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The biggest and most egregious
Posted - 1/8/2013 8:41:04 PM | show profile | flag this post
lie left wingers tell:
Gun control will keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
Posted - 1/8/2013 8:47:49 PM | show profile | flag this post
I never said that.
Don't remember anyone else here ever saying that.
Seems to me that the 'The biggest and most egregious lie' ever printed here was that you were a thinking conservative.
Posted - 1/8/2013 9:20:26 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Don't remember anyone else here ever saying that"
Look at the 32nd post in the thread entitled "Gun Control: Assault Rifle Marketing?"
But this is a phrase I've been hearing from liberals for decades. Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals is the most often cited justification by the left wing for gun control and confiscation.
If you're not aware of all this you are nowhere near the professional journalist you make yourself out to be.
Remember...the NRA says when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
Posted - 1/8/2013 10:06:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
"Look at the 32nd post in the thread.." It was from cruster you moron. He's known for satirizing YOU. We all realized that a long time ago. If you're too dense to grasp that then you're not the genius you make yourself out to be.
Posted - 1/8/2013 10:32:01 PM | show profile | flag this post
The FACT is it WAS SAID...here on this forum...
despite your claim that it was not.
But more to the point: gun control is one of the top priorities on the left wing agenda and "keeping guns out of the hands of criminals" is one of the most often cited justifications...even though it defies simple logic. To reiterate: when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.
No amount of your frenetic arm waving and attempts to muddy the waters will change that.
Posted - 1/8/2013 10:56:59 PM | show profile | flag this post
*** I never said that.
Don't remember anyone else here ever saying that.
Seems to me that the 'The biggest and most egregious lie' ever printed here was that you were a thinking conservative. ***
The voices in cruiser's head said it -- the ones that don't allow him to think or discuss, only to name-call and make pronouncements in order to bait arguments. MP, don't enable the pitiful little man; he's ill.
Posted - 1/8/2013 11:00:32 PM | show profile | flag this post
MP, you forget that people with cruiser's condition aren't able to have a sense of humor.
Posted - 1/9/2013 7:09:55 AM | show profile | flag this post
It won't in america ..
.. because your country is flooded with more unregistered weapons than somalia.
illegal sales are no problem. its easier to buy an illegal gun than and legal automobile.
If you're a felon, or crazy, or a kid and want to buy it legally ... just go to a gun show. No background check. No questions asked. (oh, sure maybe an "ethical" seller will say no. then go to the other table ... show 'em your NRA card!)
In civilized nations, it is another matter.
The main source of weapons used in Mexican criminal activity, including the deadly drug wars, is America.
In Canada all buyers require mandatory background checks, for each purchase; anyone in possession must have a firearms licence (meaning they have passed safety training, usually supervised by a law enforcement officer .. another check for "crazies"). All weapons (except for for legitimate hunting long guns) are registered. That includes all handguns. Assault rifles are banned.
So that gives the RCMP a pretty good idea of where Canadian criminals get their weapons, when they are seized.
They have the data. they have the facts. They've done the studies..
The vast majority of firearms used in criminal acts in Canada .. 80+% .. come from America; illegally smuggled..
that is the fact.
Canada's gun control law keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
America puts guns in criminals' hand.
And those guns kill innocent kids and destroy families.
Posted - 1/9/2013 9:14:35 AM | show profile | flag this post
Most tired line...
in politics. Cruzo repeated it: "The NRA says when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns."
Gee, cruzo. You can say that about ANY law.
"When bank robbery is outlawed, only outlaws will rob banks."
"When jaywalking is outlawed, only outlaws will jaywalk."
"When heroin is outlawed, only outlaws will use heroin."
Yes, cruzo, we get it. When something is illegal, all those people who do it, buy it or use it are breaking the law.
That is why I've never heard anyone say or believe that outlawing specific types of guns will keep guns out of the hands of lawbreakers.
But, just like using a gun makes it easier to kill people, making it harder to get a gun makes it harder for criminals to get guns.
Otherwise, maybe we should just eliminate ALL laws and let everyone fend for himself -- since that is the only way to keep people from breaking any laws.
Posted - 1/9/2013 11:56:33 AM | show profile | flag this post
another lie leftist tell us is that strict gun laws prevent mass shootings and lower crime rates.
leftwingers- soft on criminals, hard on law abiding gun owners.
Posted - 1/9/2013 11:57:04 AM | show profile | flag this post
We Can Never Admit This!
We must call this a lie! True, gun control keeps guns out of the hands of criminals in other countries, but we must never even give it a chance here.
We must call this an egregious lie as Rush, Hannity and Beck instruct us to think.
THE most important thing is a liberal loss. To deny lefties, as we define them, any suggestion of progress.
Even if it costs innocent lives.
Posted - 1/9/2013 12:28:52 PM | show profile | flag this post
"The main source of weapons used in Mexican criminal activity, including the deadly drug wars, is America."
"The vast majority of firearms used in criminal acts in Canada .. 80+% .. come from America; illegally smuggled.. "
in one of your long, yet never backed up with facts post- you forget the word "tested".
most of the weapons used in the mexican gang wars/murders- are given/sold to the mexican government by the u.s. government.
"gun control keeps guns out of the hands of criminals in other countries, but we must never even give it a chance here."
killia, americans have given gun control a chance- for forty years. studies show little to no impact.
know what does work? a strong mental health system and prisons.
leftwingers- soft on criminals-hard on law abiding gun owners.
Posted - 1/9/2013 12:44:33 PM | show profile | flag this post
Most guns used in crime in North America DO come from the good ol' U-S-of-A! Just another way we export freedom.
Sure anti-gun lefties have for years argued that gun manufacturers make massive amounts of cheap weapons they know have no value in the legitimate market that are sold in huge quantities at gun shows then passed on to the criminal market in ostensibly legal private sales before being sold illegally to individual criminals. But that's the ATF talking, you can't trust them.
We need more guns! We like guns. And we want to see the left fail. Human lives are of no concern. Haven't you libs been paying attention?
Posted - 1/9/2013 12:54:34 PM | show profile | flag this post
I know, huh? Heaven knows why Mexicans don't stick with their country's one obscure firearms manufacturer, which also happens to make hole punchers for documents.
Posted - 1/9/2013 2:23:03 PM | show profile | flag this post
"The data that are available show that the majority of traced handguns recovered from Canadian crime scenes originate in US.
The rate of gun homicide in Canada is statistically low and falling, yet public perception is that gun crime is rising. When Toronto, a city with 2.8 million people hit 52 gun homicides in 2005, it became "the year of the gun" in spite of the fact that the city had one of the lowest murder rates on the continent for a city of its size. Rates of homicide with guns are 6.7 times higher in the US than in Canada, and the US has 5.1 times Canada's rate per 100,000 of gun robberies.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news168072061.html#jCp
Canada gun control works. Crime, including gun murders, is dropping.
The gun grime that do occur, use (by a majority) illegal US guns.
Same in Australia after their mass killing. And in the UK.
Gee, America really is exceptional!
Posted - 1/9/2013 2:43:10 PM | show profile | flag this post
"most of the weapons used in the mexican gang wars/murders- are given/sold to the mexican government by the u.s. government"
REALLY? Where'd you find that one?? We have known for years that the vast majority of those mexican guns came from US...as in the U.S. GAO Report: FIREARMS TRAFFICKING:
Page 3: "While it is impossible to know how many firearms are illegally trafficked into Mexico in a given year, around 87 percent of firearms seized by Mexican authorities and traced over the past 5 years originated in the United States, according to data from ATF. Around 68 percent of these firearms were manufactured in the United States, and around 19 percent were manufactured in third countries and imported into the United States before being trafficked into Mexico."
So WE are the problem here. page 20: "Most of the firearms seized in Mexico and successfully traced come from gun shops and pawn shops, according to ATF gun trace data" There's a map for the reading impaired.
Old, old line, and still apropos; "We have met the enemy and he is us"
Posted - 1/9/2013 3:16:21 PM | show profile | flag this post
"We have met the enemy and he is us"
the enemy uses a study that has been debunked years ago.
"Canada gun control works.'
why all the illegal guns?
"Crime, including gun murders, is dropping."
just like here in america. so why are libs pushing to take away the rights of law abiding americans?
Posted - 1/9/2013 3:40:20 PM | show profile | flag this post
Don't think so.
Of course, you say that about every fact you disagree with.
Posted - 1/9/2013 5:18:08 PM | show profile | flag this post
Bringing up Mexico
is like the worst, dumbest, most conspiracy crazy thing any gun nut can do. "most of the weapons used in the mexican gang wars/murders- are given/sold to the mexican government by the u.s. government." Really? We did that?? And you heard that where?? An MIB comic book??
Most of those guns come from US dealers along the border. That's a fact and we know it. (The GAO is not part of a UN conspiracy).
We also know that the US has far more gun deaths than any other civilized country out there. In a single year guns killed 17 in Finland, 35 in Australia, 39 in Britain, 60 in Spain, 194 in Germany, 200 in Canada and 9,484 in the United States. Are we just crazier than those people?? Or perhaps we have bad gun laws? (And yes, we've all seen it, other countries have the same violent movies we have and many play more video games than we do, so much for that).
Just Canada: Rate of Homicide with Firearms 0.49 per 100,000 In the US it's 2.85 per 100,000 Lemme guess; the snow is just obscuring their vision.
We average 87 gun deaths a DAY. If you want to believe that gun violence is up because we took 'God' out of the classroom (ala Huckabee) ; I suggest you pray on that one.
"americans have given gun control a chance- for forty years. studies show little to no impact". Bullsh*t. Remember the 'Movie Theatre shooting'?? The suspect, James E. Holmes, bought a semiautomatic assault rifle, two semiautomatic pistols and a 12-gauge shotgun at stores in Colorado and 6,000 rounds of ammunition online along with a 100-round magazine. He did so after easily obtaining a permit at a gun store, since he had no criminal record.
In California and Massachusetts, most assault rifles and large-capacity ammunition magazines are banned, as they were across the country from 1994 to 2004 by federal law" And if Mr. Holmes had tried to buy his guns in New Jersey, he would have had to apply to local law enforcement agencies or the state police — not to a gun shop — and answer questions about personal history, including whether he had ever been “observed by a psychiatrist” for “a mental condition,” even a temporary one, and to waive all confidentiality. His behavior, which some have described as erratic in recent months, might have raised concern."
What states have seen these mass shootings?? The ones with loose laws maybe??
Stop making stuff up please. The facts ar depressing enough.
Posted - 1/10/2013 2:04:42 AM | show profile | flag this post
"Are we just crazier than those people?? Or perhaps
we have bad gun laws?"
Or perhaps it's the FACT that we have an orders-of-magnitude larger population than any of those countries.
Your argument is dishonest...as are you and the rest of the radical left wing anti-firearms zealots.
Posted - 1/10/2013 8:37:17 AM | show profile | flag this post
... the "expert" who argues government isnt part of GDP, weather is the same as climate, and AR-15s are hunting rifles**
...doesnt understand the concept of per capita.
see those number "per 100,000". That is per capita. It accounts for population. Oranges to oranges comparison.
but, of course, ever since Romney lost we all know math and statistics are a liberal lie.
here another one, justreleased from "a 378-page study by a panel of experts convened by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council ..
"The rate of firearm homicides was 20 times higher in the United States than in the other countries, according to the report, which cited a 2011 study of 23 countries. And though suicide rates were lower in the United States, firearm suicide rates were six times higher.
Sixty-nine percent of all American homicide deaths in 2007 involved firearms, compared with an average of 26 percent in other countries, the study said"
Of course guns don't kill people.
**of course assault rifles aren't an issue according to our "expert". That why fools like Gen. (ret.) Standley McCrystal .. who knows nothing about the military and arms .. states:
"I spent a career carrying typically either an M16 or an M4 Carbine. An M4 Carbine fires a .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm at about 3000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed for that," McChrystal explained. "That’s what our soldiers ought to carry. I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America."
What a crazy person .. "designed for that"
Posted - 1/10/2013 9:18:01 AM | show profile | flag this post
Despite the larger population, cruzo...
our violent crime and gun death RATES are higher than other countries with stricter gun control laws.
Posted - 1/10/2013 10:21:05 AM | show profile | flag this post
yes the study has been debunked- which is why obama, clinton, and the atf had to distance themselves from it when their lies were exposed.
liberals use false and misleading data to back up their illegal gun claims- because their arguments lack fact or logic.
the left will call sandy hook victims "little martyrs"- smear their blood all over themselves and do a braveheart against those who they disagree with.
the left defended obama on fast and furious. which makes their anti-gun rants nothing more than political. not about innocent lives.
"What states have seen these mass shootings?? The ones with loose laws maybe??"
california leads the nation in mass shootings. new york is 3rd on the list. 6 blue states with strict gun laws rank in the top 10.
with the liberal media pushing gun control- does anyone remember pearl high school massacre?
oh that's right. that was a mass shooting that didn't happen because a principal was armed.
"Bringing up Mexico
is like the worst, dumbest, most conspiracy crazy thing any gun nut can do."
i agree. i don't understand why cdnreprtr would do that.
Posted - 1/10/2013 10:48:08 AM | show profile | flag this post
*** california leads the nation in mass shootings. ***
How odd that it's not on record. I guess "they've" been keeping them a secret for the 23 years I've lived here.
Poor con. You try so hard.
Posted - 1/10/2013 10:53:48 AM | show profile | flag this post
FWIW, the Pearl High School shootings went differently from how you've stated it here, con. Yes, "shootings," because multiple people were killed and wounded.
For your beloved Wikipedia, which provides footnotes to the source material (you can find Wikipedia at www.wikipedia.com):
"The incident began on the morning of October 1, 1997, when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.
"Woodham drove his mother's car to Pearl High School. Wearing a trench coat, to hide his rifle when he entered the school, Woodham fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School's assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others.
"The school's assistant principal, Joel Myrick, retrieved a .45 caliber semi-automatic pistol from his truck and, spotting him near the parking lot, shouted for Woodham to stop. Woodham instead got into his mother's car and tried to escape. Myrick, a U.S. Army Reserve commander, detained Woodham until authorities arrived."
Poor little con. Well, you tried.
BTW, your screen name is very appropriate for what you do.