be clear..a LAW..they don't like..but they don't have any ammunition left in the magazine..

i'm all for idealism..but it should not stand in the way of doing the jobs we sent them there to do..it has, and it's gonna cost them big time come 2014..

it's just tv folks Posted - 10/1/2013 6:17:13 PM | show profile | flag this post

A CLEAN continuing resolution would have passed in the House if Speaker Boner er Boehner allowed the CR on the floor for a vote. There were enough Republicans along with Democrats to pass the bill. But oh no, the Tea Baggers have to have their way.

Karen Penner Posted - 10/1/2013 7:39:55 PM | show profile | flag this post

"Compromise" for what? To allow Tea Party Republicans to get a piece of their way?

Because the electorate, as it turns out, overwhelmingly *approves* of Obamacare, though not under the name "Obamacare." See this story about a survey that asked voters about Obamacare, then broke out the elements of it and asked about those:

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-obamacare-20131001,0,4909537.story



orthicon Posted - 10/1/2013 8:28:17 PM | show profile | flag this post

karen.. i'm sure you know by now..

logic and reason have no place with that rightwingnut crew..

neither word is anywhere in their lexicon..

Quinntessential Posted - 10/1/2013 9:15:21 PM | show profile | flag this post

Grateful, I mean Karen,

A opinion piece written by someone with a dubious history.

A survey by a foundation that supports the Affordable Care Act.

Is this the best you can do? Did you have any idea what you were linking to?

Karen Penner Posted - 10/1/2013 9:52:45 PM | show profile | flag this post

Quit trying to pick a fight by making false statements.

The Kaiser Family Foundation is non-partisan. Hiltzik is a Pulitzer winner.

What's your problem, troll?

cruiser Posted - 10/1/2013 10:28:17 PM | show profile | flag this post

You're such a pi** poor "lawyer" that you don't even know

what Obama, Reid, et al, are trying to protect is NOT the Affordable Care Act. That was passed by the congress, signed by the president and held to be constitutional by the Supreme Court.

However, what Obama, Reid and others are trying to protect now has been unilaterally...and unlawfully...changed.

I say unlawfully because the Supreme Court ruled AGAINST both Clinton and Nixon when they tried similar actions.

A law MUST BE UPHELD AND ENFORCED AS WRITTEN. There is no statutory authority for a president to unilaterally change a law...or parts of a law.

Quinntessential Posted - 10/1/2013 10:29:47 PM | show profile | flag this post

Now,now, little one. Instead of getting angry, use this has a learning experience. Havighurst would call this a teachable moment.

Look closer at Hiltzik. Here's a hint. Russia. Sockpuppets.

The Kaiser Foundation non-partisan? Look closer at Kaiser's political ties. There are millions of reasons for Kaiser to sell the ACA.

Don't give up. Keep looking.











Karen Penner Posted - 10/2/2013 10:20:19 AM | show profile | flag this post

Here's why you're a troll, Mr. Slob Name:

-- You didn't bother looking up the poll questions in order to judge their non-bias for yourself.

-- You crap on Hiltzik for reporting on the poll.

-- You provide no links to support your shitty claims (because none exist).

You're a troll, plain and simple. Your screen name showed up here for no good. Take your garbage and crawl back under your rock. Or get a job and contribute something to society.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 10/2/2013 10:32:03 AM | show profile | flag this post

*** There are millions of reasons for Kaiser to sell the ACA. ***

And yet -- and yet -- the Kaiser Family Foundation *doesn't* support the ACA one way or another, and neither did its poll.

Very mysterious indeed!

How do you explain this, guy who chose a flabby-lifeguard/female-crotch screen name?

Ah, now I see it! "Kaiser develops and helps run public health information campaigns in the U.S. and around the world focusing on HIV/AIDS, with an emphasis on reaching young people. Through direct partnerships with major media companies, these multi-platform communications reach tens of millions of people annually. Current partners in the U.S. include MTV, BET, Univision, and Fox. (GOT THAT, TROLL? FOX!!)

"Kaiser also plays a role in the Black AIDS Media Partnership, a partnership among major U.S. media companies to address the AIDS crisis facing Black Americans.

"As the Secretariat to the Global Media AIDS Initiative (GMAI), Kaiser has helped launch five broadcast media initiatives around the world in Africa, Asia, Russia, Latin America and the Caribbean. The GMAI involves more than 300 broadcasters working together to respond to the global HIV/AIDS epidemic.[7]

"Kaiser has also maintained a long-running program in South Africa to help South Africans establish a more equitable national health system and build a successful democracy. The program currently focuses on the devastating HIV epidemic in South Africa.[6]

"The foundation is a major supporter of The Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, along with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.[8] In 2007, the foundation began a Web site relating to the health issues in the 2008 U.S. presidential election.[9]"

Yep. Sounds like a *very* dangerous political organization. Education of the public on health issues is a politically liberal sin and it must be stopped!

>:o)



cruiser Posted - 10/2/2013 10:36:54 AM | show profile | flag this post

Grateful Deadline got pissed off at orthicon the misogynist

and is now boycotting MediaBistro. But "Karen Penner," who had been an occasional poster has taken her place as a regular, spouting the same kind of vitriol...with the same kind of phrasing.

Is this one person with two names? You decide.

As a personal aside, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if GD and KP were the same individual. She is an undisciplined, imperious control freak who thinks it is her "duty" to rid MediaBistro of conservatives...especially male conservatives.


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