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mpdodgson Posted - 9/1/2013 5:28:10 PM | show profile | flag this post

con?

Seriously? "do people in grenada still celebrate that day?" Uh, no they don't. For that matter, most historians consider Grenada another blip in a very sad long sorry legacy that was Reagan. From Iran/Contra to Lebanon it was one foreign policy disaster after another. And oh yea, by the way, he raised taxes and raised the debt ceiling 18 times. In his last two years he was a walking example for the 25th Amendment.

(Ooooh, I'm sorry cruise, that doesn't count, because the Constitution STOPS at the Bill of Rights. donchaknow)

"some would call attempting to get a newclear weapon, exporting terrorism, attacking our allies a "goddamn good reason." Well, yea, if any of that was true at the time. And exactly what is "newclear" weapon?

"We did manage to lose a few hundred Marines in Lebanon " which the new york times and cbs news shares in the blame...." WTF does that mean? You do understand that makes no sense at all, right?? We had guys in barracks--for no good reason--in a place they shouldn't have been in in the first place--because their Commander In Chief put them there. And they died. Please tell me--exactly--how the NYT and CBS is responsible for that.

I'm through with you con. You're a waste of space. I'm urging everyone here to boyucott this turd. "haterade" ?? "thinkerate"?? "Dear leader" "messiah"...etc etc, and you have the NERVE to add "stay classy libs"?? FU and go away.

cruiser Posted - 9/1/2013 7:11:37 PM | show profile | flag this post

Typical left winger

Doesn't have a compelling argument so he settles for hurling ad hominem.

con Posted - 9/1/2013 7:32:58 PM | show profile | flag this post

"FU and go away." "I'm urging everyone here to boyucott this turd. "

may work on the playground. in the real world you will be challenged on what you post. so study up and be prepared..

while some may applaud your rabbit defence of obama, your "reagan sucks just look at" exposes your lack knowledge of grenada, libya or lebanon.

expand your research beyond think progress and crooks and lairs. you will be glad you did....

skooling sucks for you i know. in the long run you will be thankful for knowledge gained.











mpdodgson Posted - 9/1/2013 9:43:44 PM | show profile | flag this post

Go away cruise. Seriously.

Since some of us have to actually work during the week, I haven't had the chance to catch up with your insanity.

"This dude cannot...CANNOT...refute what I posted so he tries with all his might to change the subject." Where the hell did I change the subject?? I started the thread. It's about Syria. If you want to bring up what past presidents did or did not do, that's just fine. And btw, I DID refute everything you said.

"The subject is: Obama let his ego overload his ass and got himself into a no win situation" Well, no. I believe that no president (be it Reagan, Bush, Bush, Clinton or any of the rest of them) 'wanted' to send our young men and women into harms way.. It is the most awesome responsibility that goes with the job. You wanna know where the gray hair comes from? That's it.

Your grandiose bullshit "IF YOU THINK IT WAS WRONG FOR REAGAN AND BUSH...BUT I NOTICE YOU DIDN'T INCLUDE CLINTON WHO INVADED KOSOVO...THEN WHY IN THE HELL IS IT O.K. FOR OBAMA???

Well that was a waste of the caps lock. How can you be so blatantly loud and wrong all at the same time? Does History mean anything to you? Does Google ring a bell? Clinton did not "invade Kosovo"...it was a NATO action...and am I sorry I didn't quote you correctly? ("or the US must be acting in accordance with a recognized policy under an international treaty that is binding on the US (e.g., a UN resolution)...you mean like NATO??

It is not "O.K. FOR OBAMA" to do anything unilaterally. And he isn't. And he shouldn't. It's about time you stopped this "your president" crap and admit he's doing his job in the right and proper way.



Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/1/2013 11:36:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

mp, you're not going to educate these two trolls. It's unnecessary even to engage them in order to point out their errors; they demonstrate themselves how limited they are every time they post.

The only value they bring to the table is the daily reminder of what the nation could turn into without a revival of critical thinking. It's a good lesson for media people, since we play a critical role in it. Granted, nowadays we have an uphill battle against bloggers and others who call themselves journalists but wouldn't know journalism if it bit them on the hand; but the battle will be won as readers/viewers/listeners tire of blowhards. I truly believe that day is coming fast, and it will dump trolls like ours on their angry little whiny-ass butts.

Keep the faith.

orthicon Posted - 9/2/2013 12:49:17 AM | show profile | flag this post

i've recommended several times that we all simply ignore..

anything and everything they post..let 'em talk to each other, and see how that works for them..

any takers?..i'm sure we can all find better things to do..

cruiser Posted - 9/2/2013 9:25:00 AM | show profile | flag this post

"If you want to bring up what

past presidents did or did not do..."

It wasn't me who brought it up, pal...it was you. It's what you ALWAYS do when I make a point that's critical of Obama. That's your way of trying to change the subject to take the focus off of his incompetence.

cruiser Posted - 9/2/2013 9:35:43 AM | show profile | flag this post

"It is not "O.K. FOR OBAMA" to do anything unilaterally"

That's a WAY different tune than you were singing the other day. Then, you were telling me that as long as he reports to congress within the specified period of time it's OK for him to invade whatever country he wants. This DESPITE the fact that the first section of the War Powers Act (Resolution for the anal retentive), 50 USC 1541, specifically restricts such action to one of three preconditions...and we've gone over what those are many times.

cruiser Posted - 9/2/2013 11:15:13 AM | show profile | flag this post

Nile Gardiner tells it like it is about Obama and Syria

and at the same time dispels many of the oft-repeated left wing myths about Bush's "coalition of the willing," which...at about 40 countries...was one of the largest ever assembled.

By contrast Obama's "coalition" includes...France. Period.

And Gardiner makes a point of Obama's imperious disdain for the heads of many of the countries of Europe...indeed of the world. It's no wonder few (none?) are willing to side with him.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100233454/barack-obama-is-proving-an-embarrassing-amateur-on-the-world-stage-compared-to-george-w-bush/

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/2/2013 11:56:39 AM | show profile | flag this post

*** i've recommended several times that we all simply ignore..
anything and everything they post..let 'em talk to each other, and see how that works for them..
any takers?..i'm sure we can all find better things to do.. ***

I'm on board, orth!

It's not hard to ignore them. They aren't provocative thinkers, they aren't even informed, and they never say anything of substance. Who needs any of that? We'd bypass such people as tipsters or sources, since they express disdain for the most basic facts (such as the correct name of the War Powers Resolution). When there's a choice over spending free time, it makes no sense to invest time in them. Life's too short. ...

... and since I cut back to maybe five minutes maximum here a day (this morning is an exception), I've planned out an ebook series and a new business that, with continued application of good principles, will earn me a sustainable six-figure income well into retirement ... a big portion of which will support humanitarian organizations such as Doctors Without Borders and Oxfam.

I am a big believer in the MLK approach of keeping one's eye on the prize, no matter how much negativity other people fling. I lost that spirit for a while after my parents died, but now it is back and stronger.

If our angry resident dodo birds contribute in some small way to my success, as they've unknowingly done for the past six months since I cut back on their posts, then they'll have served a worthwhile purpose here for me -- and won't they s**t bricks over it? Oh, yeah, you bet they will. And I'll smile all the way. I'm smiling right now -- and off on this glorious Labor Day morning to plan the next step toward launch.

cruiser Posted - 9/2/2013 12:33:10 PM | show profile | flag this post

I don't begrudge anyone success

but I do begrudge them stupid when they ought to know better.

con Posted - 9/2/2013 1:37:09 PM | show profile | flag this post

yes, everyone is on board with "boyucott" and ignoring those we disagree with. much has that is the democratic way-liberal narcissism prevents y'all from accomplishing your goal.

knowledge is strength- gain self-confidence through strength.

don't expect "reagan sux" or "they did it to" to pass logic- don't thinkerate you can posted anything as fact without challenge.











mpdodgson Posted - 9/2/2013 3:14:02 PM | show profile | flag this post

"don't thinkerate

"...you can posted anything as fact without challenge" [sic]. Well you can't argue with logic like that. Well, you could, but it would tale a ball pein hammer to the forehead.

Bill Maher (whom I never watch live) may have had the Best tweet of the weekend IMO: “Kudos to Barry for restoring constitution re war powers. Tea People shld luv it but of course wont cuz President Blackenstein did it”

I can never ever promise a boycott of anyone or any topic. When they crawl under my skin like those "The Mummy" beetles, i have to scratch and claw. I'm weak that way.

cruiser Posted - 9/2/2013 6:11:08 PM | show profile | flag this post

"Tea People shld luv it but of course wont"

The topic should never have come up. If Obama hadn't let his ego overload his backside he wouldn't have needed to find a way to save face while backing out the door. He's embarrassed himself and...by extension...the United States.

Syria is far LESS a strategic or national interest of US than Libya was...and that was a long stretch

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/2/2013 10:24:18 PM | show profile | flag this post

Analyses and opinion pieces (by educated folks):

"Why Syria Is More Complicated Than Libya" -- http://www.npr.org/2013/08/29/216858049/why-syria-is-more-complicated-than-libya

"Why Obama Is Being Pulled Into Syrian Conflict" -- http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324906304579036842512364978.html

"Syria crisis could change face of the Middle East" -- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13132960

"9 questions about Syria you were too embarrassed to ask" -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/08/29/9-questions-about-syria-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask/

"Why Syria is important to your money" -- http://www.centralpennbusiness.com/article/20130830/BLOGEXTRA/130839965/Why-Syria-is-important-to-your-money-

"Why inaction is the best response on Syria" -- http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Why-inaction-is-the-best-response-on-Syria-324215



cruiser Posted - 9/2/2013 10:44:06 PM | show profile | flag this post

You finally got one right...

the last one. Inaction IS the best response to Syria.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/3/2013 10:23:12 AM | show profile | flag this post

That's not my headline, cruiser -- it's the Jerusalem Post's.

Obviously you didn't bother reading the article to find out the substance of it. Nor any other articles to find out why Israel might feel that way.

Oh, well. You're not in charge anyway.

con Posted - 9/4/2013 11:08:04 AM | show profile | flag this post

obama drawing a red line in the sand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxxwfaIAl_Q#t=72

obama now claims no red line was drawn...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6ePJXR216c

i know. blame bush and totus..

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/4/2013 12:11:08 PM | show profile | flag this post

Are you able to read? Try it. It's better than watching YouTube videos.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/4/2013 12:13:09 PM | show profile | flag this post

And since you appear to be a big supporter of chemical warfare, may the Lord have mercy on your soul.

cruiser Posted - 9/5/2013 8:53:43 PM | show profile | flag this post

Now comes word that it was Syrian rebels who used sarin

Several apparently credible reports indicate that it was NOT Bashar Assad's forces that were responsible for the sarin gas attack in Aleppo earlier this year.

BUT THE LIBERAL US MEDIA HAS NOT PICKED THEM UP. Are they covering for Obama? Do they want to be accessories to a US-led atrocity, should Obama ignore all this and go ahead with his "punitive" strike against Assad.

http://www.infowars.com/video-syrian-rebel-admits-using-chemical-weapons/

Obama dithered away any pretense of leadership, decisiveness and credibility on the Syria matter...now he can likely kiss his personal reputation and that of the US goodbye if he proceeds.

orthicon Posted - 9/6/2013 4:33:36 PM | show profile | flag this post

anyone who quotes "infowars" as a source for anything..

deserves all the scorn and disdain that can be heaped upon them..

cruiser Posted - 9/6/2013 5:05:39 PM | show profile | flag this post

This dude

never...repeat, NEVER...contradicts the subject matter of the post...he can't. All he ever does is attack the messenger. That should be a word to the wise.

mpdodgson Posted - 9/6/2013 8:48:21 PM | show profile | flag this post

"A Word to the Wise"

from an imbecile should give anyone pause.

Look, cruise, 'attacking the messenger' is usually not a great debate tactic, but this is "Infowars" were talking about. Your "Now comes word" is no more definitive in nature than their "A video has emerged".

Remember that Alex Jones believing that the State was behind the Boston Bombing was the most sedate conspiracy he's floated this year. "He claims that the Illuminati control the world. He claims that "the elite" conspirators who he says control the world "believe they're contacting inter-dimensional aliens" through use of the drug DMT, and "believe that they are being directed by them." Jones says that the entities that the world-ruling conspirators worship are called "clockwork elves" and that their ultimate goal is to be granted "eternal life" after they "kill everybody." Yep. that's your source.

"BUT THE LIBERAL US MEDIA HAS NOT PICKED THEM UP"

BECAUSE UNLIKE YOU THE MEDIA ISN'T DROPPING ACID WHILE TROLLING I HATE OBAMA WEB SITES. AND TAKE OFF THE DAMN CAPS LOCK.

Inre the Assad chemical warfare attack, at least 1400 are known dead, over 400 of them children. As the SecState testified, we actually have tissue samples. Assad is guilty. Now, keep in mind, I have absolutely no problem with anyone (even you) 'questioning' whether the US should get involved or not, ain't America great?, but conspiracy theories at this point are for the very very feeble minded.

mpdodgson Posted - 9/6/2013 9:11:18 PM | show profile | flag this post

And as for my own personal opinion;

And that's all it is--so no one has to listen to it--chemical warfare IS one of those lines that no country should cross. Period. If that means us lobbing a hundred missiles at them to destroy their factories, and maybe, just maybe, contributing to Assad's downfall (with no risk to American soldiers mind you), I'm all for it.

Unlike the Bushies LIE about Saddams potential 'mushroom cloud'...this is a war crime playing out in real time.

At what hypothetical point cruise would you have 'stepped in' to prevent the Nazis from gassing 6 million Jews? Beginning? Middle?? Never???

From Dante's Inferno: "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

I'd like to ram that quote up the ass of every politician out there, of either party, who is fighting their way to a mic to lambaste the WH for something that hasn't even happened yet, just to get their soundbite out there for the folks back home.


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