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etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/30/2013 8:41:56 AM | show profile | flag this post

On Friday, 900,000 U.S. veterans will be kicked off food stamps.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=4039

This is the direct result of GOP efforts to cut the food stamp program.

But don't worry, Republican House members will make up for it by putting brand new yellow ribbon magnets on their SUVs.

blackedtaped Posted - 10/30/2013 10:39:15 AM | show profile | flag this post

More reading....

http://www.offthechartsblog.org/november-1-snap-cut-will-hit-veterans-in-every-state/
"The coming benefit cut will reduce SNAP benefits, which are already modest, for all households by 7 percent on average, or about $10 per person per month. Without the Recovery Act’s boost, SNAP benefits in fiscal year 2014 will average less than $1.40 per person per meal." That's a reduction not "kicked off".
From your own article: "who will experience a benefit cut as the 2009". Again a "cut" not a total removal.
And the "cut" is of the temporary increase added in 2009. Please if you want to engage in scare tactics at least be factual.


etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/30/2013 10:44:39 AM | show profile | flag this post

So you're saying...

it's OK to limit veterans to just $1.40 a meal, blacked?

I bet you can't even by a yellow ribbon magnet that cheap.

blackedtaped Posted - 10/30/2013 10:53:36 AM | show profile | flag this post

No, what I am saying...

Is that, and I guess you missed it entirely, this country is not only broke but deep in debt. Reducing an assistance program designed to help all Americans, not just veterans, provide a meal for their family is just one of the many hard choices we need to make as a nation. The program is not being discontinued despite your earlier statement and there are guidelines regarding exactly what families will be affected.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/30/2013 11:02:19 AM | show profile | flag this post

So the way to fix that...

is to remove the safety net protecting our veterans?

Semper fi, blackedtape.

blackedtaped Posted - 10/30/2013 11:41:58 AM | show profile | flag this post

No, etaoin, the way to fix it..

Is putting them to work along with the millions of other Americans that currently need assistance to make ends meet. Why are you not as concerned about the rest of the Americans not working, the most ever in the history of this country? How about crying out about the "recovery" that is so slow it really does not qualify as a recovery? And why are you not equally upset about the backlog of veterans applying for benefits? Why are you not upset about the Veterans Administration officials that received bonuses while veterans wait for benefits? No, you just want to bitch about republicans throwing Americans out in the street to starve.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/30/2013 12:58:00 PM | show profile | flag this post

Yes, blacked....

jobs would be great!

But when you've got a House leadership that has voted 40+ times on repealing Obamacare and not a single time on a jobs building plan of any kind -- we kinda need a safety net.

I'm all for putting people to work.

But if companies refuse to hire them -- why punish those who want to work and are out of work?

Why is the right in this country so hell-bent on punishing the poor and out of work? Even your logic seems to blame the poor for being poor.

Hate to break it to you, blackedtape, but most of the time, poor people don't choose to be that way.

Would YOU choose to be poor?

Why blame vets?

proudliberal Posted - 10/30/2013 1:10:17 PM | show profile | flag this post

Blackedtape...

Yes we are in debt...why? Because of tax cuts for the rich. Because of two unnecessary wars that cost us more than a trillion dollars. Because of a recession started by no oversight over greedy banks. So the way to get out of it is to punish the people who were hurt the most by the reasons for the recession? That is so typically right wing. Let's bailout more wealthy people and let the poor suffer. No health care for the sick...no food for the hungry. We have billionaires who need to pay for all those vacation homes!

blackedtaped Posted - 10/30/2013 3:03:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

Forgive me, etaoin

For wasting your and my time. Sorry to interrupt your political rant with facts.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/30/2013 3:14:11 PM | show profile | flag this post

The facts you cite, blacked...

do not change the facts I've posted here.

Pulling the safety net out from under our veterans is shameful.

blackedtaped Posted - 10/30/2013 5:19:45 PM | show profile | flag this post

Well yes they did, etaoin

No one is getting "kicked off food stamps". Period.

cruiser Posted - 10/30/2013 6:03:05 PM | show profile | flag this post

"not a single time on a jobs building plan of any kind"

That's pure bullsh*t and you know it. The Republican-controlled House has sent about 40 jobs bills to the Senate, where Democrat Harry Reid, the Majority Leader, has tabled every one...refusing to even bring them to a vote.

Doesn't your party even have balls enough to submit these jobs bills to an up/down vote? Is your party so afraid of what the red state Democrats would do that they have to prevent so much as a debate on these jobs bills?

Senate Democrats haven't even complied with their Constitutional mandate to submit a budget every years. Why should we expect them to put Americans...including returned veterans who now must rely on food stamps...back to work?

Quinntessential Posted - 10/30/2013 6:36:14 PM | show profile | flag this post

Lord knows they need the safety net.

We can thank President Obama for ending the VA backlog. We can thank President Obama for improving mental healthcare for veterans .

President Obama deserves credit for creating a robust recovery in which veterans have no problems finding jobs.


Oh wait..... What's broken promises when supporting the military means little more than photo-ops and lip service?




orthicon Posted - 10/30/2013 7:05:06 PM | show profile | flag this post

notch.. once again, you have no idea what you're..

talking about..

I work regularly and intimately with returned veterans..and the vast majority of our problems are from Iraq war vets..BUSH's soldiers..BUSH's war..

things have gotten so much better under Obama that it's hard to compare the two..

get your head out of your ass..

Quinntessential Posted - 10/30/2013 8:32:03 PM | show profile | flag this post

BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!

"things have gotten so much better under Obama"

The VA backlog has more than double since Obama took office.

Suicide rates, homeless rates, drug use, arrest rates for veterans are higher since Obama took office.

Thank God we have Democrats and Republicans willing to call President Obama out on his failure to keep his promises to returning veterans aka "BUSH's soldiers".

There are many journalists doing real work on the subject.

Aaron Glantz is worth the read.

Orthicon, i'm not wasting my time with you.









mpdodgson Posted - 10/30/2013 10:07:56 PM | show profile | flag this post

Oh Crotch

Why do you suppose "The VA backlog has more than double since Obama took office"?? Because...taking a wild guess here...we have more combat veterans?!!?? Now why would that be?!?!?!

That's where the "BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!BUSH!!!!!" comes in your moron. They're not "veterans" if they're still in combat getting shot it. Those people are called 'active duty'. I know you're confused, these are foreign terms to you. See, you don't become a 'veteran' until you LEAVE. If you're the president--and the guy before you starts TWO WARS--you're the one facing the 'veterans' problem. And tragically that even involves "Suicide rates, homeless rates, drug use, arrest rates for veterans are higher since Obama took office." BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE WEREN'T VETERANS WHEN BUSH AND CHENEY SENT THEM INTO TWO WARS. THEY WERE ACTIVE DUTY. (Besides of course, if you're the president now, you have to pay the $2 trillion or so tab for the wars your predecessor started)

Get it now?? Since apparently only 'Caps Lock' means anything to you.

As for the topic: Please. Get real. Okay. So orth said "kicked off food stamps" instead of, shall we say, 'drastically cut back'. C'mon blackedtape--"less than $1.40 per person per meal." That's a reduction not "kicked off".

Well Thank God for the $1.40 I guess. Is there tax on a 'Dollar Special' at McDonalds??? And can I get a free water if I wear my uniform and Purple Heart??

If there was ever a subject conservatives should stay away from--this is it. "Sorry to interrupt your political rant with facts" Well gosh, when you're right you're right. That should clear up at least 15 of the last 25 threads. They're all bullshit. "No one is getting "kicked off food stamps". Period." Again, that may be true. But I guess that means the next time I hear anyone here saying 'Obama did this...' (meaning he personally did it) Or 'people losing their insurance because of ObamaCare'--I'll refer them to this thread.


orthicon Posted - 10/30/2013 10:37:44 PM | show profile | flag this post

notch..don't want to hear another word from you about this..

until after you get out there in the trenches, like I am, and TALK to those vets..

you won't hear anything to back up your specious reasoning..nothing at all..

Quinntessential Posted - 10/30/2013 11:23:32 PM | show profile | flag this post

mp. I am also sorry to interrupt your rant with facts.

President Obama in 2008 and 2012 pledged to fix the broken VA bureaucracy.

President Obama pledged better health care.

BLAME BUSH!!!! Then tell us things are much better since Obama took office.

Facts say otherwise.

Bizarre rants. Burying your head in the sand won't help you.

Who am i kidding? I'm arguing fact with people who believe President Obama can do no wrong.

For some, it will always be BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!!

















orthicon Posted - 10/31/2013 12:40:14 AM | show profile | flag this post

no.. on this issue, you're arguing with people who are..

better informed on the issue than you are..people who have been out there..

and who are, generally speaking, much smarter than you are..

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/31/2013 9:44:03 AM | show profile | flag this post

The VA Backlog...

is due to reliance on paper records -- and the failure of the DoD and VA to create a joint database for transferring records from active duty service members to the VA when they left the service.

This upgrade languished during the Bush years. It was even put on the backburner at one point because the "highest priority" for the VA was to make sure the new, Bush-appointed VA Director's official portrait was properly sized and hung in every VA office.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/26/AR2005062600920.html

The Obama administration inherited a mountain of paperwork the Bush administration ignored, and has made increasing strides in actually eating away at the Bush Backlog. By September, the Obama administration had reduced the backlog by 25% since March:

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/11/nation/la-na-veterans-backlog-20130912

However, Ted Cruz and his TEA Party backed government shutdown caused delays in eliminating the backlog:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/07/veterans-affairs-government-shutdown_n_4060538.html

So, not only have Republicans ignored veterans in favor of official portraits, they've stalled progress on eliminating the VA backlog through their silly shutdown and now, they're targeting veterans who receive food stamp assistance.

Not much troop support from the righthand side of the aisle.

Quinntessential Posted - 10/31/2013 10:56:22 AM | show profile | flag this post

Bnut is smarter than those of us who have investigated and done the work. Bnut reads liberal bloggers so he considers himself informed.

Bnut refuses to acknowledge problems at the VA. Bnut refuses to admit President Obama has failed to keep his promises.

IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!!!!





blackedtaped Posted - 10/31/2013 11:22:29 AM | show profile | flag this post

Keeping it real...

According to the article, and I even posted the exact quote, the cutback equals 7% or $10 per month per person. So according to Mpdodgson that equates 'drastically cut back'. Now let me see, what did I read on this forum recently? "Opinion is supposed to be based on facts and a person's analysis of those facts." Opps.

etaoin shrdlu Posted - 10/31/2013 12:10:27 PM | show profile | flag this post

Crotch...

read the links I posted.

Yep, Bush left Washington in a mess. It's going to take at least ten or twelve years to fix the problems he created.

Don't blame the mechanic when you blew out your engine.

cruiser Posted - 10/31/2013 2:11:12 PM | show profile | flag this post

The mechanic blew out the engine

and now he's trying to cover his ass...trying to make it so the public won't notice.

mpdodgson Posted - 10/31/2013 7:56:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

Why blackedtape you clever bastard

Nailed me again. Hoisted by my own petard. "Mpdodgson that equates [a measly 7%] 'drastically cut back'." Yep. I said that.

Why did I say that? Because 7% of a million dollars is a helluva lot of food for one meal. Heck, even 7% of a $100 is a lot for one meal. But when it means you're left with $1.40 for DINNER??? Yea, in my book? That's drastic...well at least for the person who's hungry. But then I guess "hunger" is an opinion and not a fact.

And hey, I'm still shaking my head over the idea that Crotch can't figure out how Obama ended up with so many wounded veterans after the other guy started two wars. Not to mention the trillions in debt off the books. I mean, really, who saw that coming?


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