Sean Hannity's Amazing, Unbelievable Mistake

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VTexan Posted - 10/18/2013 8:02:22 PM | show profile | flag this post

Well, it IS believable because it's on Fox News, but as a journalistic mistake, it's quite nearly unbelievable.

He featured 3 families who had "suffered" under the Affordable Care Act.

“These are the stories that the media refuses to cover,” Hannity interjected.

The author of the accompanying article decided to do what Hannity should have, were he an actual journalist: he fact-checked the guests.

Turns out things were not AT ALL as they were reported on his program. Put another way, one of the families was lying and the other two hadn't even investigated what the ACA would have done to what they were paying for insurance. That comes even as they were claiming to be poster families for the train wreck that the ACA supposedly is.

I complain about Fox News fairly regularly. This is the kind of thing which I find unforgivable.

mpdodgson Posted - 10/18/2013 8:49:44 PM | show profile | flag this post

They're getting slammed pretty hard on this one

I mean it was just so dam easy to fact check....

But then so was their fears about mandatory death panels and Obamacare funds abortions and trillions in costs.

It all reminds me of Batshit Bachmann and her "“One man stood up, he was over 7-feet tall. He was a physician in the community. And he said, ‘I had a little lady in my office and because of Obamacare, I had to call the IRS and I had to get a number to put on a form before I could see her.’....(during one of the GOP Debates);

It's gotten so bad even The president was mocking his favorite Republican lies and quotes about Obamcare, when he called out a gem from Michele Bachmann. Obama said, “I mean these are quotes. I am not making this stuff up. And here’s one more that I’ve heard. I like this one. We have to, and I am quoting here. We have to repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. Now that I have to say that that one was from six months ago. I just want to point out that we still have women. We still have children, and we still have senior citizens.”

As we always say--everyone loves to watch a train wreck. Unfiortunately this is a wreck posing as journalism.

orthicon Posted - 10/18/2013 8:57:04 PM | show profile | flag this post

the unfortunate fact of it all is that there are small..

but noticeable groups of redneck, drooling, mouth-breathing idiots that will believe every word he said just because he's sean Hannity..

no fact check facts needed..

nleer Posted - 10/19/2013 5:31:34 AM | show profile | flag this post

Don't you know by now? Facts are LIBRUL!!!!!

Quinntessential Posted - 10/19/2013 7:33:18 AM | show profile | flag this post

Hannity is a journalist who represents the journalistic integrity of Fox News?

Most people who be surprised to read that.

Does Ed Schultz, Al Sharpton and Rachel Maddow represent the journalistic integrity of MSNBC?

Does Piers Morgan, Anderson Cooper and Nancy Grace represent the journalistic integrity of CNN?

They often mislead or your words "lie" to their viewers.

Vtexan, is this unforgivable? I haven't see you, or anyone on this board, complain about other opinion shows that mislead or lie to their viewers.

Why is that?

Quinntessential Posted - 10/19/2013 7:52:46 AM | show profile | flag this post

Mpdodgson, Obamacare does fund abortions... So simple to fact check. Don't believe me? Fact check.

Who is batshit crazy? The one who constantly brings up conservative women in topics that have nothing to do with them?

Orthicon, who are these groups and what are some of their names? Oh wait, you're just hurling racial slurs at people. Why? Because they don't agree with your liberal viewpoint.

You call yourself a journalist? Behave like one. This is a "media professionals forum".

VTexan Posted - 10/19/2013 11:18:50 AM | show profile | flag this post

On a board for TV Professionals and Journalists

...a guy defends a completely made-up story that's factually 100% incorrect on a network that calls itself a 24-hour news network.

My bullshit meter is pegging, Notch.

cruster Posted - 10/19/2013 1:54:14 PM | show profile | flag this post

This is a "media professionals forum"

Then why are you here Cotch?

Don't you thinkerate they'll find out?

Quinntessential Posted - 10/19/2013 2:33:22 PM | show profile | flag this post

VTexan, i'm not defending Hannity or any opinion show. I'm questioning your motives.

Find out what crusty joe? I'm not hiding who i am or where i've been.

VTexan Posted - 10/19/2013 3:23:50 PM | show profile | flag this post

My motive that message was to give a specific example of why I think Sean Hannity is a shill for stupidity (he's quite talented at that) and how Fox News is not a credible news source.

I think my motives were met quite nicely, thank you.

cruster Posted - 10/19/2013 4:48:25 PM | show profile | flag this post

Crusty Joe, ha ha ha!

That's the sense of humor I remember.

Find out your not in media Cotch. Not anymore anyway.

mpdodgson Posted - 10/19/2013 9:51:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

Since when are commentators...

....not 'guests' on a talk show mind you, but commentators who are given their own show--especially on a network who bills itself as 'fair and balanced', 'we report, you decide'...since when are these people not open to' fact-checking'??

What Hannity did was just plain wrong. And he's not the only Fox host who does it. "Ashley Dionne, a recent guest on Mike Huckabee's show, claimed that her insurance premiums would jump from $75 per month to $319 per month for her family. She proclaimed the act to be the "Unaffordable Care Act" and went even further, claiming her future and that of her children had been 'raped.'

Unfortunately, someone forgot to mention to Ashley that her premiums were offset with subsidies, so she would really pay $223 per YEAR as well as receiving assistance with copayments. Oops."

And oh yea, Crotch? Your " Mpdodgson, Obamacare does fund abortions... So simple to fact check. Don't believe me? Fact check".
If you consider "Obamacare" a 'Federal program' of some sort, you're wrong. It's illegal for a federal program to fund abortions and it's been that way for years. Private insurance companies can, Washington can't. From the ACA itself:

"The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act maintains the status quo on abortion policy and does not shift federal abortion policy in either a pro-life or pro-choice direction. The following provisions will ensure that the bill does nothing to restrict or expand existing abortion law, while ensuring that federal funds cannot be used for abortion coverage or care.

? Health Plans Cannot Be Required to Cover Abortion. Health plans cannot be required to cover abortions as part of its essential health benefits package. Health plans can choose to cover: no abortions, only those abortions allowed by the Hyde amendment (rape, incest and life endangerment), or abortions beyond those allowed by Hyde.

? No Federal Funds for Abortion Coverage or Abortion Care. Tax credits or cost sharing subsidies may not be used for abortions not permitted by Hyde. Private premiums would be segregated from public funds, and only private premiums could pay for abortion services beyond those permitted by Hyde.

? No Federal Funds for Abortion Coverage in the Community Health Insurance Option.

(There's more, but you get the gist)

VTexan Posted - 10/19/2013 11:32:39 PM | show profile | flag this post

Notch is magna cum laude

...from the Sean Hannity School of Fact Checking.

proudliberal Posted - 10/20/2013 9:59:19 AM | show profile | flag this post

Hey notch brain...

Don't lump Maddow in with Hannity...she is an actual journalist who presents her views with statistics, reports and facts to back them up. Hannity talks out of his ass. He called Obama a "socialist who hates America." Yeah, that is real journalism. OK, asshat, back it up. He does things you don't like. Sorry, that doesn't cut it. He panders to the ignorant, fearful base that calls Fox News "news". Don't ever put MSNBC against Fox because that is a false equivalency you can't back up. Hannity, O'Reilly, Cavuto and all their other batshit commentators just bloviate without ever feeling the need to actually prove what they are saying. Remember Steve Douchebag saying that Obama was raised in a Madrassa or E.D. HIll calling the Obamas' fist bump a "terrorist fist jab"? That would never happen on a real news station. BTW, never an apology for any of those gaffes.

orthicon Posted - 10/20/2013 12:54:58 PM | show profile | flag this post

"..racial slurs.."????

where is there a racial angle in ANYTHING I said?..

you're not much good at writing English..

it appears you're also not very good at reading it..

mpdodgson Posted - 10/20/2013 1:33:45 PM | show profile | flag this post

Now this is funny.

Since we're talking about someone not fact-checking Fox. Star Megyn Kelly now has her own prime time show and for some reason decided to book Palin. The video has become a classic--even for Palin. one blogger described it this way:

"Totally unhinged woman goes on Megyn Kelly’s show on Fox, starts rambling incoherently" Kelly asked Palin of her thoughts about President Obama suggesting that the government shutdown has hurt America’s credibility in the world. In her response she managed to string in Benghazi (duh), Syria, the pipeline and so much more but admittedly I’m having difficulty with the entire translation."

She said in part, “…And then locking up pipelines and resources that will result in us being more reliant on foreign imports for energy, and then of course he, having left behind, his administration having left behind our brave men in Benghazi to be murdered, and then of course there’s Syria, where he promised to bomb Syria because in that civil war, Syria was going to bomb Syria, and then we never heard another word again about his threat to bomb in a foreign civil war, and then of course…”

”People who see the way that I and Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and a whole lot of other Americans can see that we are taxed enough already—of course, that’s the acronym for the Tea Party movement—we’re taxed enough already and we believe that the Constitution, that’s the blueprint that leads us towards a more perfect union and will fight very strong for that.”

“I’ve been saying for years that robust, competitive primaries make for a better political system—it makes people work harder and express more articulately what their record is and what their intentions for our country is, so as for the individual races, I’m going to see who the opposition to the sitting, kind of status quo politicians are and we’ll go from there, but Megyn, here’s the deal: the . . . what we’re talkin’ about right now . . . the enemy of America’s economic freedom is this fundamental transformation of America, the enemy of the enemy is my friend—is any common-sense conservative’s friend, so we do have to consider politicians’ record, what it is they intend to do to stop this fundamental transformation and this stripping away of our economic freedom, and those who can’t stand strong to defend our republic, to defend our Constitution, heck yeah, they’ve got to be primaried, otherwise we’re goin’ down.”

HOLY CRAP ON A CRACKER. And some sensible people (like blackedtape for example) thought she should be in the WH??

Make yourself some Jello shots, grab the bong, and enjoy:

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/21/2013 10:05:46 AM | show profile | flag this post

What's sad...

is that Hannity's producers could have spent 10 seconds -- asking one question -- to vet their interview subjects: "Have you actually looked on the exchanges at your options?"

In each case, the folks Hannity interviewed would have saved money for the same coverage.

We're going to be seeing a lot more of this sort of thing in the next year as opposition to Obamacare melts away.

blackedtaped Posted - 10/21/2013 11:42:08 AM | show profile | flag this post

I find this neither "amazing" nor "unbelievable"

Guests on an opinion show not properly vetted. Sorry, but that is not all that amazing to me. And certainly not unbelievable. I imagine Salon's staff works full time checking guests on all the various opinion shows on the cable news channels, I would not think they would target only one show on one network.

cruster Posted - 10/21/2013 11:50:16 AM | show profile | flag this post

So Hannity Can Lie?

I mean if it's just an opinion show, when he tries to convince millions of Americans that Obamacare is ruining their lives, he doesn't need to be honest about it.

All he needs is the opinion that it is ruining people's lives.

Who needs facts?

blackedtaped Posted - 10/21/2013 12:31:10 PM | show profile | flag this post

Hannity can do pretty much whatever he wants...

And so can most every other opinion show host. The good news is that there are organizations like "Salon" dedicated to monitoring all opinion shows for truth.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/21/2013 1:51:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

It goes to the credibility of the opinion show...

as well.

If Hannity is basing his opinions on a lack of information, his opinion doesn't matter much.

Vetting the guests would be a matter of quality control -- so that institutions like Salon can't catch Hannity and FOX News in a blatant lie.

It's sloppy work and in the past would have cost a producer his or her job.

VTexan Posted - 10/21/2013 7:19:36 PM | show profile | flag this post

Nice try, blacked

...but according to the Fox News site Hannity's program"...offers a mix of news, commentary, guest interviews and branded segments..." They clearly don't view themselves as an "opinion show" and I suspect their regular viewers don't either.

There is no excuse for what happened. To try and spin it off as par for the course means several things:
--you're not aware of the program's own self-description
--you're not aware of Fox News' claims of being Fair and Balanced
--that you'll excuse journalism as bad as it gets just because it's Sean Hannity.

I'd call it shilling but I don't want to give shilling a bad rap (this is where you chuckle, not tell me I don't know what shilling is).

blackedtaped Posted - 10/22/2013 11:05:02 AM | show profile | flag this post

The thing is, VTexan

You cannot pretend for one second you do not have a very clear opinion of Fox News. You have stated on multiple occasions your feelings about their lack of credibility. So for you to call this "Amazing, unbelievable" is, in a word, unbelievable.

VTexan Posted - 10/22/2013 7:17:03 PM | show profile | flag this post

You bring up a good point

And a valid one. I think my real amazement lies with those on these boards who would defend it, or those, like you, who brush it away like it's a nothin'. That's what's amazing and unbelievable.

mpdodgson Posted - 10/22/2013 10:34:45 PM | show profile | flag this post

It is a good point

We Dems, Libs, Progressives, people with working brain cells, do have a "very clear opinion of Fox News".

They're biased. That's it. They're biased. Maybe it's the whole "Fair and Balanced' thing that makes my skin crawl, or the "No Spin Zone" where everything that black guy in the WH does is downright vile evil and foreign donchaknow that bothers me. Actually putting people on like Palin, Newt, Santorum, Huckabee, Krauthammer, Billo, Hannity, etc etc night after night after night..while still promoting "We Report, You Decide"...Yea, that bothers me.

Just consider this for a minute; YES. MSNBC does have some flaming libruls out there bashing Boehner, Cruz, Paul, etal, every night. But they do it with videotape. They use their own words against them. To me...Actual replay is a thousand daggers vs a slight left to the jaw when it's just a well scripted, un-sourced, un-attributed downright false premise using fake people with false stories some producer thought would be 'cute'.

As my brilliant Dad would say; "You know you gain a reputation? You gain a reputation" And right now, the Fpx rep sucks. Here's a wild idea: Why not spin off the Fox commentators from the net? In other words; "NBC Nightly News" is one channel, MSNBC (and all that commentary) is another. It's not like Ailes can't afford it.

Just my two cents.

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