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Posted - 12/21/2012 12:40:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
That "everyone should have a gun" speech of yours will surely strengthen the resolve of sane, rational Americans to have tighter gun regulation. He said nothing about making sure only sane responsible people are the ones who buy guns. How are we supposed to know who are "the good guys" and who are "the bad guys" with guns? He came across as unhinged and extreme.
Posted - 12/21/2012 12:55:43 PM | show profile | flag this post
register the "mentally ill"
... but not assault rifles.
And of course, even with a "mental health registry" they still have the right to buy any weapons they want, as powerful as they want. And make sure not to close the gun show loophole on background checks.
Militarize elementary schools. Have teachers, carry concealed.
that's rational. not radical at all.
I really don't think Americans know how the rest of the world just looks at this .. and frankly feels sorry for y'all.
Just pure pathetic stupidity and madness.
Posted - 12/21/2012 1:09:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
It took Wayne a week?
To come up with a statement that basically said 'we need more guns'? (And did anyone else notice he never even used the word GUNS? Not once. Never mind 'semi-automatic')
It's not our fault--it's the video games. Movies like 'Natural Born Killers'. It's the media's fault. But not us.
"Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and you've got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization" What the HELL did that mean?? We all need an AR-15 to protect us from the zombies roaming around after the Apocalypse??
Having an armed guard at every school? Ok. I see merit in that. But think about your local lone bank guard. You really think he has a chance against an assault rifle??
I don't think Wayne did himself any favors today, don't think it will change public opinion.
Posted - 12/21/2012 1:23:45 PM | show profile | flag this post
Even Jim Boeheim "man's up"...
Freaking basketball coach of Syracuse ends his news conference following his 900th win saying CT shooting was his fault as well as everyone in the room because we aren't speaking up enough against the crazy. He pointed the finger at himself and I respect that. We all need to write our reps and Senators and tell them to fuck the NRA $$...stop the sale of semi automatic weapons. Period. I am a second amendment supporter. I own a gun. It's a single shot bolt action .22 rifle. If the school shooter had that he may have wounded one child, more than likely no fatalities before the gun would have been wrestled away from him. Case closed. No one needs a gun that fires off hundreds of bullets a minute. If you think you are going to stop a military coup in the U.S. with your little AK-47 good luck. I'll have just as much luck at that point with my .22.
Posted - 12/21/2012 1:57:22 PM | show profile | flag this post
The take-away from Newtown
is that MOST people are calling for stricter mental health screening and reporting, background checks for private firearm sales, etc. They are NOT...as the crazies here are doing...calling for bans on firearms.
That means everyone else is smarter than the left wingers here.
Posted - 12/21/2012 2:06:47 PM | show profile | flag this post
I don't think one person on this board called for a total ban on guns.
but it is good that right wing ideologue went on tv.
now everyone knows the NRA positions, which actually
undermine the cause of responsible gun owners.
Posted - 12/21/2012 2:08:25 PM | show profile | flag this post
No one on here, cruzo...
is calling for a ban on firearms.
But we, and most Americans, are calling on a ban on CERTAIN types of firearms.
The NRA's statement was to blame everything under the sun except the ONE AND ONLY thing that all mass shootings have in common: guns.
Until that is addressed, there will be no solution.
Posted - 12/21/2012 2:58:08 PM | show profile | flag this post
You're not calling for a ban on guns
but you ARE calling for a ban on guns.
That logically fits with the schizoid nature of the left wing.
And that is sad because in my more than six decades of firearms use I have NEVER seen a firearm...regardles of its form factor...shoot anyone. In fact, a firearm cannot do ANYTHING without being under the direct control of a human being.
So do the right thing...give up this wholly uncalled-for attack on firearms and join we sane and rational people in calling for more effective communication between the medical profession and law enforcement, expansion of the National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) system, restrictions on magazines of more than ten rounds and age restrictions on violent media products, including video games.
Posted - 12/21/2012 3:32:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
not a ban on guns.
Just some guns.
There is a huge difference.
For instance, do you cruzo, believe that civilians should be allowed to buy .50 caliber machine guns? What about Vulcan cannons? What about RPGs or rifle grenades?
If you believe that civilians should have fully functioning F-18 Hornets (heck, John Travolta could afford one) then you truly don't believe in banning guns.
But if you believe that any of these should not be owned by civilians -- then YOU fail YOUR OWN test for banning guns.
But you are a good little parrot for the NRA.
Posted - 12/21/2012 3:51:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
ES, don't even pose the question to our resident sociopath. No doubt he hugs and kisses his guns before he goes to bed; he sure doesn't give a crap about other people.
Posted - 12/21/2012 4:36:20 PM | show profile | flag this post
"not a ban on guns...just some guns"
What a hypocrite.
Posted - 12/21/2012 4:42:50 PM | show profile | flag this post
And to further demonstrate your hypocrisy
"do you believe that civilians should be allowed to buy .50 caliber machine guns? What about Vulcan cannons? What about RPGs or rifle grenades?"
This is the kind of exaggerated bullsh*t the radical left resorts to when its hypocritical arguments are shot down (no pun intended).
This is an argument that would be rejected by even the farthest left SANE individual. I'm not going to dignify it.
Posted - 12/21/2012 5:14:58 PM | show profile | flag this post
Just keep burying
that pointed head of yours in the sand. cruise wrote, mocking etaoin:
"And to further demonstrate your hypocrisy" "do you believe that civilians should be allowed to buy .50 caliber machine guns? What about Vulcan cannons? What about RPGs or rifle grenades?"
This is the kind of exaggerated bullsh*t the radical left resorts to when its hypocritical arguments are shot down (no pun intended)."
REALLY NOW?? I googled ".50 caliber machine gun for sale"--You do it. TADA. Mine. For a mere $60G. How about the "Silenced machine gun"? 'Cause those rabbits can hear you coming. The "M60 C&R Model T161 Belt Fed MG .308"....Man, you can wipe a herd of bison with one of those suckers.
One of the NRA Board members is reeeeeally proud of his ".50 caliber sniper rifle after observing a Browning machine gun mounted on a gunboat. This high-powered sniper rifle—available for sale on the civilian market—has an effective range of over a mile and can pierce armor."
A recent gun show in town had "30's Gangster Style Tommy Gun" for sale. Sure beats a Red Ryder under the tree for Christmas. And we already pointed out that CT--home of Sandy Hook and one of the "toughest gun laws" on the books allow a GRENADE LAUNCHER on your AR-15.
Hey etaoin? If you were really interested in some artillery, check out the cannonsuperstore.com They've got some field pieces they boast can be made "fairly easy to make functional".
The point is--cruise lies. It's easy to buy personal weapons of mass destruction legally and on the open market. Part of that "Well Regulated Militia" donchaknow.
Posted - 12/21/2012 5:39:54 PM | show profile | flag this post
Crusty Cruzo will fight to the death to be able to carry his assault, child-killing rifles. Idiots like this showcase a type of mental illness, defiance under any terms, even the innocent deaths of 20 children...(not to mention the people that have been shot to death since last Friday's massacre) don't matter to his reckless need to defend assault weapons that kill innocent human beings.
Cruzo, your argument is as ignorant as it could possibly be, more so than any statements you have ever previously made...you've hit your zenith this time around.
Search your soul Cruzo, ask yourself, why you consistently let your obstinate defiance define you.
Where you ever human?
Posted - 12/21/2012 6:01:44 PM | show profile | flag this post
There is a reason
that loonies, left wingers and liberals are called reactionary. A quick perusal of the previous few posts will bring that into sharp focus.
But no one ever accused these morons of being rational. They are the kinds of people who would join with one of their favorite anti-social organizations...the ACLU...to prevent the release of mental health data to law enforcement and/or the NICS list of persons banned from acquiring firearms.
It's the PRIVACY OF THE INDIVIDUAL, dontchaknow? Nevermind that including nut cases and crazies on the list would have an obvious benefit to all Americans.
Posted - 12/21/2012 7:32:09 PM | show profile | flag this post
Fine. Then Let's compromise
Big bad libruls refuse "the release of mental health data to law enforcement and/or the NICS list of persons banned from acquiring firearms."
You're right. They're wrong. I agree with you. Mental health data SHOULD be released when it comes to a background check before purchasing firearms. There. (AND STILL this has nothing to do with the Sandy Hook massacre, remember???)
Now---you agree with me that any kind of fully auto-matic or semi automatic weapon not designed for HUNTING should be banned. Illegal.
See? You can't do it. You don't mind someones psych records becoming public knowledge--but the very thought of taking away someones precious assault rifle is un-American.
Even met half way, you'll never change.
Posted - 12/21/2012 7:44:29 PM | show profile | flag this post
Let's Round Up People, Not Guns
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
So let's not take away guns, let's take away people.
Eliminating the threat of people, either by killing them, or holding them in confinement is the only way of stopping them from killing other people. Congress just has to find a way to determine which people should be locked up BEFORE they commit mass murder.
Oh, and once you've locked them up, you have to let them have their guns. It's their constitutional right!
Posted - 12/21/2012 8:15:54 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Even met half way"
This is not about scoring points or "getting even," you idiot...it's about solving the problem. And the problem is NOT firearms...it's nuts with firearms.
My lookalike will NEVER kill someone (unless he breaks into my house). And even then I'd probably opt for a handgun, which is much more maneuverable in tight spaces.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to prevent me from owning a lookalike...NONE.
Posted - 12/21/2012 8:19:46 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** Search your soul Cruzo, ask yourself, why you consistently let your obstinate defiance define you.
Where you ever human? ***
It's not defiance. It's sociopathy. The soulless guy would rather hug and kiss his guns than have any feeling for another human being.
Posted - 12/21/2012 8:28:48 PM | show profile | flag this post
"ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to prevent me from owning a lookalike"
Unless you're crazy.
Let's say you did something really off the wall stupid, everyday. Like posting incessantly on some internet message board making the same arguments over and over even though you are repeatedly proven wrong.
Then you should not be able to own a firearm.... Oh! Wait a minute! Forget I sad that. Sorry cruise buddy. My bad.
Posted - 12/21/2012 11:02:24 PM | show profile | flag this post
I was thinking the same thing cruster
"And the problem is NOT firearms...it's nuts with firearms."
And CRUISE posted that. The most insane nut I've ever run into on a message/bulletin board. Doesn't even use his weapons--but he'll kill you if you even think about touching them.
Yea. Just what the Founding Fathers meant whe nthey wrote a "Well Regulated Militia".
Posted - 12/22/2012 5:36:07 AM | show profile | flag this post
The stupidity of the "mental health" argument.
Lets just stop this nonsense that mass killers MUST be mentally ill.
I know it makes all us feel better because it makes the tragedy make sense.
But there's no stats to back up the BS that gun crimes are more likely to be committed by mentally ill than "healthy"
And the real supidity is the logic that follows : the NRA thinks it makes more sense (and law enforcement would benefit more) from doctors and hospitals releasing health record of some depressed postpartum mom, than to record who buys an assault rifle with extended mags and cop killer bullets. (Except at gun shows, which should be exempt!)
Americas health system (including the VA) can't even get a grip on mental health for treatment purposes, much less some silly NRA idea... Although conservative would love to burden the system with more bureaucratic costs ... Let the taxpayers and premiums pay for it. (As opposed to user -pay gun ownership).
Maybe the next step is taking church attendance rolls so we can screen for "evil". ... Cause, ya know, good Christians with christian Gods in their schools, don't kill.
Like mcVeigh and this homeschooled shooter....
Posted - 12/22/2012 9:56:19 AM | show profile | flag this post
More on the stupidity of the mental health argument...
The shooter was mentally ill. He got the guns from his mother who bought them legally. If guns are lying around everywhere, that isn't going to stop people who shouldn't have them from gaining access.
Posted - 12/22/2012 10:13:07 AM | show profile | flag this post
My apologies if someone else has said this in the thread
...but how's that smaller government thing workin' out for some of you folks. I don't know how many tens of thousands of elementary and middle schools there are in the US, but that's a measurable increase in government, as well as expen$e.
Posted - 12/22/2012 12:31:35 PM | show profile | flag this post
Lets not talk about that tex....
... kids like this shooter didn't slip through the cracks. everyone knew he was a bit different. A challenge. He wasn't ignored and let to get by quietly. I'm sure many counsellors and teachers were available to give his mom a call, and say: What's up, do you need help? When he apparently dropped out, I'm sure there was tons of followup and education support.
Sure, we gotta cut all sort of programs to get taxes down: guidance, arts, music, lunch, science ... anything but football.
And obviously the real problems are teachers .. leechers, unions and their entitlements.
That's why we need to fire them all.
So America becomes stronger.
Once child at a time.
if they survive.