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Sen Rob Portman
Posted - 3/15/2013 7:30:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
(Pretty big story today) So this is what it takes?? We have to hit these guys one by one until they believe in indivudual rights??
(from NBC) "Ohio Republican Sen. Rob Portman's endorsement of same-sex marriage rights on Friday is the latest high-profile example of a sea change within the conservative movement toward gay rights.
"Portman, an influential senator whom Mitt Romney almost selected last year as his running mate, announced that he had changed his position toward same-sex marriage because one of his sons is gay."
So NOW same sex marriage is okay. Because now it involves MY family. When it involves other families--then we can legislate against it any way we can, and even put it in our party platform. Darth Cheney did the same thing when it involved his daughter.
If this is not the height of hypocrisy--and just plain wrong on civil rights grounds--I don't know what is.
Posted - 3/15/2013 8:33:44 PM | show profile | flag this post
mp..sometimes, it's genuine..not politically motivated..
here in san diego, the former two-term mayor, jerry sanders, strongly opposed same-sex marriage, and most other measures regarding the gay community..
he's a republican all the way.. was a 26-year veteran of the san diego p.d...was chief of that department for 6 years..
yet, in his first term, he tearfully reversed his position because he has a lesbian daughter..and came to realize he was wrong on this one..he was subsequently reelected overwhelmingly..there was no political advantage or disadvantage here..
he did it because it was the right thing to do..nothing more, nothing less..
Posted - 3/15/2013 10:21:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
I guess that was my point orth;
I just don't understand how, in 2013...that any major political party finds it necessary to put in writing in their platform that they're on the record, FOR discrimination.
I caught Marco Rubios CPAC speech. To thunderous applause. THIS is where he had me: "Now in order to work together with people that you disagree with, there has to be mutual respect," he explained. "That means I respect people that disagree with me on certain things, but they have to respect me, too."
You're absolutely right Senator...THIS is where he lost me: "Just because I believe that states should have the right to define marriage in a traditional way does not make me a bigot," YES, it does. The very second you you think states (and/or the Fed government) can legislate morality (as you see it), you've crossed over the line.
I'm impressed with what Sen Portman said--I only wish he went a tad farther and asked that the GOP stop putting moral decisions into pulic policy. I like how how you out it: "he did it because it was the right thing to do..nothing more, nothing less.." I wish more conservatives would do the same, that's all.
Posted - 3/17/2013 1:08:01 PM | show profile | flag this post
" The very second you you think states (and/or the Fed government) can legislate morality (as you see it), you've crossed over the line."
feel the same way about slavery or the death penalty?
what about states changing their flags?
what about hate crime laws?
isn't states legalizing gay marriage legislating morality?
your hypocrisy is noted.
Posted - 3/17/2013 2:00:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
gay marriage is about equal rights...period.
Posted - 3/17/2013 2:34:09 PM | show profile | flag this post
con? Don't know
where you were going with that...??
Reading skills, please. WHERE is my hypocrisy noted? I don't think the states or the Fed should legislate morality. That includes anything we all do in the privacy of our bedroom. That includes gay or straight relationships. Civil Rights are Civil Rights. "isn't states legalizing gay marriage legislating morality?" YES IT IS and they shouldn't do it.
I DO think however that the states and the Fed are within their boundaries to correct civil rights abuses. That includes slavery, or the death penalty, or hate crime laws.
You seem to be horribly confused here.
Posted - 3/17/2013 4:38:32 PM | show profile | flag this post
This explains everything...
|it's just tv folks||
Posted - 3/17/2013 6:37:43 PM | show profile | flag this post
It took Rob Portman 2 years to publicly support his gay son's right to marry. The son told his parents in Feb 2011 that he was gay.
I am happy Rob Portman is supporting his son. I am sad that it took his own son's coming out in order for the former Senator to understand the importance of a stable family structure for everyone. Even Darth Cheney is ok with lesbians, since his daughter, not the obnoxious one, has "married" her partner and given birth to 2 children.
Why can't these "humans" accept someone who is different from their narrow world view until one of their own, usually a child, comes out and declares their membership in the LGBT world?
In a market I formerly worked in, we did stories about young, African American women who disappeared. The police department said there was no connection. About a year later, as the serial killer escalated, the police began to kinda sorta say well maybe, might could be, it might maybe be the same killer of all of these women. There were women who were no doubt victims of murder. In the end, most of the women, but not all, we originally reported as missing women, were victims of this serial killer.
One mother of one of the victims of the serial killer made it her mission to press the police department into admitting they failed to protect women, specifically African American women and to reform the department into a police department that protected ALL of the people of the city.
The white, republican mayor at that time, in an off the record moment, said the mother needed to "get over it". I've always wanted to know how that white republican mayor would have "gotten over it" had his white son been murdered. This "I'll only give a damn if this affects me personally" mode of governing is despicable. Why does this seem to be such a prominent trait in the repub party?
I think we all know that Portman would never come out in support of Same Sex Marriage had his own son not come out to him as gay. Again, I give Portman credit for supporting his son instead of rejecting him.
I'd like to support those who support those who live a different life because it's the right thing to do, not just because they are part of the family (though I support those who support their family).
I have a dear cousin, a few years older than me, who I haven't seen in many years, mainly because we don't live near each other. He married, had children, divorced and now lives with his partner ... they bought my aunt and uncle's old house. While I believe his brothers (my cousins) completely understand and embrace him, I don't believe my parents ever fully completely admitted to understanding their nephew's life. I will always love and completely support my cousins ... and all of my cousins completely ... including another dear cousin of mine who died of HIV. I love him and still mourn his loss. Anyone who does not understand the loss of a family member does not understand the loss of someone close to themselves, I don't know how to fix that. I mourn the loss of my cousin Joel. He was a bright spot in my life. I was so young, but he was such an important part of my very young life.
Would love to hear from the "pro murder" side of this of this discussion.