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cruiser Posted - 9/7/2013 12:19:48 AM | show profile | flag this post

Do all former seminarians think

they're holier than everyone else?

Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not kill?" Are Assad's chips forfeited because he killed some of his people? Is the church's stand on capital punishment a dichotomy?

Where are you on these?

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/7/2013 10:04:46 AM | show profile | flag this post

*** Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not kill?" ***

The guy who wants every American to have a gun in every room of the house asks this question?

cruiser Posted - 9/7/2013 10:50:32 AM | show profile | flag this post

What a freakin' idiot

Just because people have firearms doesn't mean they have to...or even will...use them for murderous purposes. The percentage of firearms ever used in a crime...especially a homicide...is VERY small -- as is the number of people who ever commit a homicide.

Stop you knee-jerk, foaming-at-the-mouth anti-gun hysteria.

mpdodgson Posted - 9/7/2013 11:32:17 AM | show profile | flag this post

Actually cruise, it's complicated

But hopefully not too complicated for your 'genius' mind.

"Do all former seminarians think they're holier than everyone else?" Well it's actually worse than you think; Remember, I'm a former Jesuit seminarian. We do not think we're "holier than everyone else" (far from it). The problem is we know we're smarter than everyone else. (lol) I'm reminded of the funny exchange in one of my all time favorite movies 'The Great Escape': "Von Luger: Are all American officers so ill-mannered? Hilts: Yeah, about 99 percent."

"Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not kill?" Now there is a great debate, and I know I have said that before. Yes, I believe in that. And yet I still believe in self-defense, and would kill to protect my beloved wife. Also, Jesuits have been called “God’s Marines" for a reason...we're not against 'war' per se, ('Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition' anyone?) we're just against 'dumb wars' as Obama put it. Wars started out of hubris. Or wars started by a strutting silver belt buckle cowboy booted drawling Texan who had no problem with 36,000 or so American casualties because of some mis-guided psychotic impression 'He tried to hurt my Daddy...'

And can't your "Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not kill?" be applied to conservatives as well? Of course it can. No abortions--ever--even in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother--because all life is SACRED donchaknow--but we've got no problem with frying your ass like slab of bacon or slowly sliding poison into your veins--because--wait for it--"Thou shalt not kill!"

..."Is the church's stand on capital punishment a dichotomy?" I'm NOT the Church. MY stand on killing is not only a dichotomy, it's a paradox as well. And I believe most people out there (if you examine "it" and yourselves) would agree with me. Killing=Bad. War=Bad. Unless........





cruiser Posted - 9/7/2013 11:40:01 AM | show profile | flag this post

"strutting silver belt buckle cowboy booted drawling Texan"

Isn't this the moral equivalent of a racist comment?

cruiser Posted - 9/7/2013 12:00:02 PM | show profile | flag this post

"Wars started out of hubris"

Doesn't this apply to a very late, very timid and probably very ineffective "response" to a sarin gas attack of unconfirmed origin?

Obama painted himself into a corner with his hubris and anything...repeat, ANYthing...he does now will spark derision by some segment of a watchful world. His waiting and waffling has him in "damned of you do, damned if you don't" territory. The unfortunate part is that the reputation and credibility of the entire country is at stake.

In my local Bay area newspaper there is always a question of the week. (Note that this area is VERY liberal with a large contingent of the far left) This week's question was "Do you approve of the president's handling of the Syrian situation?" NOT A SINGLE RESPONSE supported Obama's position.

mpdodgson Posted - 9/7/2013 4:59:12 PM | show profile | flag this post

cruise; No, I disagree

What I said about our former president is most definitely not "the moral equivalent of a racist comment?" Good Lord. "strutting silver belt buckle cowboy booted drawling Texan" is actually something Bush himself would be proud of. Referring to the current president as an 'Illegal Niggya Kenyan'--And I got proof!!' Now that's a racist comment. And the last month of local 'Town Hall' meetings with Republian Congressmen are full of them.

Back on topic--"Wars started out of hubris" Doesn't this apply to a very late, very timid and probably very ineffective "response" to a sarin gas attack of unconfirmed origin?"

No. You're wrong. Do I have to remind you AGAIN, that Obama and the US hasn't actually done anything yet?? And...and this is a real bitch for the wingnuts out there...Even if we do something, they're asking for Congressional support--in terms of actual votes--which Obama doesn't even need????

"Very late and very timid"?? Oh. So if Obama decided to launch a cruise missile attack months ago...without Congressional approval...YOU of all people...YOU would be here heaping praise on him?? You honestly expect anyone of us to believe that?

"The unfortunate part is that the reputation and credibility of the entire country is at stake" NOW you care about that?? Exactly what rock were you living under from 2001-2008??





cruiser Posted - 9/7/2013 5:14:54 PM | show profile | flag this post

I see you're still operating by your same "standards"...

blame Bush for everything...excuse Obama for everything...and NEVER, EVER refer to something without exaggerating or somehow distorting it.

I thought yoiu were much too old to try to "win" an argument with rhetorical devices. But I should have known better.

newscred Posted - 9/7/2013 9:32:05 PM | show profile | flag this post

logic (if there is any) gives way to emotions

When the administrations reason for an attack changes from a logical argument to an emotional one -- look at the pictures of dead children -- then you know they're in a state of panic.

orthicon Posted - 9/8/2013 12:43:44 AM | show profile | flag this post

pictures of dead kids don't bother you, newscred?

for some reason, i'm not the least bit surprised..

cruiser Posted - 9/8/2013 12:31:17 PM | show profile | flag this post

And exactly what

does pictures of dead soldiers do for you?

Oh, you mean you didn't actually want to KILL anyone with your cruise missiles?

orthicon Posted - 9/8/2013 1:44:52 PM | show profile | flag this post

having seen it firsthand, it angers me..

of course, that's something you wouldn't know about, would you?

cruiser Posted - 9/8/2013 4:42:02 PM | show profile | flag this post

EVERYthing angers you

I'll bet the neighbor kids cutting across your lawn just drives you nuts.

cruster Posted - 9/8/2013 5:15:46 PM | show profile | flag this post

"the moral equivalent of a racist comment?"

Hmmmm, let's see.

Did it follow centuries of enslavement? No?

Did it follow one's land being stolen at the point of a gun? No?

Did it follow a history of discrimination that prohibited one from progressing at one's ability merely because that person wasn't the right color, religious persuasion or ethnicity? No?

Did it follow a history of genocide? No?

Gosh cruiser buddy, I think we have your answer! No?



con Posted - 9/8/2013 6:55:53 PM | show profile | flag this post

ha. ha. crustie is the funniest......

newscred Posted - 9/9/2013 12:03:56 PM | show profile | flag this post

please don't twist my words

I said "an emotional one" which implies I realize that seeing pictures of dead children is horrible...hence emotional. Interesting how some of you make leaps in what that means.

If we have proof the Syrian government used the gas as opposed to a faction of the rebels having used it, why hasn't that proof been shown to us? Use of gas is horrible, but proof trumps emotions when making a decision to attack someone. Let's see the proof.

Grateful Deadline Posted - 9/10/2013 10:02:37 AM | show profile | flag this post

Geez, Louise. Don't you keep up with the news AT ALL?

cruiser Posted - 9/10/2013 10:10:50 AM | show profile | flag this post

Yeah...and it is absolutely UNCLEAR

which side...or perhaps both...used sarin gas. There seems to be credible evidence for both...and we can hardly condemn only Assad for doing precisely the same thing his enemies are doing.

This is one we need to sit out...regardless of how much damage it does to Obama's credibility and effectiveness on the world stage.


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