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Posted - 6/16/2013 11:08:34 AM | show profile | flag this post
...bureaucrats from an insurance company with profit as incentive to make those decisions?
Posted - 6/16/2013 4:19:14 PM | show profile | flag this post
Somebody doesn't understand the difference between the term "socialized medicine" as it is used as a political hot potato in the United States -- echoes of "socialism" -- and the actual practice of universal health care in, say, Canada, where the funding is public but the health decisions are medical.
Political scare tactics, however, keep things lively, don't they?
Posted - 6/16/2013 9:19:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
So let me get this straight....
A doctor says a 10 year old can survive an adult transplant. The family, citing the doctor's recommendation, asks for a waiver of the transplant rules from the the HHS secretary, a member of Obama's cabinet, which is the government. The government official DENIES the waiver on the transplant. Then a judge intervenes to allow the waiver and the transplant happened a few days ago.
And you libs are more worried about calling me stupid, rather than a government official and a judge having the final say on a medical procedure?
You folks are looney tunes.
Posted - 6/17/2013 12:11:45 AM | show profile | flag this post
If you don't want to "get" it, nobody can make you.
Have a lovely evening in your bubble!
Posted - 6/17/2013 11:17:53 AM | show profile | flag this post
If an insurance company deciding whether or not a medical care plan is covered or not is "making health care decisions", then can not the same be said for a government agency deciding making the same decision?
The insurance company doesn't say that the patient cannot receive treatment. It just says it will not PAY for it. If you've got the money, you can pay for the treatment yourself. Unless the doctor/hosp/med org/legal issues/etc. says no. But if you are getting denied, then obviously the doctor/hosp/etc. has already APPROVED to treat you.
Big difference. Insurers deny, deny, deny, all day long, to PAY for treatments. Not ACCESS to treatments. Which to most is the same thing, unfortunately.
We do NOT have an access to care problem in the US, although this phrase is always used (anyone can walk right into an ED, doctor's office, urgent care facility, etc.).
What we have is an inability to PAY problem.
Costs, not access.
Posted - 6/17/2013 11:45:04 AM | show profile | flag this post
"Administered" is the key word in your dictionary definition. "A-D-M-I-N-I-S-T-E-R" -- "to MANAGE" -- to run the ***BUSINESS.***
"Genuine ignorance is... profitable because it is likely to be accompanied by humility, curiosity, and open mindedness; whereas ability to repeat catch-phrases, cant terms, familiar propositions, gives the conceit of learning and coats the mind with varnish waterproof to new ideas. ~John Dewey"
"Ignorance is a right! Education is eroding one of the few democratic freedoms remaining to us. ~Christopher Andrea"
Posted - 6/17/2013 12:05:06 PM | show profile | flag this post
We seem to be in agreement,
In a socialized medical system the government "manages" the healthcare system. Well I can't argue with that, I think is correct. I wonder how you define "manage", to me that means making decisions. Perhaps you can cure my ignorance by explaining exactly your vision of "manage" and how it differs from mine.
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Posted - 6/22/2013 11:53:00 AM | show profile | flag this post
glad to see republicans here
agree that government should keep their noses out doctor patient decisions. A woman's gynecological care should not be decided by government.
Organ transplants are not like buying shoes. There is not a stockroom with different sizes of lung, hearts, kidneys, etc. The mechanism for organ transplants has been set up by medical professionals. It's really, really, really stupid to blame Sec. Sebelius for a decision she cannot and does not make.
Posted - 6/22/2013 6:16:42 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** We seem to be in agreement,
In a socialized medical system the government "manages" the healthcare system. Well I can't argue with that, I think is correct. I wonder how you define "manage", to me that means making decisions. Perhaps you can cure my ignorance by explaining exactly your vision of "manage" and how it differs from mine. ***
Do you really, truly not understand what managing a company/corporation is, or are you just trying to waste my time?
I ask because I would think that, as an employed adult, you would understand how management of companies operates.
Posted - 6/22/2013 6:18:04 PM | show profile | flag this post
In other words, it's along the lines of Warren Buffett's not picking out the fabric and buttons for the shirts and he doesn't sew them -- know what I mean?
Posted - 6/23/2013 3:16:21 AM | show profile | flag this post
I imagine that managing a company means making the decisions that determine the mission of the company. I would imagine that management would decide whether to make men's or ladies shirts or both, where to locate the factory, where to purchase materials, and determine the marketing strategy in the example you gave. So "managing" a healthcare system would involve determining where to locate medical facilities, the level of staffing, services offered at each facility, which suppliers to use, and determining the cost of services. And just as the decisions that Mr. Buffett makes affects the quality of the shirts his company manufactures so the decisions a healthcare management group makes affects the quality of healthcare offered.
I appreciate your deep and sincere concerns about my intelligence levels. These big concepts are just hard for a simpleton like me to grasp. I thank you for taking the time to try to help me understand. I hope you do not get frustrated, I'll try hard to grasp the complexity of your thoughts. (And that my dear was called sarcasm in case it slipped by you)
Posted - 6/23/2013 2:31:19 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** I imagine that managing a company means making the decisions that determine the mission of the company. I would imagine that management would decide whether to make men's or ladies shirts or both, where to locate the factory, where to purchase materials, and determine the marketing strategy in the example you gave. ***
You imagine wrong. I don't know what to say to you beyond this, because it would take a book to explain to you how major corporations and industries operate -- and that's not appropriate to post in a forum.
It is, however, appropriate for you to stop imagining and to start having a factual basis for discussion. Do your self-education. If you're employed by a large company, learn how your company operates, including what its owner, top manager, advisers and directors do. Learn about departments and delegation. It may surprise you to discover that the owner wasn't the one who determined in which order the condiments must go on the bun and the top manager didn't design the retail bag.
Posted - 6/24/2013 4:08:16 PM | show profile | flag this post
At one time I thought you were an intelligent person capable of rational thought. You are proving me wrong.
I am well aware of corporate structure, and the appropriate levels of decision making. I have been at multiple levels of management, and my responsibilities changed from supervisor to manager to department head. I never achieved corporate level management but I know that decisions made at each level affect the quality of the product produced or services rendered. Whether they are sitting in the board room, an office on the top floor, an office in the back corner, or a larger cubicle all of these people make decisions. And those decisions affect the outcome.
Here is a definition of management:
"Management in all business and organizational activities is the act of coordinating the efforts of people to accomplish desired goals and objectives using available resources efficiently and effectively. Management comprises planning, organizing, staffing, leading or directing, and controlling an organization (a group of one or more people or entities) or effort for the purpose of accomplishing a goal. Resourcing encompasses the deployment and manipulation of human resources, financial resources, technological resources, and natural resources." Now I know that's from Wikipedia, not exactly the best resource in the world, but it really makes it pretty clear.